Hi everyone, newbie here

Hi, just wanted to introduce myself. I am sick of working for someone else, so want to apply my internet and web skills (marketing, development) from my 9-5 job and take a stab in this biz so one day I can be my own boss. And as a gay guy, I've certainly done plenty of "online research" over the years...

Anyway, I've been doing a lot of reading on here and other boards, trying to figure out the best place to start. What I'm gathering is that the AEN/AVS route is a good way to start. Thoughts?

I would appreciate feedback or ideas from anyone willing to share, as well as good resources. I've bought some content from OUnique, and was glad to see the good things people have said about them here.

Thanks,
Ryan
ICQ: 227935197

Ryan,

Welcome to the community first of all :)

To answer your question, the best place to start is wherever you feel comfortable starting in the audlt industry, you may find that the AEN/AVS route is not for you and move on to TGP'ing or free site building or even search engine traffic only to build up your sales base and, without meaning to discourage you from the word go, it will most likely take you between 3 and 6 months to start making serious money from our industry.

That said, because the adult industry changes regularly you might like to start off building more than one type of site for example, you mentioned you were considering starting in the AVS/AEN field well, why not try that and, for every site you build for the AVS/AEN mirror it across several AVS/AEN systems as well as making entry pages for free sites and links lists (theres an article in the GWW directory somewhere about this method) by doing this, you utilize all the content you can to make the maximum amount of sites possible and, after a month or two you can see what type of sites are getting you the most traffic and, ultimately, the most money for the work you have put in.

Anyway whichever route you decide to take i look forward to seeing you become a regular poster on our community forums.

Regards,

Lee

Thanks, Lee! In addition to my 9-5 job, I do a fair amount of web development and consulting on the side. So, my goal is that in maybe a year that I can ditch the 9-5 job and get my income from my consulting and adult sites.

I read through the articles directory, and read many helpful artiles. I couldn't find the one you mentioned though. I did have a question about TGPs though -- How do the people who run a TGP make money? I saw the link to cumsoda.com. From what it looks like, some of the photos link to other sites, and then some are affiliate links to sites that are paying the TGP owner for clicks? And, the people who are posting their galleries are hoping to drive traffic to their own pay sites, or to an AEN sign-up? Just want to make sure I'm getting this :-)

You mentioned making mirrors of a site for multiple AENs -- should you just sign up with multiples, and have links on the site for each (such as http://www.male-erotika.com/tmearch/open1.html ), or do you mean to create three sites with the same content, one for each AEN? (It seems like that would be a lot of work to promote three sites with the same content, but maybe I'm missing something?)

Thanks again for the warm welcome. :-)

Ryan

Welcome to the board Turbo!

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I couldn't find the one you mentioned though.

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Ill dig it out for you shortly then :groovy:

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I did have a question about TGPs though -- How do the people who run a TGP make money? I saw the link to cumsoda.com. From what it looks like, some of the photos link to other sites, and then some are affiliate links to sites that are paying the TGP owner for clicks? And, the people who are posting their galleries are hoping to drive traffic to their own pay sites, or to an AEN sign-up? Just want to make sure I'm getting this :-)

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Okay looking at this from a submitters (webmasters who send me galleries to Cumsoda) point of view first of all it works like this (in simple terms)...

You submit a gallery to Cum Soda.. I then list that gallery on the front page and archives if requested, once the gallery is listed you get visitors who have Cum Soda bookmarked clicking on your gallery and, hopefully, from your gallery they click through to your sponsors site whether that be a paysite, penis enlargement product, AEN or whatever, the traffic going to your gallery is what you are after and making the surfer click thru to your sponsor is what you are after with the ultimate goal of making a sale.

Now from a TGP owners point of view...

I get webmasters to submit galleries to Cum Soda, in return i list them and get surfers to the main site, once they are on the site i need to try and get them to visit either my galleries before your own or, need to get them to visit my sponsor to make me money but, by making sure that most of the traffic going to Cum Soda is sent to the submitters galleries you keep submitting to me and i keep getting fresh content on the site daily which, in turn means that surfers keep visiting the site and i get another chance to sell to them from the main page as you do by them visiting your gallery again.

