What is the most popular 2257 database solution for organizing 2257 records?
I am looking into:
Members Area Management Systems MP2257 Module for MAS
2257ok.com's record keeping management solution
YTraker
2257 Lite Record Keeping software (free)
Cost isn't really the issue, I want the best/easiest program that will help me achieve compliance.
If anybody has any other suggestions please send them my way.
Thanks,
BW
Wow, I have a lot to learn.
I thought a safe deposit box was the only way to really keep 2257 docs. I thought the FBI wants hard copy papers and ink signatures, not electronic docs?
They require an electronic database that is cross-referenced with the model ID, aliases, every single url on which the model appears and other things. The failsafe is to have hard copies of the records. But that is not enough in itself.
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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Are you fucking serious????? How come nobody has told me this???? I need to know every single URL that one of my models appears in? Or is that just over the top stuff that people do to cover all tracks?
Please tell me I am safe with just having the hard copies on file, and the electronic copies with every set of content photos sold.
Of particular interest... section e, paragraph 1
http://www.freespeechonline.org/webdocs/22572006.pdf
Jim is correct, although I don't think that the cross-reference you must keep doesn't have to be in electronic form. It could be paper. Whatever makes sense to you. Although it had better make sense to the FBI, too. But as far as websites are concerned, yes you have to cross reference your models to every depiction of them, plus you have to keep a copy of that image and a copy of the page it's on.
Thanks for clarifying Steven. I just think it would be amazingly difficult to maintain such a large volume of documents without an electronic database... especially with all of the url's involved.
My understanding is that a database is not *required*, but as several have said here, it would be very difficult to maintain the records in paper form... you would have to have a separate folder for each model, and for each scene the model is in, a cross-reference by model's real name to model's stage name (and any other stage names or legal names you're aware of that the model has used), with copies of the ID and the dates of production of the content.
Then, for websites, you would need a folder with a reference to each URL where a scene, photo, or depiction is used, and that, too, would have to be cross-referenced to model name, stage name, etc., as well as having a copy of all the IDs.
Contrary to the common belief of those who haven't looked carefully, 2257 makes no references whatsoever to model releases, but it does make clear that it is a violation of the regulations to keep non-2257 documents in the same place as 2257 documents, and violations are subject to jail time. So some attorneys have said that simply having model releases in the same folder as copies of identification documents would be a 2257 violation that could subject the custodian to jail time.
Rimmates, my understanding is that if you are only a content producer and do not display your content on a website or produce DVDs or otherwise publish any sexually explicit content, then you still need to keep the cross-references between models, scenes, model IDs, stage names, etc. But you do not have to keep the cross-referenced records of URLs that, for example, a website that bought your content is displaying the content on. However, the website displaying the bought content *would* have to keep the crossreferenced URLs in their records.
If you don't know the details of 2257 very clearly (clearly enough that you're willing to risk jail time if you're wrong) then I'd highly recommend getting a consultation with an experienced adult industry attorney. If (as I hear some people say) you can't afford a consultation with an attorney on this issue, then keep in mind you definitely can't afford to defend a criminal action for improper recordkeeping, so you should either scrape together the money for the consultation or seriously consider a different line of work. Not trying to be hurtful, just trying to save you some grief in the long run.
Rimmates.com - there was a REALLY big deal made about this for months. sigs have nothing to do with 2257 - you need copies, either on paper or electronic, for i.d. for every model in every piece of content. they must be cross referenced by name, url and probably title of content. the pics on the i.d. must be clear and easily recognizeable as the model in question.
you must use an address and your name or the custodian's on all content and law enforcement must be able to find you there during business hours or during a minimum of 20 hours per week that you list on your sites and content. and the custodian must remain the custodian for a period of 5 years per the old regs and 7 per the new ones.
if you don't do and have these things, you are looking at 5 years per item. what i have written above is a result of talking to more than one attorney.
talk to a lawyer - not a general attorney or your personal attorney; an adult industry attorney. most will let you pay by money order or credit card for a phone consultation. and keep in mind that without perfect records and perfect availability, you could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in defense fees beside the possibility of jail time.
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Originally Posted by Rimmates.com
Also, though I'm sure none of you are doing this be very careful about storing your docs online in folders with the content itself.
One story I heard was of someone using a standard run of the mill 'site raper' online for about $20 that runs thru your members areas collecting images..also collecting the 2257 info & releases on all his models.
Just thought I'd throw that out there in case anyone hadn't thought about it.
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Yikes, scary on 3 levels... privacy law violation if you're in California, 2257 violation, and extremely poor web server administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmpitLover
So this means I either need access to the members area of a site that purchased my content, or they must email or send that info to me? Are people really doing this?Quote:
Originally Posted by citiboyz
I know brokers give the producer a list of the "home pages" url's that are licensed to display the images, but that's just the main page. How do I get a copy of the page that the model is displayed on? That seems like its going too far.
