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    WTF? Mandatory Website Labelling Bill In Congress Already

    WASHINGTON -- Tucked away in a spending bill pending in Congress is language the porn industry finds offensive.

    Along with billions of dollars in funding for the Justice Department and the State Department is a little-noticed provision that would require Web sites that feature "sexually explicit" content to contain special labels to make it easier to keep kids away from them.

    The provision's backers -- led by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales -- say the language is a simple and logical step to keep kids a safe distance from porn and give parents greater control over their children's online travels.

    The adult entertainment industry, joined by civil libertarians, says the labels would be a digital-age scarlet letter that would violate constitutional free speech protections. Opponents argue that labeling should be voluntary and, besides, a major portion of the Internet's X-rated sites are based overseas and are thus beyond the reach of U.S. law.

    "It would impose criminal penalties on operators of sites for the lack of labeling on content that is constitutionally protected," said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy and Technology. "If you consider the vastness of the Internet, it potentially makes criminals out of an extraordinarily diverse set of content providers," she said.

    One of the bill's weaknesses, opponents say, is that it does not clearly articulate what kind of content would be defined as "sexually explicit." According to Harris, sites featuring the Victoria Secret lingerie catalogue or exhibitions of erotic art could find themselves exposed to criminal penalties.

    Harris also noted the language was never the subject of committee hearings in the Senate or the House, was never approved by any committee and was simply inserted into the bill as it headed to the Senate floor.

    Under the provisions, all Web pages that contain "sexually explicit" content would require a special label that would make them instantly recognizable to filtering software. In addition, the language would ban adult content from the opening page of adult sites so anyone inadvertently arriving there would have the chance to leave before being exposed to any flesh.

    "When a child, for example, accidentally types in a '.com' instead of '.gov' or '.org,' sexually explicit photos would appear on the screen. This amendment will prevent that from happening," Sen. Conrad Burn (R-Mont.), who sponsored the language, said last month when the language was shoe-horned into the spending package.

    It was a long-running irony in Washington that seeking information on the presidency from www.whitehouse.com, instead of www.whitehouse.gov, would land the seeker at a porn site. That has since changed.

    Though Congress adjourned last week without passing the bill, both its supporters and its opponents have little doubt it will be back in January, when lawmakers reconvene after the holidays.

    According to the adult entertainment industry group the Free Speech Coalition, most adult Web sites already require an affirmative act, like an additional mouse click, to access X-rated content. In addition, the industry is working on a set of voluntary "best practices" that include labeling all pages.

    The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection -- a group funded by Playboy.com, Hustler.com, Livesex.com and dozens of similar adult oriented sites -- is promoting its RTA, Restricted to Adults, labeling system to "better enable parental filtering, and to demonstrate the online adult industry's commitment to helping parents prevent children from viewing age-inappropriate content."

    The labeling provision inserted in the congressional spending bill grew out of a hard-hitting, at times graphic, speech given by Gonzales at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Alexandria last spring during which he called for legislation to attack child pornography and keep kids from accidentally encountering adult content online.

    He said the bill envisioned by the administration would "prevent people from inadvertently stumbling across pornographic images on the Internet. I hope Congress will take up this legislation promptly."

    Accepting the challenge was Burns, who was defeated in last month's elections, and Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). The two failed in their initial bid to get the language included in a stalled telecommunications bill, but they succeeded this fall in getting it included in the spending bill.

    "We saw this as the best opportunity to ensure these needed protections are enacted," Burns said.

    The provision also contains noncontroversial language sought by the administration that would impose fines of $50,000 to $300,000 for Internet Service Providers or others who do not report users who are downloading or accessing child pornography.

    "This amendment increases penalties for folks who turn a blind eye to any attempt to exploit children over the Internet," Burns said.

    Opponents of the labeling language scored a temporary victory when Congress punted the spending bill until January, leaving it up to the next Congress -- which will be controlled by the Democrats -- to reconsider the provision. Still, the language has the support of a number of influential Democrats.

    "We fully expect it to be reintroduced, but we feel much more confident about next year," said Harris of the CDT.

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    I really cant help but think this has had something to do with all of those behind 'closed door' meetings the FSC attorneys have been having with the Feds over the past few months, i mean, they setup a 'voluntary' label and a month or two later, we have this.

    Kind of makes you wonder how far ahead of time the FSC knew about this.

    It'll also be interesting to see how hard they fight this on the grounds of free speech given that the FSC own their own voluntary label, it should definately show who side they are actually on, the industries, or that of lining their own pockets.

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    Im also reminded of all the 'it will never happen' replies in this thread..

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    Aswell as that it still irks me that the 'law makers' are now on holiday until January......
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    To be honest, *if* the purpose of the label was only to ensure that browser plugins for content filtering (i.e., Net Nanny) worked reliably to filter out porn, I wouldn't object.