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You mentioned making mirrors of a site for multiple AENs -- should you just sign up with multiples, and have links on the site for each (such as http://www.male-erotika.com/tmearch/open1.html ), or do you mean to create three sites with the same content, one for each AEN? (It seems like that would be a lot of work to promote three sites with the same content, but maybe I'm missing something?)

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Again i have an article online somewhere ill post a link to for you which explains it a whole lot better than a short reply could so leave it with me and ill dig it out for you :)

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Thanks again for the warm welcome.

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Not a problem :)

Regards,

Lee

Hey Turbo,

Welcome to the industry and welcome to the coolest board around. :)

Welcome Turbo!

some good advice....listen to Lee. actually, there are a great number of wise, ethical business people who frequent this board. that's one of the reasons i like it here so much. plus, we get to be bitchy and hot and sexy whenever we want to here, without it being mistaken for something else! :bandana:

best of luck to you and please let me know if there's ever anything i can help you with. i'm not on the technical end but have good experience with content production/sales...customer service (webmaster and end-user)...talent management, business development, billing and on-line marketing. (like my mini-resume?)

hope to do business with you soon. if you decide to sell anything on-line, let me know. i have a brand new billing option that's great for first time webmasters.

Wow! We get to be bitchy and hot and sexy??? Cool!

LOL, just kidding around 123Jason, but you did hit the nail on the head. :)

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Originally posted by Ounique
Wow! We get to be bitchy and hot and sexy??? Cool!

LOL, just kidding around 123Jason, but you did hit the nail on the head. :)

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Nail? Who are we going to nail... I get first dibs if it's Lee or Scorpio or Don or anyone else for that matter! :smarmy: :groovy:

Welcome Turbo!!!

I think we're a good bunch here! We may piss each other off sometimes, get raunchy and naughty, have a laugh, discuss good business and even life... but there is one thing I hope everyone knows for sure... Everyone is considered family here.

Looking forward to seeing you around a lot.

My Best,
Gary-Alan

Thanks for all the welcome messages - I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy inside ;-) I'm really excited to learn more about this business and from your combined experience! I'll be sure to post a link when I get my first site done so you can give me your feedback.

Ryan

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Nail? Who are we going to nail... I get first dibs if it's Lee or Scorpio or Don or anyone else for that matter! :smarmy: :groovy:

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Tease! :p

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Tease! :p

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Yep that's me ;)

Hugs, Don!

GA

LOL Well it looks like the guys have said welcome in their ::ahem:: "usual fashion" ... and that's without even seeing your pic yet!

Anyway... stick around, they're mostly harmless

Hey Bec!

Now if we can't have little fun here, of all places, where can we have it? hehehehehehehehe

Hugs,
GA

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Originally posted by LdyLnWolf1
LOL Well it looks like the guys have said welcome in their ::ahem:: "usual fashion" ... and that's without even seeing your pic yet!

Anyway... stick around, they're mostly harmless

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Thanks, Bec I'll have to see what I can get out of them before I show my pic. :)

Ryan

PS - Love your quote!

:: I'll have to see what I can get out of them before I show my pic. :) ::

LMAO ... you're going to do just fine here Ryan :groovy:

Welcome to the board, Turbo!

I'm an AVS/AEN webmaster and in my opinion AVS is a great way to start. Mirroring sites (and yes, it's best to have separate sites for each AVS that you are submitting to) is definately the best way to find which AVS works for you. I have the best luck with UGAS and DeluxePass... I make a few sales with Mancheck and ProAdult also.

The real money in AVS, imo, is building and promoting Premium/Platinum sites. Make a few Platinum sites in varying niches, use extra fresh content, use a lot of movies if you can and update the sites frequently. Essentially, make them mini-paysites.

Then continue to build regular (aka. feeder sites) AVS sites and send the traffic (UGAS seems to send the most) to your hub site(s). Feature your Premium sites on your hub pages and upsell you Premium sites within your regular AVS sites.