Check this out. It is a very good guide to 2257 that was handed out at Internext.
http://www.lipsitzgreen.com/pdfs/The_2257_Handbook.pdf
Regarding your original question, I use YTracker and love it. They have been very helpful to me.
No, you're not responsible for sites that are not under your control. But you must provide them with the 2257 info so that they can comply with the law. The law only applies to sites that you operate yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rimmates.com
Ok, that makes sense. Even the revised 2006 wording of the 2257 doc needs to be revised!
i was under the impression, and have heard this from several webmasters, that as per the newer 2257 regs u.s. webmasters do need a list of all urls their content appears on. this wasn't an issue that concerned me so i don't recall the details... maybe chad will appear and help us out...
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Originally Posted by citiboyz
For their own websites, yes. That took effect 6/23/05.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Yikes! This get's confusing when you are discussing content producers and webmasters. Not everything applies to both groups.
And unfortunately the language in 2257 (particularly 2257A and 4472), since they've eliminated the definitions of "primary" and "secondary" producers, makes it that much *less* clear for people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Back in May '05 when they were published, AJ and I were trying to decipher the regulations that were to go into effect on 6/23/05. We also looked at other regulations that were on the pages of the Federal Register before and after the 2257 regs. The other stuff was concisely written, easily understood. The 2257 stuff was Byzantine, confused, and convoluted. It would be interesting to know whether it was just thrown together by a staffer carelessly and in a hurry, or if someone intentionally tried to make them a piece of shit.
Well, does anyone have insight into these programs? Ytracker.com looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWBW
By the way, how often are 2257 inspections done? It seems like one inspection article a week comes out of the Xbiz information web, but I'm sure that's only the big stories being reported. Are these things happening by the hundreds per year, or is it more or less?
I've been trying to figure the odds of being audited for 2257 record keeping violations. I guess the biggest factor is the age of models - or does that not even matter anymore?
I'd say 1 in 3,000 chance per year if you use older models, and about 1 in 200 if you use very young 18+ modles. Does that sound reasonable or I am just saying that so that I get 1 post closer to the 175,000th post? :bandana:
Like I said earlier, I use YTracker and it is awesome. It is the easiest, user freindly software I have found. It keeps track of everything for you, and is amazing. ESPECIALLY at such a low price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
They've just started, so i don't think anyone knows what the frequency will eventually be. And as far as I know, they have only been inspecting companies that are primarily video/DVD producers. They may have a web presence but that is not their primary business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rimmates.com
Lol, i missed that in this thread... things got a little muddled. Does ytracker lack any features that you need? Can it accept an unlimited number of url's per model?Quote:
Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios
I haven't checked out ytracker in detail, but when we were looking at solutions some time ago when we were switching from our Access database to what we have now, I couldn't find *anything* that (in our opinion) adequately tracked what we call "assemblies"... for example, if you have a tour page composed of 12 images from 5 different sets with a total of 16 models, you need to be able to track back to each individual model, each individual source image you used to create the tour page, and the date of production of each source image, as well as the date of production of the assembly itself, and copies of all of the source depictions (plus, of course, the model ID info, etc.)
None of the commercial applications I saw adequately handled that problem. We ended up developing our own custom application. It's web-based, written in PHP and MySQL, but the database can be stored on a secure web server (accessible from anywhere with authentication) or stored on a local machine that's otherwise empty, in case the web connection is down. The admin nterface is too funky at the moment for us to be able to resell it to other webmasters , but we may at some point clean it up and make it available.
I would love to know if anyone has found an application that handles assemblies properly. There must be one out there (or maybe ytracker has been upgraded to support assemblies) but if so, I haven't found it yet.
I guess I should ask what is everyone else using?
MAS MP 2257
YTracker
Cool Content 2257 Lite
2257ok
Excel
In house built Access db
I want to do MAS but I am having trouble justifying the cost.
if you feel that MAS has the best 2257 solution for you, why would you need to justify the cost? isn't staying out of jail a strong justification?
btw, as a CMS, MAS rocks!
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Originally Posted by BWBW
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Originally Posted by basschick
Well said...well said.
if you feel that MAS has the best 2257 solution for you, why would you need to justify the cost? isn't staying out of jail a strong justification?
btw, as a CMS, MAS rocks!
and incidentally - i hope everyone who gets an off the shelf 2257 solution runs all its functions by their lawyers! just because someone makes a product or someone else uses it doesn't mean that the DOJ will find it legal.
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Originally Posted by BWBW