Bareback dilemna

[MiamiB]

Well your site says "Inside Now See Them Sucking And Fucking!"

This is one of the photos on your site

And you say "We Search The City Streets For Hot Straight Boyz With BIG UNCUT COCKS!"

All from your site.

What's it like trolling the streats of South America for young guys to do porn on the cheap?

Oh...and in that shot if you acutally watch the entire shot (the is video and still) they are using condoms. So even in my plugins they use condoms...and the shit I shot we use condoms.

In my private life I might fuck without one now and then if I fucking feel like it.

Lee

[Squirt]

That is a photo from a PLUG IN content provider called Maiximo Latino...Here is the URL www.maximolatino.com

Not bareback content that I shot sorry...

Ok you don't shoot the Latin twinks doing the bareback, you just promote that content and offer it as a part of your site?

Dude you're the one calling people Bitches "in a forum we all visit"

We ALL have the freedom of expression, not just you. The world doesn't revolve around you and your thoughts. We are all a part of this industry and some of us feel passionately enough to post on this topic.. what's wrong with that? All of a sudden those who don't agree with your viewpoint are Bush supporters, conservative, and trying to quash your free speech rights? WTF!!!

I don't know what fantasy you're living but people don't always agree that doesn't mean you have to freak out about it jeeesh

[Squirt]

....and the shit I shot we use condoms.

You said previously that you only film J/O stuff... so you use condoms on your J/O or did you mis speak and actually do film fucking? Which is it now?

[davespeedoevans]

I suppose if the 'tops' know that the 'bottom' is positive then that is their choice and I am right wing enuf to agree that people should have a choice. And I would not stop anyone from having that choice if they wanted it.

However, if it was my own shoot - I wouldn't accept the 'bottom' as a model. I'm not going to have that on my conscience and agree with Basschick and Boyfunk 100% from a business point of view. If they do it in their own home - none of my business, but if it is my business - then I'll make the call.

On a personal note - I've never had unsafe sex in my life and I would hope that through my sites that I promote safe sex (maybe some people will think I'm boring).

I've got 2 franga's in my back pocket now... better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

[MiamiB]

You clearly have more time that I do...or at least more free time...so the next time that you state something in a public forum about me make sure you check your facts.

Certainly since you patrol these forum we don't have to worry about freedom of speech being used since anyone doing so will have to have a debate with you on the topic of the hour...fuck man!!

Lighten up...

Any way, just wanted to give my .02 cents and now I see what that gets me...fucked over...so you have done your job...I will be silent.

Good boy...Bush will give you a cookie in the morning!

Good bye

Lee

[JustMe]

Greetings:

1. I'm sure those of you that are well read know that it's possible to be infected by multiple different strains of the HIV virus, with each subsequent infection making it more difficult to manage. So even if both models are HIV+, they can still infect each other with a second, or third, strain of the virus.

2. Yes, it's true that alcohol can lead to drunk driving, and that cigarettes lead to cancer. However, you'll notice that BOTH of these industries spend HUGE amounts of money to educate people about the dangers of driving drunk, and to educate parents on how they can help stop their children from picking up a cigarette. Certainly the large beer companies aren't out there glorifying how fun it is to drive a car 120 miles an hour down the road drunk. It's called being responsible. Granted, in both of these cases, the federal government demanded that these two industries start behaving responsibly, but the end result is the same. Our industry should voluntarily display such responsibility, instead of waiting until we're hit with yet another federal regulation.

3. OSHA requires that any employee or contractor that's exposed to bodily fluids of any kind be provided with, and demand the use of, proper protection. These laws were originally written to protect workers in the healthcare industry, but states such as California are now applying them to those that work in the adult industry as well. There are HUGE legal liabilities that come along with allowing your models to have sex without a condom.

4. Let's face it, THE VAST MAJORITY of producers in this industry are pieces of shit that pay their models in drugs, have a camera in one hand and their dick in the other, or require that their models perform sexual favors as a way of guaranteeing more work. Does anyone honestly expect any of these people to take the "ethical path" when it comes to anything?

If there's anything that I've learned about this industry in the last year and a half since I've entered it, it's that true professionals are few and far between. This thread is a perfect example of that. I think it is GLARINGLY obvious which replies were made by those rare professionals, and which replies were made by what I would call the "industry standard".

If we as an industry ever want to progress, we need to collectively stop doing business with those that act unprofessionally and unethically.

As a side note, some of you need to learn that there are ways of communicating your thoughts without resorting to childish name calling. Everyone that works in this industry is required by law to be 18 years or older, perhaps there should be another stipulation requiring people to act like it too...

[Matt 26z]

If you are going to shoot bareback, it is my belief that the following two rules must be in play.....

1. Models should not be required to bareback to get the job.

2. They should not be paid less money if they choose not to.

This completely eliminates the possibility of models taking bareback jobs only because they can't find any other work.

