It looks like the guy exhanged links with a site and he checked everything out and it looke fine. Later they changed the site so he was linking to a site with child porn.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=686460
DirectNic did violate some privacy laws though http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=18587
Mark
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Thanks for that Mark.
It always pays to know who you're doing business with.
Perhaps more so in this business than most.
That is so true Randy. There wasn't much info when I orginally posted this. But now I am really pissed off at DirectNic they should not be policing domains no matter what. This is very scary that one day all your domains could just be shut off without any court order or anything.
Mark
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And those clowns at GFY just don't see any problem with it at all! The members of GFY are a HUGE reason for all of our problems.
Mark,
Directnic should be policing the content on the domains, especially when something is reported to them, when their company could come under investigation from the Feds. Just as any hosting company will investigate content hosted by them.
Just like you or i can refuse to let an affiliate to promote our sites, Directnic has the right to refuse someone to use their service, even after they have paid for the domain.
You mean to tell me Mark that if someone reported one of your affiliates to you for having kiddy porn on one of their domains, you wouldnt do anything about it?
In fact, even last year i remember there being some threads on GWW where reports of CP came up, and guess what, the posters were told to do the following..
1) Report it to the feds.
2) Report it to the host.
3) Report it to the registrar.
4) Report it to ASACP.
I like how this entire industry can turn at the flip of a coin, all it takes is for some moron to shout 'freedom of speech' and everyone gets their panties in a wad.
Fact of the matter is this, DirectNic have every right to ask their clients for whatever they want, its part of the agreement we all agree to when purchasing a domain (not just at DirectNic BTW).
Ive used DirectNic as a registrar for many years, and ill continue to use them for many more, this shows me, as one of their existing clients, they are looking out for their continued long-term business, and in the process, mine.
Regards,
Lee
I'm going to disagree with you here. Gay TGP's could learn a thing or two about how straight TGP's police their trades.Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
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Dont ask me why but i looked at the site that was linked too. Now im normally one of the people who say dont accuse people of cp just on the basis of having young looking models, but site had very very young looking models. One photo had a kid (wearing shorts) looking at a naked chic on the streets. I was told that having kids on porn site even if clothed, was very close to the mark. Some of the girls look well under 18 by Europeon standards.
If i i supplied their hosting or billing or anything else, id demand to see model age verifcation or cease working with them.
Why should directnic or anyone else take crazy risks like that?
Exactly, yet the domain registrars arent allowed to do the same thing? LOL
If i dont supply IDs to my host when they ask for them, my account gets closed, if i dont supply IDs to my processor when they ask for them, my account gets closed down.
If DirectNic wants to see any of the IDs for the models im using their service to rent my domains from, they can do.
Regards,
Lee
Lee, not that great at writing (as you can all tell) but yes, that was my point. Anyone helping to keep a site up that believes they have underage models, needs to ask questions.
Were in a risky business in many ways. We sell sex content. We have to be prepared to proove our models age if asked to by companys we do business with, or not do business with those companies. I think so anyway.
Indeed.
All anyone on GWW has to do to see DirectNics side of this is go back to last year when we were discussing the ages of the Mike18 models, nobody batted an eyelid when CCBill terminated their account for having questionable content on their site.
I think the problem is that for so many years the industry has been, for all intents and purposes, a free-for-all, now that it is starting to mature and people are starting to question those practices of others, in an effort to protect their own businesses, people are starting to become worried because maybe, just maybe, they are going to have to start paying attention to who/what they are promoting.
Oh and for the record, i ask potential advertisers on GWW to show me model IDs all the time, the only ones that bitch about it are the ones that dont have them. If they dont have a model ID when asked, they dont get to use GWW as a marketing vehicle for their sites, services, or products. Thats *me* protecting *my* business.
Regards,
Lee
I think they have the right not to show you those ids though Lee, they could have other reasons for that (not revealing the models details and so on).
They absolutely DO have the right not to show me the ids.
If they dont though, they dont get to advertise on GWW.
Regards,
Lee
Orginally I thought what DirectNic did was good, I don't want cp on the internet anymore than anyone else. But aftering thinking about this more they basically took down this guys entire network without any court order or anything. How would you feel if they brought down your entire network because someone thought one of your sites had underage models? It also seems like a good way to sabotage someone. Trade links with them and then change your page so it has cp on it and then report it to Directnic then they bring your entire network down and lock your domains and you couldn't do a single thing about it and it would be tied up in court. Your program and sites would basically be screwed. DirectNic has been solid for us but this issue really has me concerned. We have enough to worry about in this industry and now we have to worry about our register bringing down our network. There is also the issue or privacy, Directnic wanted to see id's which is a huge privacy issue. The guy supplied id's but then was completly taken down. Lets say you agree with what Directnic did what happens if they overreacted and this guy is innocent? His domains were down for a week and he lost affiliates, members etc. It just seems like this issue should not be in the hands of the register, call me crazy. Since when do registers police domains? I hope we get more insite on this issue and some answers.
Mark
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What if, what if, what if.
This is a simple of case of the registrar asking for documentation, the guy not having (or not wanting) to give it to them.
If he didnt have the docs, he's stupid.
If he had the docs and didnt want to show them to DirectNic, he's stupid.
Its been proven (i think) that there was in fact child porn (or at the very least pseudo child porn) on the domains the guy owned.
Mark again, what if one of your affiliates is reported to you for having suspected child porn on one of his sites where your banner displays, what do YOU do?
1) Nothing.
2) Report to the Feds.
3) Investigate and ask for IDs.
Regards,
Lee
You're right and I agree with all of these options. Also, I wouldn't want to be forced to work with a company I didn't want to do business with or that I thought was a liability.. unfortunately this isn't happening with DirectNic.
Directnic has locked the domain, forcing the site to stay under their service, instead of allowing them to switch to another registrar. So in fact, Directnic is forcing liability upon themselves by continuing to serve the domain.
If Directnic would have just sent the guy their demands and consequences if they didn't meet the demands, that would be fine. And if every other registrar they went to demanded the same thing, that would be GREAT! But locking a domain is something, if this catches on, that could be very detrimental to legitimate adult businesses and asking for ID's is overstepping the boundaries. If Directnic would have given them notice and just dumped them out of suspicion I'd be fine with that, but the way they are doing it is wrong. You see what I'm saying?
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