(potentially?) controversial topic - Sponsors vs Affiliates

[marcjacob]

They dont get paid the same, they get paid the same %. Theres a difference. They get what they put in, the more they work the more they make. I think that if you offered this sliding scale youd loose alot of affiliates and fail to attract new ones. The big boys probably dont want to pay $40 per sign up, they have to if they are going to remain competetive.

That said we'd all prefer 40% with kick ass ratios and rentention than 60% programs that dont sell and dont retain.

I think my sales are worth 50%. They wouldnt get my customers if i didnt send them and for that you have to pay. If the sponsors dont like that then get your own customers and dont run a program.

[Lee]

I think my sales are worth 50%. They wouldnt get my customers if i didnt send them and for that you have to pay. If the sponsors dont like that then get your own customers and dont run a program.

You also wouldnt make any money.

What would happen is EVERY single sponsor suddenly decided tomorrow that they will only pay out 25% per sale?

You are saying that you will leave the industry and not promote them because your traffic is worth 50%.

There is traffic that isnt worth even 25% of a sale, 404 traffic, CJ traffic, console traffic (after a point) even some TGP traffic.

The point being made is this, if sponsors didnt cater to the affiliate that constantly wants more and more money by doing less and less work, we'd ALL be making more money.

Consider this, lets say you make 10 sales a day and someone else makes 10 sales a day.

You make your 10 sales from AEN sites, the other affiliate makes their 10 sales by simply linking to an RSS feed.

Do you think it is 'fair' that you do more work and get paid the same as someone that does nothing but link to an RSS feed? I certainly dont, in my view, you should be getting paid more than the person linking to the RSS feed because YOU are actually working for your money.

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

Do you think it is 'fair' that you do more work and get paid the same as someone that does nothing but link to an RSS feed?

One of the basic mottos of business is to work smarter not harder.

You're also contradicting yourself as a sliding scale payment method for affiliates doesn't address how hard they work, only the shear volume of sales, so someone working smarter can easily make more money then someone working harder. Also, as a sponsor, if you did all the work affiliates did, you would make 100% on a sale instead of 50%, but you work smarter by having others bring traffic to you and giving them 50% of the sale :moneybags:

[marcjacob]

You also wouldnt make any money.

What would happen is EVERY single sponsor suddenly decided tomorrow that they will only pay out 25% per sale?

You are saying that you will leave the industry and not promote them because your traffic is worth 50%.

There is traffic that isnt worth even 25% of a sale, 404 traffic, CJ traffic, console traffic (after a point) even some TGP traffic.

The point being made is this, if sponsors didnt cater to the affiliate that constantly wants more and more money by doing less and less work, we'd ALL be making more money.

Consider this, lets say you make 10 sales a day and someone else makes 10 sales a day.

You make your 10 sales from AEN sites, the other affiliate makes their 10 sales by simply linking to an RSS feed.

Do you think it is 'fair' that you do more work and get paid the same as someone that does nothing but link to an RSS feed? I certainly dont, in my view, you should be getting paid more than the person linking to the RSS feed because YOU are actually working for your money.

Regards,

Lee

I wouldnt quit the industry, id build a paysite and get what my traffic is worth. work solely for myself.

I think its fair that the rss guy makes his money. Im learning now that i need to work alot smarter to get more done. If hes allready doing that than fair play.

You seem to think your affiliates are lazy and overpaid? I work really hard as a sole affiliate webmaster. Some programs i do great at and some i just cant sell but i do work hard to get my money.

[Lee]

You seem to think your affiliates are lazy and overpaid?

No, i think pretty much all affiliates are lazy and over-paid. Granted there are some exceptions to that.

You only have to look around and see what affiliates are asking for these days to realize that they have become lazy, free content, free hosting, FHGs, hosted blogs, hosted TGPs, hosted free sites, hosted banners, console free tours, free submission service, $1 trials, free trials, cascading billing, instant payouts, epassporte payouts, the list goes on.

There are even programs now where all you have to do is sign up to the program and they do ALL the work for you, they build you galleries or free sites and even submit them to the TGPs or link lists you ask them to LOL

What happened to sending traffic to a sponsors tour, waiting 15-30 days and getting a check in the mail?

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

No, i think pretty much all affiliates are lazy and over-paid. Granted there are some exceptions to that.

You only have to look around and see what affiliates are asking for these days to realize that they have become lazy, free content, free hosting, FHGs, hosted blogs, hosted TGPs, hosted free sites, hosted banners, console free tours, free submission service, $1 trials, free trials, cascading billing, instant payouts, epassporte payouts, the list goes on.

There are even programs now where all you have to do is sign up to the program and they do ALL the work for you, they build you galleries or free sites and even submit them to the TGPs or link lists you ask them to LOL

It's unfortunate that some of those programs get caught up in that rat race because at the end of the day they're diluting the value of their product and paying a premium for every sale in labor and devlopment. Just like some of those sites that feel they have to put a movie out every week or twice a week, or more, to stay in business, or be successful, they dilute their product as well. Imagine if Speilburg came out with a new movie, or more, every week... or Universal released a new movie twice a week, year round LOL

[marcjacob]

No, i think pretty much all affiliates are lazy and over-paid. Granted there are some exceptions to that.

You only have to look around and see what affiliates are asking for these days to realize that they have become lazy, free content, free hosting, FHGs, hosted blogs, hosted TGPs, hosted free sites, hosted banners, console free tours, free submission service, $1 trials, free trials, cascading billing, instant payouts, epassporte payouts, the list goes on.

There are even programs now where all you have to do is sign up to the program and they do ALL the work for you, they build you galleries or free sites and even submit them to the TGPs or link lists you ask them to LOL

What happened to sending traffic to a sponsors tour, waiting 15-30 days and getting a check in the mail?

Regards,

Lee

if there bringing in sales why shouldnt they ask more of you? if other programs have hosted this and that and different payout methods, surely you need to, if your going to attract good webmasters.

as an affiliate, im going to go with a program that offers me the tools i need to do well.

[Squirt]

if there bringing in sales why shouldnt they ask more of you? if other programs have hosted this and that and different payout methods, surely you need to, if your going to attract good webmasters.

as an affiliate, im going to go with a program that offers me the tools i need to do well.

An affiliate that will be successful is one with access to traffic that converts and is supplied promo content by a sponsor that has a product people want. Anything else is icing and not mandatory for an affiliate to make sales.

An affiliate that demands everything under the sun just to make a sale is just as bad as the sponsor who wants to pay affiliates on a sliding scale IMO

Man I'm glad I've never had problems with affiliates so far *knock on wood*

[Squirt]

double post :bunny:

[Lee]

if other programs have hosted this and that and different payout methods, surely you need to, if your going to attract good webmasters.

Marc,

Thats just it, just because some other sponsor offers hosted this and that, and $125 PPS for a $2.95 trial, that doesnt mean everyone else has to.

Infact, there are several very large programs that are going to be closing to public affiliate signups in the next few weeks and going strictly invite only.

Every other affiliate program isnt invite only, so why do they have to be that way? Id venture a guess its because they know that 5% of their affiliates make up 95% of the sales.

That 95% of affiliates that are making up 5% of their sales are actually costing them money as a program.

Regards,

Lee

[marcjacob]

No i dont think they have to be. But if you offered a sliding scale like this and others didnt, but had sites that still convert well, why would an affiliate promote you over the other? My point is that programs need to remain competetive.