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[XXXWriterDude]

Yes i can, absolutely.

I have never claimed to be an expert at anything and i have certainly never claimed to be better than anyone else in the industry.

You've never come right out and said it, but your words on this site point to the contrary. You have a rather annoying habit of talking down to everyone and trying to put everybody else in their place. And if you don't see that, then you're even more deluded and arrogant than you appear to be.

I have however claimed that others are dumb as rocks, and you cant argue with facts.

Well, Lee, we can't ALL be as perfect and all-knowing as you.

[Lee]

You've never come right out and said it, but your words on this site point to the contrary.

They do? Well i can hardly help how you interpret my posts now can i?

You have a rather annoying habit of talking down to everyone and trying to put everybody else in their place.

Like you are trying to do to me right now you mean?

Regards,

Lee

[XXXWriterDude]

Like you are trying to do to me right now you mean?
Lee

What I'm trying to get you to be a little more welcoming to people who come to your board, Lee. Instead of talking down to everyone and constantly telling them what idiots you think they are, why not actually embrace that they come onto your site and take part in a community you helped to build?

Instead, you're like that big bully on the playground who, when he gets called out for acting like an imbecile, tries to humiliate and intimidate people into silence. The fact that you actually had the nerve to type something like "Does anyone even care about what you write, Ken?"--especially when you exploit my position at AVN every chance you get--only proves how equally insecure AND full of yourself you really are. That's something a 5-year-old would do when they know they're losing.

You have the opportunity with this site--which I totally commend you for creating--to help nurture an industry that looks to you to bring together an increasingly segregated business in one common place, but instead you use it as a vehicle to propagate negativity and self-righteousness, when that's the LAST thing this industry needs.

True, my posts here today may not be the best means to promoting togetherness and unity, but today I just wasn't in the mood to listen to you tell yet another webmaster how stupid you think he is. It's gotten REALLY old, and you've already lost quite a few board participants for that very reason.

Anyway, I said my peace. I have no desire to prove I have the bigger dick. I just wish you would think twice before you would turn your poison pen on people.

[Lee]

but today I just wasn't in the mood to listen to you tell yet another webmaster how stupid you think he is.

Ken..

It isnt just me that is saying it though, re-read through this entire thread, so far everyone that has offered Fabian some help has been met with negativity, like we dont know what we're doing.

I just find it strange that we arent the ones going to the straight niche webmasters asking for their help, to improve our ratios or profit margins, in fact, i dont think ive ever seen that happen, instead, its always those in the straight niche coming to us looking for help and advice, and when they get it, it isnt what they want to hear so we must be the 'stupid' ones.

There is a reason so many in the gay marketplace dont have a lot of respect for those working in the straight niche, its because of threads just like this one, ones where we give people the advice they ask for, and they throw it back in our faces like we dont know what we're talking about.

We arent the ones suffering for new surfer joins to our sites, we arent the ones constantly looking to expand in the straight niche, we arent the ones running around calling everyone breeders or other derogatory terms that fit, in fact, we're the ones building loyalty with our consumers, we're the ones that are offering help and advice to those seeking it, we're the ones these straight companies are trying to market to, by not listening to the advice we give them (based on our vast experience in this marketplace) i'm sure even you will agree, THATS STUPID.

Regards,

Lee

[XXXWriterDude]

There is a reason so many in the gay marketplace dont have a lot of respect for those working in the straight niche, its because of threads just like this one, ones where we give people the advice they ask for, and they throw it back in our faces like we dont know what we're talking about.

Well, perhaps you should examine the manner in which you give advice, Lee. Tone is everything.

We arent the ones suffering for new surfer joins to our sites, we arent the ones constantly looking to expand in the straight niche, we arent the ones running around calling everyone breeders or other derogatory terms that fit, in fact, we're the ones building loyalty with our consumers, we're the ones that are offering help and advice to those seeking it, we're the ones these straight companies are trying to market to, by not listening to the advice we give them (based on our vast experience in this marketplace) i'm sure even you will agree, THATS STUPID.

Well, putting the tired "gay victim" routine aside for a moment, I see your point, but not ALL the straight webmasters are like that, and the ones who actively reach out to the gay webmasters shouldn't be judged and attacked because of the faults and failings of others.

[Lee]

the ones who actively reach out to the gay webmasters shouldn't be judged and attacked because of the faults and failings of others.

Ken,

Fabian hasnt been judged based on the actions of others, he was judged based on his actions, basically turning around to everyone that offered him advice and telling them 'you are wrong'.

Regards,

Lee

[fabianb]

lee,

If you read my previous answer you can read what I say:
I counter an argument based on what I know and wait for someone to hit the reply button.

Michael offered a good reply and have to agree he is correct in what he writes. ('new' gay site example).

Mainstream straight guys have to compete harder for their traffic and thus have to be more agressive. Those tactics result in pops etc.
Below the layer of straight programs promoting themself on gfy and other boards you will find a large layer of niche players that run programs as clean as described here. Main reason is that they don't have to use the tricks since they don't compete for the mass traffic.
A good example is: alsscans.com, very clean. Talk to 25 straight guys and 15 will know the site. For the longest time they didn't even offer recurring memberships.
If I was the owner of alsscans.com I probably would try to make a deal with pridebucks (or other gay operator) to launch absscans.com and work the traffic and share the knowledge.
This is what I call 'cross over'.

Michael:
I don't run day-to-day operations klixxx but based on your remarks here I guess I should ;-)
I will pm you on this issue. I don't know who made the deal with you etc.