If you stand by those two things, then all bareback models will have made a decision to bareback that didn't involve money. Which means they are either a longtime couple who has been barebacking for some time, or two random models who'd bareback anyway even if the camera wasn't there.

[MiamiB]

I made these remarks hours ago and I guess I pissed off a few people...

Reality might be stupid but high risk sex is going on right now as I type this and censoring it from the internet and websites is NOT going to STOP it! In fact, it might make those who are curious seek it out in REAL LIFE instead of being satisfied with seeing on a video or website.

They decided to attack me and my websites all because I entered into a topic and expressed thoughts that they did NOT agree with. Is that the way this forum is supposed to work?

Is that they way free speech is supposed to work? I think not.

I am not going to comment further except to say that it I am sure there are others who would love to voice their views but they know this will happen to them so why bother.

I for one will not bother again. Simply not worth it.

[gaybucks_chip]

If you read back to the beginning of my first post on this thread, I said that each person must make their own choice.

Yes, of course there are people barebacking who don't care, or assume they'll be lucky, or they think they have some magical way of staying negative. What people do on their own time is their business... EXCEPT when they lie or deceive others, such as when a positive person has sex with another person and lies or omits the fact that he is positive. In California, that's a felony.

But just because there are dumbasses who are reckless, or people with self esteem problems that for whatever reason don't feel comfortable asking the other person about being safe, or kids that assume they're invincible, that doesn't mean that we as an industry can use that as a carte blanche excuse to make it OK to further perpetrate the idea that barebacking is OK.

It's really easy to say "Everybody does it, why not me?" or "These guys want to do it anyway, so I'll just let them do it and make the extra money from selling a bareback title" or "Well, it's their choice, not my business if they want to be unsafe."

It takes integrity to say "I am in a position to influence, perhaps a lot, perhaps in only a tiny way, how the people viewing my video will think. How I choose to use the influence I have is a great responsibility, and I want to use that for more than just my own profit."

I agree that a significant number of people in this industry appear to have little integrity... sleeping with their models as a "requirement" of the job, lying/deceiving models to get them to agree to work, encouraging unsafe behaviors, shaving affiliates... whatever that behavior might be. But just because you choose to work in an industry with many people that are less than completely ethical doesn't mean you have to also be unethical. It's certainly easier, and perhaps more profitable, to choose to ignore ethics, but that doesn't make it right.

Some might call me unrealistic, but I believe that by treating others the way I'd like to be treated... choosing to, in my small way, try and communicate a message that helps, rather than hurts others... doing everything I can to nurture relationships with models, affiliates, sponsors, and others in which *all* parties can be financially and personally successful... I believe that ultimately, my company will be successful and grow, simply *because* people will eventually choose to do business with someone that's shown an interest in caring about something other than themselves.

I'm far from perfect, and I don't always meet the standard I'm aiming for, but that's how I try to live my life, and how AJ and I try to conduct our business.

I'm not saying it's the only way, and I'm not saying that people with different beliefs and ethics can't be successful. But from my perspective, it's just as Basschick said... you do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, not because you'll get caught if you don't.

With that in mind, if you still feel there's no problem shooting bareback content, more power to you.

[Squirt]

OH FUCK I just got done fucking the hottest straight Australian cunt dide. Fucking whatever you wanna do. I can't control you. but the guys getting AIDS from what you do is not cool.

It's hot.

It's Spring here.

My swimming pool is warm.

The stars are out.

I'm sweaty.

I just had the BEST australian straight boy fuck

and guess what...

I wore a FUCKING CONDOM

and I didn't have to

I fell on a glass while fucking this dude.. my arm is bleeding all over the FUCKING PLACE, my floor, my couch, my carpet,... is it worth it to feel his tight ass.. FUCK YEAH... but is it worth it to not wear a condom.... NO!!!! You selfish cunt! there are some who perpetuate the bad in life, there are some who don't

such is life

to each his own

I just had fucking great SAFE SEX and life is good. :high: :high:

[Dzinerbear]

Wow, what a guy misses when he's sleeping.

First, comparing a bareback video shoot to a snuf film where a guy gets a bullet in the head is an extreme example. Squirt, I do like a lot of what you have to say, but I wish you wouldn't resort to these Fundamentalist Christian tactics. Let's compare apples and apples.

Second, I absolutely think it is wrong to shoot bareback content without all of the players knowing the HIV status of their fellow actors.

Third, shooting a gang bang film where the bottom is a positive guy and the tops are a mixed bag of who knows because we didn't ask, I think this marginalizes and demeans HIV-positive people. It sends out a message: you're diseased, you're going to die anyway so we don't care what happens to you now. It also sends out a message that only bottoms get HIV and that tops are perfectly safe fucking without condoms.

Fifth, I think it is wrong to glorify the bug-chasing culture. So if it were me, I would only shoot a film with all HIV-positive actors.

