Feedback please guys and gals

[basschick]

sam. you are under a misconception here. lee and others on this board would say the same thing to anyone in this situation. your model has no idea of what is legal and no interest in finding out. he does stuff that isn't legal in the uk even more than the u.s. and it was on his steveo site last week. it's risky to do business with him, and whether you like it or not, for you to do business with him will remind people that you worked with reece since this model was his project.

the same thing happens with enormous mainstream companies. look at cheney and haliburton, for goodness sake! you are not the only one who will be judged by the associations and their associations - it's how the world works.

[samebb]

sam. you are under a misconception here. lee and others on this board would say the same thing to anyone in this situation. your model has no idea of what is legal and no interest in finding out. he does stuff that isn't legal in the uk even more than the u.s. and it was on his steveo site last week. it's risky to do business with him, and whether you like it or not, for you to do business with him will remind people that you worked with reece since this model was his project.

the same thing happens with enormous mainstream companies. look at cheney and haliburton, for goodness sake! you are not the only one who will be judged by the associations and their associations - it's how the world works.

Thanks Patti. Im not under a misconception, im reading understanding and digesting everything that is being said, however a lot of the information posted here is incorrect.

I will always be "judged" for my prior accociation with a fraudster, and a lot of people will think i am a fraudster because of it, even thought i am not.

This wont change, but what might change is something possitive may come out of the mess i was landed in.

As for Stevo's own site, i am under serious discussions with him about the continuation of the site, and the content he is using that is illegal.

[Xstr8guy]

So in essence, you arent concerned that the 'star' of your upcoming solo site is involved in obscene content distribution?

That sounds like a solid business plan you have there :thumbsup:

Regards,

Lee

I can understand having problems with samebb about his issues with Reece but this is just picking nits. C'mon.

[IdolKnights]

The issues here are deeper than the well remembered RD

If everyone could dig deeper back into the memory pot they would find “content” was a main player in some of the initial unearthing of the RD situation.

And the reply always came in the form of… you just don’t get it. Why attack us. Go look for yourself (after the content was removed and links changed)

This thread reads a lot like those old topics but will less F’you and Talk to my lawyer.

To have a rebirth where people take note, try not to grow up in the same ol shoes.

[gaybucks_chip]

Sam,

I understand why you'd be a bit sensitive about the Reece thing. I don't think anyone here is trying to crucify or judge you based on your previous problems.

What people are trying to say is... you really need to think about HOW YOUR COMPANY COMES ACROSS to surfers and to others in the industry. Like it or not, among those who know, your current business dealings will be influenced at least a little bit on your previous association... ask any of the guys that used to work for Ibill about that... and so what I think people are trying to get across is... when you've had a situation that turned out not-so-good, you should probably bend over backwards to run the most clean, straightforward, legal, unquestionably up-front operation you can, so that people can see that you are a person of integrity.

Promoting a model who produces content that is iffy isn't going to enhance your reputation, even if your site itself has nothing to do with the iffy content. It reflects on you, because you're putting a lot of visibility and energy into this one model.

That's why we try to limit the work we do with models who have done barebacking or worse... it's not an image we want to portray. It's easy to say "Well, i had nothing to do with that"... but if a model you are heavily promoting and associating with your brand is known for iffy content (and, even moreso, known for being associated with someone who ripped off a lot of people for a lot of money), like it or not, it's going to have an effect on you and your business.

No one is trying to persecute you or make you wrong or judge you from past mistakes... we all make them, and as you've said, you're pretty young and I'm sure most of us here who are older or even ancient made a ton of mistakes earlier on. All we're trying to do is to help you not have to have the expensive lessons of experience, and learn from our experience.

[JustMe]

JP i know i am not your favorite person in the world, and the same with Lee, but please cut me some slack.

My goal here wasn't to "attack you", and I apologize if I came across that way. It honestly was some helpful advice to help prevent you from jumping from one cluster fuck to another, back-to-back.

An established models like Stevo Neil shouldnt have to change his model name that he has been using for years just because he "nearly" did work for a fraudster.

I think the problem is what this model has chosen to "establish himself" for. In one of his videos, that he produced and marketed on his own, (and I'm going from his description here as lawds knows I don't want to watch the actual video), he:

Shoves a peeled banana up his ass, shits it out to form a "banana milkshake", then proceeds to eat it.

Then of course there's the video where he (again going off description) jacks off while his nephews and nieces are in the other room, who almost catch him doing it, and "you can even hear them in the next room" on the video.

That's to say nothing about all of the videos where he's drinking his own urine, squirting his own urine up his ass and shitting it out onto the floor, etc. etc. etc.

