So Has AVN Made A Statement Yet?

[XXXWriterDude]

I guess Webmaster Access and Xbiz could have had the same fight as their shows were the same week. But I didn't see this drama or fighting over it on the boards.... Shows come and go all the time! Lets just all go to the ones we want and avoid the ones we dont want too... Why is there so much drama and discussion?

Exactly. I know I said I wouldn't post again, but I just have to agree with this statement. Where was all this fire and brimstone when Xbiz scheduled their Hollywood Conference just 3 weeks after our January Internext show? Oh, wait... you were all BENEFITTING from that show. I see. So it's fine if there is unfair competition, as long as everyone else gets what THEY want out of it, right? I see nothing but hypocrisy disguised as altruism in this thread, and it's truly ugly. U-G-L-Y, I say.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

The XBiz show wasn't a gay-webmaster specific show scheduled in the exact same month as another gay-webmaster specific show. They don't even compare.

[Epoch Holly]

The XBiz show wasn't a gay-webmaster specific show scheduled in the exact same month as another gay-webmaster specific show. They don't even compare.

Yeah they do actually.... And in fact Webmaster Access was upset with Xbiz it was the same week so the people had to choose which one to go too! It was a webmaster show lots of people had to choose and yet no drama! Funny!

[CorbinFisher_BD]

No one's motivated by philanthropy here. Not GayVN, not Epoch, not Cybersocket, not CCBill. At the end of the day it's all about making money.

So GayVN, Epoch and Cybersocket have every right to do things that'll make them more money and help them be what they view as successful.

What's unique to this particular case, though, is the product earning these companies money is billed and presented as being something to benefit the community. That's what the organizer of any of these events presents them as and, indeed, that's what the events should be. Once the community determines it's no longer a benefit to them, they stop attending.

What I hope people in this case realize is that the principles behind the GayVN Oct. event may very well have cost the community a lot more and harmed it a lot more than helped it. Everyone will end up paying the price. All because they couldn't stand to see someone else pull off such a good event.

When someone stabs ya in the back, they're not doing you any favors by handing you a bandaid.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Yeah they do actually.... And in fact Webmaster Access was upset with Xbiz it was the same week so the people had to choose which one to go too! It was a webmaster show lots of people had to choose and yet no drama! Funny!

There's a show every other week in this industry.

When it came time for the GayVN/Epoch/Cybersocket show to pick a date, they went with the same month as the only other gay webmaster-specific show on the entire calendar.

Talk about those other shows all you want. It just draws even more attention to the absurdity of selecting the one sole month on the entire calendar that conflicts with an existing gay webmaster-specific show.

[gaybucks_chip]

The recently-posting parties continue to distract from the main issue, which is that out of 12 months, they chose the same month as an already established, successful show for a new event in a market that wasn't yet strong enough to support two shows at the same time.

Brian is right; Xbiz and Internext are predominently straight shows and the potential audience is much larger than a gay show. Scheduling at the same time is still not the best, but it wouldn't be a "show killer" as it was for GPF. And to say that October is the only acceptable month to host a show in LA is hardly credible. And posting the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

If anyone wants to talk with me privately, I'm open; chip at gaybucks dot com or ICQ 272-995-402, via PM here, or my phone is 510-526-0454.

I would love to see a real resolution rather than stonewalling.

[WegCash Robert]

There's a show every other week in this industry.

When it came time for the GayVN/Epoch/Cybersocket show to pick a date, they went with the same month as the only other gay webmaster-specific show on the entire calendar.

Talk about those other shows all you want. It just draws even more attention to the absurdity of selecting the one sole month on the entire calendar that conflicts with an existing gay webmaster-specific show.

I totally agree with this. I think it's too bad that the shows were at the same time but I am just happy that there are GAY shows now. There weren't any forever and it's nice to have them now. I know that AVN might look bad for having the show the same time but I really don't think that they did that on purpose. I love to work with both and as Brian said there are always shows right after another. I didn't read through all these five pages of comments but I get the point. A good example is the xbiz show in LA then the GFY show right after in Lake Tahoe. That's a great example of two shows being right after another and just not possible for everyone to attend. I just am just glad that they are trying to work with the gay market again and get us all together.

[JackLove]

And posting the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

agreed.

karl

[CorbinFisher_BD]

they chose the same month as an already established, successful show for a new event in a market that wasn't yet strong enough to support two shows at the same time.

Which is really the key here, in my eyes.

Have a show all you want.

But it's clear from the Oct. selection date that the intent of the GayVN Retreat organizers was to not just have their own show, but prevent GPF from taking place. They wanted to be sure to eliminate the possibility of GPF taking place. It wasn't just "How can we have a gay webmaster show?". It was "How can we have a gay webmaster show and be sure there are no other ones?".

And that hurts all of us. That is why, when I look at the GayVN Retreat, I see an event that will take place at the expense of the gay webmaster community and that was borne from circumstances negatively impacting all of us.

[JackLove]

And posting the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

still agreed.

[Epoch Holly]

Which is really the key here, in my eyes.

Have a show all you want.

But it's clear from the Oct. selection date that the intent of the GayVN Retreat organizers was to not just have their own show, but prevent GPF from taking place. They wanted to be sure to eliminate the possibility of GPF taking place. It wasn't just "How can we have a gay webmaster show?". It was "How can we have a gay webmaster show and be sure there are no other ones?".

And that hurts all of us. That is why, when I look at the GayVN Retreat, I see an event that will take place at the expense of the gay webmaster community and that was borne from circumstances negatively impacting all of us.

Not going to argue you with you. But if you see this show having no benefit then dont go! Period... I remember a time you used to endorse Cybersocket stuff when you worked there. So you do know they are good people. This is business people. GPF closed there show ok so let's move on... You dont like you dont have to go but I know lots of us will!

[XXXWriterDude]

And to say that October is the only acceptable month to host a show in LA is hardly credible. And posting the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

The exact same thing can be said regarding your statements purporting to know exactly what everyone's intentions are, Chip, yet you keep posting the same things again and again. Contrary to popular belief, the things we do are not motivated by the desire to screw other people over.

And that's all I wrote, this time for real. Hopefully Chad will get involved and post his own remarks about this, but I wouldn't blame him if he didnt. The unmistakable venom in this thread is a vile example of how low this industry can stoop.

[vs eddie]

:quote:Not going to argue you with you. But if you see this show having no benefit then dont go! Period... I remember a time you used to endorse Cybersocket stuff when you worked there. So you do know they are good people. This is business people. GPF closed there show ok so let's move on... You dont like you dont have to go but I know lots of us will!:quote:

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:....and that is all I have to say.

[vs eddie]

Not going to argue you with you. But if you see this show having no benefit then dont go! Period... I remember a time you used to endorse Cybersocket stuff when you worked there. So you do know they are good people. This is business people. GPF closed there show ok so let's move on... You dont like you dont have to go but I know lots of us will!

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:....and that is all I have to say.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Not going to argue you with you. But if you see this show having no benefit then dont go! Period... I remember a time you used to endorse Cybersocket stuff when you worked there. So you do know they are good people. This is business people. GPF closed there show ok so let's move on... You dont like you dont have to go but I know lots of us will!

Actually, I never worked at Cybersocket. I worked for a different company in the same office building. And I know a lot from my time working there. But I don't think you can assume what it is I know or how I feel about some of the people there.

And certainly, I'll not be attending the GayVN Retreat.