Sixth, having said all of that, I think there is a place and a market for barebacking videos. With the progress made in drug therapy, a whole population of men who were condemned to death rebounded to a healthy life. They are living and not dying. Many may want to see themselves represented in porn. Many may not want to be reminded of their disease every time an actor puts on a condom. Many do not buy the reinfection theory or don't care, they figure their lives will ultimately be cut short at some point, so they want to enjoy what they have.

I don't buy the notion that bareback porn lures people into to barebacking themselves. If you are HIV-negative and you're not asking your sexual partners about their status, and you're not practicing safer sex, then there's something wrong with your head. And watching a bunch of guys fuck with or without condoms is not going to fix that.

However, having said that, we probably need to do greater outreach to guys under 30 because they were all just kids or not even born when the whole AIDS crisis began. And like someone pointed out, they don't have the experience of watching their entire friend-base disappear.

I think barebacking, like using drugs, drinking, or smoking, is a personal choice. I think if you're going to shoot it, then make sure everyone on the shoot has a big sit-down and talks about the issues. I'm more pro-communication than I am pro-barebacking. If two consenting adult sit down and talk about what's happening and make a fully informed decision, then that's really all we can ask. Because we're never going to stop people from doing things that aren't good for them.

I think you can also use your video as a way to educate people. Put a warning message at the beginning of it that can't be fast-forwarded through. Tell people that the actors all talked about HIV before they shot the film, tell people that this is a fantasy and all or none of these actors might be HIV-positive. Tell people that they need to talk to their sexual partners before having sex. And tell people that mixing recreational drugs and sex increases the possibility that they won't be in a state of mind to make an informed decision in the moment.

I put barebacking content on my site and I don't have a problem with it. I do, however, put a big warning jpeg on every barebacking gallery (see below). And the image is linked to page where I say much of what I have just said here. I also provide links to AIDS organizations around the world. For me, this is the ethical and responsible thing for me to do. Before I added this feature to my site and wrestled with the idea of having bareback content on my site. Since adding the feature to my site, I haven't lost a minute's sleep.

I think a more dangerous situation that needs our attention is the epidemic crystal meth use in our community. We ought to be doing more to stamp out that scourge. In the past year, we've had to say goodbye to two friends, not because they died, but because they're absolutely and completely fucked up on crystal meth. Tina is a more dangerous vehicle leading to HIV-infection than barebacking porn and we're only beginning to talk about it when we should be screaming about it.

Michael

[Squirt]

You clearly have more time that I do...or at least more free time...so the next time that you state something in a public forum about me make sure you check your facts.

Certainly since you patrol these forum we don't have to worry about freedom of speech being used since anyone doing so will have to have a debate with you on the topic of the hour...fuck man!!

Lighten up...

Any way, just wanted to give my .02 cents and now I see what that gets me...fucked over...so you have done your job...I will be silent.

Good boy...Bush will give you a cookie in the morning!

Whatever you fuckWAD. You have NO IDEA what my life is lilke

I don't care what the fuck you do.. I just don't think it's right so live life and give poor South American boys AIDS there's NOTHING I can do about it... such is life.

[Squirt]

I think a more dangerous situation that needs our attention is the epidemic crystal meth use in our community. We ought to be doing more to stamp out that scourge. In the past year, we've had to say goodbye to two friends, not because they died, but because they're absolutely and completely fucked up on crystal meth. Tina is a more dangerous vehicle leading to HIV-infection than barebacking porn and we're only beginning to talk about it when we should be screaming about it

WTF are people doing using chrystal meth and fucking without condems? It feels just as good... what idiots

[Dzinerbear]

Sorry I hit the edit button instead of quote and so that last post looked like it was coming from Squirt. Here's mine.

Squirt said, "OH you dramatic cunt you wish I was comparing apples to oranges. If you don't see the difference to fucking without a condom and fucking with one, in South America, then such is life. "

I was referring to this quote, Squirt: "If you had a group of guys that wanted to put one bullet in a gun and have you film what happens as they pull the trigger, would you?"

I have no comment on what may or may not be happening in South America, I don't know enough about what's going on.

Michael

[citiboyz]

I think a more dangerous situation that needs our attention is the epidemic crystal meth use in our community. We ought to be doing more to stamp out that scourge. In the past year, we've had to say goodbye to two friends, not because they died, but because they're absolutely and completely fucked up on crystal meth. Tina is a more dangerous vehicle leading to HIV-infection than barebacking porn and we're only beginning to talk about it when we should be screaming about it.

To carry Michael's comment a little further, has anyone noticed the correlation between crystal meth and barebacking in porn? I remember not too many years ago when crystal meth wasn't an issue, and neither was barebacking in porn. Seems to me like the former is what drives the latter, in the sense that meth uninhibits the user from his normal aversion to highly risky behavior. I see a direct correlation between the upswing in crystal meth use and the upswing in barebacking in general, and of course porn always follows the cultural trends. Any thoughts on this?