Even if you ignore all of the obvious obscenity problems, the implication that you can hear minors playing in a video while someone is jacking off, who also almost walk into the scene, and the fact that all of this is being used as a marketing tactic on a site, is something that would horrify even all of the "extreme content" production companies.

This is how your model has chosen to "establish" himself, and he can't blame Reece for it either, these were his own productions, using his own judgement.

That, on top of the whole Reece Dylan association, just isn't an equation for a successful business venture in my opinion.

[samebb]

First off I would like to thank Chip. I am always so happy to receive your advice and input. Yes you are correct I am very sensitive about the Reece thing. As far as the many fuck ups I have managed to achieve in my life that was by far the worst. Honestly I wish I could put the whole thing behind me but I know that isn’t possible and it is now part of everything I do, and a part of many peoples perception of me.

I take your point that yes, promoting a model who, in his own time, away from anything I am involved with has produced content that is deemed obscene is probably a questionable act for a company like mine. I understand that and believe that you are correct in part. I do wish to point out that do any producers really know EVERYTHING their models have done? Maybe not just producing porn, but do they check criminal records? Do they know their past? Have they made videos in their previous years that may be obscene, underage, illegal? It is next to impossible.

Now, as I have said before, and I know a handful of you may not quite believe it to be true, I was left seriously “screwed” after the pulz productions stuff. I haven’t announced publicly a lot of what actually went on, but I am still in a bad way. Through the identity fraud, having my credit card cloned, and having offshore bank account setup in my name to be used for god knows what, I have been put in a situation of legal hassle having to lease with the authorities over what has happened, and the debts from being “scammed” thanks to YOU KNOW WHO.

Alex (Stevo Neil) was also left in a bad way. He left a job and a life for Reece, and purchased goods, such as an expensive laptop, with money given to him that was later charged back, along with wages and expenses also charged back.

He tried to make his way. Now yes he took a bad route. He produced content that was obscene, and he had no idea what he was doing. I think he knows that now. I am in talks with him about completely deleting all of this questionable content. I wish I had been involved in his actions sooner so I could have prevented this situation.

This new website being setup by me was a way we could help each other out of the mess we had been landed in. It wasn’t reviving a Pulz project, it wasn’t affiliating with pulz associates, and it wasn’t planned to be in any way immoral, illegal, or fraudulent, or connected to anything of the sort. It was a new project, on a new domain, with no connection to Reece at ALL apart from the obvious people involved (myself and the model).

I can guarantee that nothing on this site is illegal, obscene or otherwise. I will grand access to any webmaster that would like the verify this. I really don’t mind.

On another note, John Paul your goal may not have been to attack me. That’s fair, but after publicly humiliating me, banning me from your webmaster forum (gaymainstreet.com) and in so attempting to exile me from the industry, I am sure you can understand my negative attitude towards any comments you may have. I am sorry this is the case but I believe anyone else who was in my shoes would react the same.
So how should I proceed? It seems many of you have something to say here regarding all this, so what should my next step be?

Here are the no-goes:
- Abandonment of the project Stevo-Neil.com is not an option. To much time, money and effort have been put into this project, pulling out now would defiantly put me under.

Here are some options:
- Ensure that any obscene content produced by the model in question is eradicated from existence.
- Changing to model in questions stage name.
- And of course your suggestions.

I look forward to your response to see if there is a solution here.

IdolKnights – I really don’t know you to well, and your post in this thread really did confuse me very much. I am unsure what changing links and content problems you are referencing to, but I myself don’t know? Maybe you would care to explain ?


Well everyone I do apologies for the lengthy post. It is nearly 2am and as I have managed to develop the normal habit of sleeping at nighttime for the moment and I am very tired. I will respond to any more posts made to this in the morning, by which time you will all be going to sleep at a guess.

Please let me stress that I am in no way trying to cause a drama here. I am in no way trying to break laws, sell anything illegal or questionable, and I am not trying to make any more problems or enemies. Seriously if you have some solid, helpful advice I would really appreciate it (even from you JP).

Thank you for your time reading this, and I am sorry that a post regarding “my first movie gallery” has turned into such a prolonged threat.

Good night.

(if there are serious spelling mistakes and grammer errors in this its due to tiredness, sorry)

[IdolKnights]

I quote you from GMS

"I stole NOTHING From you, you lying dirty fuck. If i wanted to STEAL from you id highjack your fucking domain or copy your site page to page. Get a LIFE"

as a response to review content stolen from Gaydemon

I could go on but should be a good enough

[Squirt]

Sam Eborall I think that a lot of people spent a lot of time, and a little money, to uncover the whole Reece Dylan thing and you denied everything while degrading everyone who posted and dragging them through the mud.

