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    Huskyhunks1
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    Gay Owned/Operated AVS

    was really disappointed today. Adult Check just redesigned their front page. It had a picture of a guy featured prominently in the middle of the page. The reaction by most straight webmasters on the boards was very hostile and I found alot of comments just plain offensive.

    We need a Gay owned and operated AVS for our community. Not just to sell memberships, but to celebrate our sexuality and not just follow what some straight person thinks we should like.

    I'm looking for gay webmasters who are interested in taking on this endeavor. I have a good grasp of html and graphics but I would like to find other webmasters who are experts in these areas.

    Right now, everything is in the planning stages. If we offer a great service, then word will get around and gay webmasters and surfers will get the respect they deserve. Today was a real wake-up call for me.

    I'm Charles. I'm the webmaster of Huskyhunks.com. My email is webmaster@huskyhunks.com.


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    Lee1
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    Husky,

    Please drop me an email lee@gamediacorp.com may have a proposition for you (in a business sense of the word LMAO)

    Regards,

    Lee


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    Xstr8guy1
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    Charles/HuskyHunk...
    Glad to see you made it over here! This is a great board and one of my new favorite hang-outs. GaryAlan and Lee are great hosts.

    As for your idea... it's about time! I'm not sure what "gay" AVS's are truly gay owned or even if ANY of the employees are gay! UGAS has worked well for me recently, but the whole design is soooo twink oriented, I imagine my surfers have to fight the urge to hit the back button before joining!

    We need an AVS that celebrates the diversity of gay culture! Not just an AVS that thinks all gay men are TWINKS!

    AMEN!


    -sorry for shouting... but, finally something to shout about!


  4. #4
    Huskyhunks1
    Guest
    Hi,

    Thanks for the welcome. It does feel better on this board then the other ones. Gayport, RainbowAVS, and I believe BearPass are gay owned. Both Gayport and RainbowAVS are now defunct or close to it. Bearpass is doing well but the focus is limited to bears and cubs which is great because that's mostly what I like.

    I do feel that inclusion is the most important element to the success of a gay owned avs. I've always felt like the gay market was a step-child of the straight market, almost like a straight fetish.

    I don't think so. We are a community as close, varied, and vibrant as anything this world has ever seen. Why should we allow ourselves to be anything less. I just want something that reflects our passion, sexuality, lust, love, etc, in an honest way. No straight person or company can do that for us.

    HH


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    Xstr8guy1
    Guest
    I'd offer my help... but I'm just a newbie and I would just get in the way. But I will build quality sites for your new AVS!


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    Huskyhunks1
    Guest
    Xtr8Guy,

    A webmaster such as yourself is an incredible asset and crucial to the success of any AVS. When the time comes, I would be honored to have your sites listed. I wish all webmasters had your enthusiasm and willingness to try new things and also your work ethic.

    Being a newbie probably has more advantages than disadvantages. This business is all about what's going on in 2003 and 2004 - not 1998 or 2000. We all have to stay current and informed so we're very much equal as far as that's concerned.

    I'm still working on the overall concept and payout structure. In keeping with the community feel, I'm hoping that webmasters would agree to include bio's on a personalized entrance script. Nothing too private, just something to let potential members know that we're real people just like they are. I think it would be a great way to introduce a new website.

    Ok, now it's time to look into processing. That should be fun. CUSoon and good luck with your current sites.







    HH


  7. #7
    rick1
    Guest
    Be sure to check into the pending Visa regulations .... word is (from all the webmaster boards) that Visa plans to make each AVS have each site under them register with Visa. This means each webmaster has to come up with $750 for the first year and $250 for each additional.

    Mastercard charges $1,000 for their registration but that really hasn't been put in place yet, and nothing has been said about MC with AVS.

    I'd move my sites to a gay owned AVS in a heartbeat. I've never used one because they were too twinky for me (one site is gay hairy men), too rainbowish (ok, too gay!) or they didn't really offer a lot of sites to the visitor.

    I've got a couple of sites under one gay AVS with no signups in 2 months ..... not a good thing


  8. #8
    Huskyhunks1
    Guest
    Hi,

    Visa is good at keeping everyone guessing. I know they have new regulation in place and everything is pointing to a much more regulated workplace for us now which may be better in the long run. There needs to be more accountability.

    I don't want to make another "standard" gay avs. I agree that twinks are just way overused. We come in all shapes, sizes, ages, etc, and out tastes are extremely varied. I want the new avs to reflect that.