    The problem is, as soon as you have something that all adult sites use, the next thing is certain ISPs or cities or whatever will start blocking traffic at the root level, and that does run into free speech issues.

    I can remember about a year ago, we discovered that none of our sites were in NetNanny's database. We used the form to submit to have our sites added to the database... but the form was broken. So we emailed customer service. After about 5 days, we got an email back from some brainless person in their email response center telling me how to submit using their form. Several rounds of email exchange between the worthless response center people and I yielded nothing.

    It was only after I sent several emails to management people whose addresses I was able to uncover, saying that my next call was to 60 minutes and several other high-profile consumer protection groups, that I got an email from someone that the form had been fixed and our sites added to the database.

    It's amazing to me how quick people are to blame the adult industry when half the time we would happily work within the existing framework... but for reasons such as the above, the existing framework is seriously flawed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Accepting the challenge was Burns, who was defeated in last month's elections, and Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). The two failed in their initial bid to get the language included in a stalled telecommunications bill, but they succeeded this fall in getting it included in the spending bill.
    Boy you sure had to keep reading way way down to learn that the Democrat nominee for President in 2004 co sponsored legislation mandating labelling of all adult websites. Good thing the Deomcrats want to keep Congress is session five days a week next year..... so bills like this won't get lost.

    This, by the way, is where most other business groups utilize lobby organizations for to stop laws like this from gatting passed.

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    Well the problem that i see immediately with this, before even getting in to the content of the bill, is that it WILL pass because of how it has been presented.

    It isnt a 'bill' of its own, it is [in essence] a peice of paper clipped on to a much bigger bill, about Congressional spending, thats like one of us tacking on a mature lesbian midget site membership to a twink site signup, it just doesnt make any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desslock View Post
    This, by the way, is where most other business groups utilize lobby organizations for to stop laws like this from gatting passed.
    Well we have lobbyists, oh hang on, no we dont, the FSC just fired them a week or two back, awesome timing yet again on their part

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    Quote Originally Posted by desslock View Post
    Boy you sure had to keep reading way way down to learn that the Democrat nominee for President in 2004 co sponsored legislation mandating labelling of all adult websites.
    Therein lays the problem with voting for a party and not the policies when it comes to election time, unfortunately, everyone seemed to be on a 'Democrat, Democrat, Democrat' shove this last time around and now hopefully those that were can see why voting on policy, is a much better option than voting for a party $0.02

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    I've always said it's not a republican thing, it's not a democrat thing.
    Ask any congressman (or woman) if they want their kid stumbling upon a site with a girl taking it up the ass from a big black guy, and they'll all universally say "hell no".

    It's got nothing to do with the letter after a politician's name.

    The bill will go through.

    I've already got my sites labelled with ICRA, was planning on doing RTA this week but now that I see this, I guess I'll just hold off until I find out what labelling service the gov't deems we should use. (Probably some new gov't database that takes all of our info and stores it and violates our privacy and to top it off, doesn't work worth shit...)

    Sigh.


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    This is something that has been known for sometime. S.3499 was introduced in the Senate on June 13, 2006 and H.R. 5749 was introduced the House on July 10, 2006. Both bills contain language requiring "warning marks on commercial websites containing sexually explicit material."

    So, this hasn't showed up out of the blue at the last minute.


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    and actually, I believe that 4472 requires something to this effect as well, and it's already law.


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    Someone needs to put together a Bill for a underage internet.

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    All I gotta say is that I endorse and support labeling 100 percent. I'm very thankful for the ASACP's work on this behalf, and am a big fan of the RTA label. It shows that the adult industry CARES about protecting children, and that should be a top priority for ANYBODY involved in this business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbndc View Post
    This is something that has been known for sometime. S.3499 was introduced in the Senate on June 13, 2006 and H.R. 5749 was introduced the House on July 10, 2006. Both bills contain language requiring "warning marks on commercial websites containing sexually explicit material."

    So, this hasn't showed up out of the blue at the last minute.

    Very true. The government has been saying for quite a while "Do it, or we'll do it for you," which is exactly why the ASACP started work on the RTA label. There's no reason why the government shouldn't accept that.

    I also don't believe that labeling should be voluntary. It should be enforced on all adult sites. Again, we're producing content for adults, and adult sites should be labeled as such.

    It's all just for show anyway. It's not going to change anything. But it is a show of one's commitment to the protection of children.
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    re: Government Protection of the Children

    Well I disagree. Government required labelling, however well intentioned, violates our freedom of speech.... specifically how we are allowed to say things and express ourselves.

    And that is all such a law would accomplish, because we all know that the law would not extend to any of the countless websites outside the United States.

    What ought to be advocated as a solution is the superior solution of using filtering software, as it does not limit its effectiveness to within the United States, nor does it abridge our civil rights.

    Steve


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