Your previous failed business ventures, along with the Gaydemon site stealing issue, then Pulz Productions scam fiasco, has just put everyone off. I don't know you or have anything against you but that's where things are with you and the Gay webmaster community.

[gaybucks_chip]

k, maybe I'm being naive or overly optimistic, but I'm willing to give a 19 year old kid (Sam) a break.

Sam fucked up. Badly. More than once. But near as I can tell, he's beginning to understand that the stuff he did in the past, which I won't enumerate, was foolish and (understandably) hurt his reputation with people in the industry, and I think he also knows his responses were at best extremely immature and at worst hurtful and angry.

I'm not trying to defend his actions -- I've never met him or had any business dealings with him -- I'm only pointing out that it seems like he's trying his best to say "OK, this sucks, I fucked up, I'm trying to move forward and make the best of it." So for the moment, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Sam, if it's not an option to dump the site, I would definitely have the model take down and destroy all of the questionable content, and give you a written statement that he's done so. You're not on the hook for it, as it was never connected to you, but it could come back to bite you at some point if it resurfaces and you're promoting his (now cleaner) solo site. A letter from him will give you at least some protection if somebody tries to make an association. It wouldn't hurt to change the stage name too, just to get a fresh start to the new image he's trying to portray.

But even more than that, I'd have a lengthy conversation with him about the legal issues, and the importance of legal compliance. If he's not in 100% agreement with you about the importance of following the law even if he doesn't agree with it, then no amount of money is worth moving forward, because he will cause you further problems in the future.

The people here are (for the most part) friendly and helpful. You've lashed out before in a pretty arrogant, angry way, and that will stay in people's memories for a while. So you just have to recognize that and not feed into it further... just move forward, listen, take the advice you're offered where it makes sense to do so, and practice humility. In time, if you show by your actions that you really have learned, people will come around in their thinking. Well, most of them will

[Squirt]

k, maybe I'm being naive or overly optimistic, but I'm willing to give a 19 year old kid (Sam) a break.

You are

Work with him though. Invest some resources, time and money on him and let us all know how it turns out.

[gaybucks_chip]

You are

Work with him though. Invest some resources, time and money on him and let us all know how it turns out.

I may be optimistic but I'm also a pretty good businessperson. There's a big difference between encouraging someone/offering suggestions on one hand and making a significant investment on the other.

I'm not ready to go into business with Sam, but I'm willing to believe that he wants to do the right thing and I'd like to give him a little encouragement to do that.

[chadknowslaw]

Best Choice : Total Career change to a different industry

2nd Choice: GO TO WORK FOR SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING. You are not cut out to make decisions on your own.

Bad choice: Keep doing what you are doing, thinking you have what it takes without a strong mentor who really DOES understand the business.

[Squirt]

I may be optimistic but I'm also a pretty good businessperson. There's a big difference between encouraging someone/offering suggestions on one hand and making a significant investment on the other.

I'm not ready to go into business with Sam, but I'm willing to believe that he wants to do the right thing and I'd like to give him a little encouragement to do that.

I'm sorry. When you said "but I'm willing to give a 19 year old kid (Sam) a break. " I didn't know that just meant encouraging him.

I thought you were encouraging us to work with him and invest our time, money, and resources on the chance he might have changed.

If you're not ready to go into business with Sam then why should any of us?

[samebb]

This thread has gotten so far off topic that it seems pointless to even reply. It seems to be the same old people, coming out the woodwork to try take another stab at me. Is there nothing better you could be doing Squirt, Chad? Honestly.

Chad, for somebody in a career such as yours, honestly mate you do say some daft things. I ask for advice on a project and you reply with some sort of life mentoring? Trying to suggest I don’t know “what I am doing” is a slightly stupid comment from you. You have no idea what I know, who I am or what i an cabable of. We have never met OR spoken, so how could you?

I am not asking anyone to “work” with me. Well not any of you people who just want to run me down. Have you considered that I wouldn’t even consider working with you? Hmm.

I am not going anywhere. A lot of you are to set in your ways to ever change the false profile you have given me, and frankly that’s fine. Get on with your life and I will do the same. Chip, thanks again for being honest and actually making sense.

IdolKnights, whatever you have to say about Bjorn/GayDemon is fine. Whatever happened many months ago is in the past. Bjorn and myself have both put all of that behind us, and moved on in a professional manor. Maybe it is about time you considered doing the same?

I have little more to say about this. As I said at the start of this post, it is pointless me posting replies to people who just want a fight, just want a drama. It’s pathetic.

I have work to be getting on with. Take care.