    As far as being "too gay", I think I understand where you're coming from. I think of CyberAge as being "too straight" for both the straight and gay market. Most straight webmasters would probably riducule that statement but it all depends on where you're coming from.

    One of the most difficult tasks is balancing sex with entertainment. Should an avs just "get you off" or should it entertain you in different ways ? Should it inform you such as this resource or offer chat like Gay.com or hookup places like CruisingforSex ? I know where I sit on these issues but I would really be interested in getting more feedback from other webmasters.

    Regarding processing, I'm leaning towards the affiliate format used by paysites. In a worst case scenario with current regulations, Visa would only charge me the fees and not affiliates.











    HH


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    chilihost2
    Guest
    I would be keen on joining this venture too. I can offer some great experience with billing companies plus content and hosting.

    Charles, you have mail

    Cheers!

    Luke


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    Digital Mojo1
    Guest
    I, too, echo the sentiments of the other posters in that most gay AVS pages are too in-your-face rainbow twinky. I find a lot of that really intimidating.

    I am starting to think that setting up an AVS site featuring my cartoons would be a good idea. I could use the extra money. I think I'll spend some time this week reading up on how to do that. I really don't know anything about AVS's, affiliates or TGP's.

    By the way, I run my own web server, so that part is taken care of already.

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    WWW.COMICBOYS.COM

    Galleries - Games - Animations
    Hardcore Toon Content At Its Finest!

    "No toons were harmed in the making of this website. They're just... um... really good actors."


  11. #11
    Huskyhunks1
    Guest
    Hi,

    Luke, thanks for replying and the email. Great to meet you !Digital Mojo, that's really great work you do. I love your style. Still working on the concept here. When I have something more concrete I will post it here on this thread. Hopefully I'll have something to present if I can get to San Diego for the party.



    HH


  12. #12
    Mr Licious1
    Guest
    I would like to see something like this happen.

    Most of the gay AVS do seem to be geared towards the twink market. I suppose that content sells to a lot of folks.

    However there is a need for a quality avs that caters to and accentuates the range of our gay lifestyle experience. It's all good!

    Mr. Licious


  13. #13
    Huskyhunks1
    Guest
    Mr. Licious,

    That's so on the money. I think plastering twinks everywhere is just a convenient way to portray gays. Of course, we know that's not very accurate but you have to admit, the content is readily available and if you're a straight company, that's what you go with.

    Content, content, content - it's 90% twink or "perfect" male model oriented. How do we change that ? Hopefully this is a step in the right direction. We're going to have to make sites that reflect the entire sprectrum of gay and bi men. That means at some point, we'll have to make our own content.

    The new avs will most likely be set up to rebill monthly. I believe the 1 and 2 year avs model has had it's day. The "free" model is also in decline so that leaves us with a new avs/paysite hybrid. A new generation avs if you will. If rebills are solid, new content will emerge. The emphasis must now be on quality.

    Nothing says boring or waste of time like "100,000 sites" or "700,000" sites, etc.. Surfers are on to that. They know exactly what that means now. It's time to give them something different. I think they are just waiting for something new to emerge.





    HH


  14. #14
    Digital Mojo1
    Guest
    Um... If I may say one tiddy little thing.

    I'd say a good 50% of my website's visitors are women. I get letters (and marriage proposals and offers of children) every day from them. But when asked, they tell me that they don't have AVS memberships and would not consider buying them. It makes me wonder why. These women import gay anime, video games, and "yaoi doujinshi" from Japan at exorbitant rates (often $50 and up for one book or DVD, with some collections appraised into the thousands) and spend hours online deciphering the Japanese.

    That is some expensive porn, yo'. So why do they cringe from the AVS's?

    I have no answers or solutions. It was just a thing that made me wonder.

    ---------------------------------------
    WWW.COMICBOYS.COM

    Galleries - Games - Animations
    Hardcore Toon Content At Its Finest!

    "No toons were harmed in the making of this website. They're just... um... really good actors."


  15. #15
    Xstr8guy1
    Guest
    Wanna bet some of those "women" are actually men, who are too ashamed to admit they like gay anime/porn?

    Just a thought... I was "straight" until about 5 years ago... so I have some insight into the mind of a closeted man... in fact I credit the internet into releasing me from my straight life bondage! HALELUAH!


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