*** NOTE: Many AVS's require no links to other AVS's, so your hub sites may need to be completely independent of each other. EXAMPLE: Don't send traffic from a UGAS site to your Mancheck hub site.

And PLEASE don't make crap sites with zero artistic merit! I believe that AVS/AEN is being killed by webmasters who build bulk sites (some build dozens a day) with boring over-used content. Please apply a little design sense to your tours. If you take a look at what is being listed on AVS's, you would swear that most sites were designed by 2 year olds with NO budget!!

Thanks, XStr8Guy!

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The real money in AVS, imo, is building and promoting Premium/Platinum sites. Make a few Platinum sites in varying niches, use extra fresh content, use a lot of movies if you can and update the sites frequently. Essentially, make them mini-paysites.

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Could you point me to some some sites that have done this well? As I understand it, I would not be charging for these sites, but that the UGAS-type members pay extra money to them for access to the premium sites?

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And PLEASE don't make crap sites with zero artistic merit! I believe that AVS/AEN is being killed by webmasters who build bulk sites (some build dozens a day) with boring over-used content. Please apply a little design sense to your tours. If you take a look at what is being listed on AVS's, you would swear that most sites were designed by 2 year olds with NO budget!! [/B]

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I agree with you 100%. Doing some google searching etc, I came across so many sites in the niches I am looking at that look like what people were doing in 1992!

I am not sure what the practice is here so I won't post a link to a site under development, but if you or anyone else wants me to send you a link, just ICQ or email me. I welcome the feedback and advice!

Ryan

Turbo,

I'm sending you a pm through this board.

Ryan, I have not officially welcomed you on this board yet...so welcome aboard and if you still have further questions I know we are all pretty good about helping out around here.


cheers,

Luke

Hey there Turbo, and welcome.

It was nice to see you say "in a year." So many people come to porn all stary-eyed, thinking that they're going to make a fortune while doing next to nothing.

I started my sites in April 2003 after I lost my job. I've learned a heap, but the most important thing was that it takes a whole lot of time, work and effort to make this a success.

I think the AVS route is a good place to start. You can make reasonable money and you don't have to pour a lot of money into programming a paysite.

The other advantage to running an AVS-based site is that you don't have to worry about dealing with the customer service e-mail from the visitors. I like that a lot because it allows me to design sites, which is what I like to do. I don't want to spent all day helping people remember their passwords or answer their silly questions.

Buy your content; don't steal it. It's honest, it'll bring you less heart-ache, and in the end, I think it'll bring you more money.

Don't bullshit your visitors. Don't throw up a couple of hairy circuit boys and call it a bear site.

Good luck,
Dzinerbear

Turbo, just sent you a private message. Check your PMs.
Dzinerbear

Thanks for the welcome, Dzinebear. I've sent you one as well.

Well, I'm always the last person at the party. Welcome RYAN! You've found a very interesting group of people here. Smart, funny, some cute, some not so cute. lol Best thing of all is that most of them will help with knowledge, advice, ect.

If you ever want to chat about ideas, want some content, or anything let me know. I'm always willing to help. =o)

ICQ: 173294127
AIM: gaywhiteboy69

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some cute, some not so cute

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Hey ... I thought my pic of me on Santa's lap had me looking totally adorable!!:groovy:

:: sigh:: guess there's no pleasing some men ...

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Hey ... I thought my pic of me on Santa's lap had me looking totally adorable!!:groovy:

:: sigh:: guess there's no pleasing some men ...

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I wanna see... i wanna see!!!!! :)

Andy :) you're always so generous :) :)

Ah, you were sick and probably missed that post

Me and Santa

That's my younger brother with me ...I'm the one with the longer hair ::big grin::

hahaha cute picture! :)

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Andy :) you're always so generous :) :)

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Well, you know me. Always have to welcome the folks right ya know

lol expecially if they might be cute. ;)

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Originally posted by andymike
You've found a very interesting group of people here. Smart, funny, some cute, some not so cute.

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...and by "some cute", you mean me? Right? RIGHT?!?!!! :whip: