How Much Longer Will Adult Be Profitable For Paysites?

**Lee** · 05-16-2007, 11:36 PM

In terms of companies setting up paysites as a part of their business model?

For example, how long do you think it is going to be until ppv becomes THE thing to have in order to make money instead of recurring or subscription based business models?

I just finished a conversation with someone a few minutes ago and we were both of the mindset that pretty soon, we're going to start seeing a migration away from the recurring/subscription billing model to a more streamlined approach as an industry towards on demand/ppv or pay per download billing, however the problem with this is, the 2 main processors at the present time, simply arent equipt to facilitate this change in billing mechanism and because of this, its going to be started by a company with their own merchant account and programmers who will write the backend necessary to bill (and payout to affiliates) using newer models than what we are used to now.

So, how long do you folks think it is going to be until we start seeing 'paysites' as we currently know them, the way of the TGP?

Regards,

Lee

**basschick** · 05-17-2007, 12:16 AM

i know of plenty highly successful tgps that haven't gone anywhere, and i hope that will also apply to paysites as i make an average of $2 per member on pay per view and over $35 per member with paysites.

**procam** · 05-17-2007, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Lee

In terms of companies setting up paysites as a part of their business model?

For example, how long do you think it is going to be until ppv becomes THE thing to have in order to make money instead of recurring or subscription based business models?

I just finished a conversation with someone a few minutes ago and we were both of the mindset that pretty soon, we're going to start seeing a migration away from the recurring/subscription billing model to a more streamlined approach as an industry towards on demand/ppv or pay per download billing, however the problem with this is, the 2 main processors at the present time, simply arent equipt to facilitate this change in billing mechanism and because of this, its going to be started by a company with their own merchant account and programmers who will write the backend necessary to bill (and payout to affiliates) using newer models than what we are used to now.

So, how long do you folks think it is going to be until we start seeing 'paysites' as we currently know them, the way of the TGP?

Regards,

Lee

I dunno about all that but :cough: it sure would be nice if sponsors learn to make stuff thats user friendly~ such as having groups of content together that match one another and actually releasing updates instead of launching a program and sticking content out there never to release an update again for YEARS! :hippy:

**gaybucks_chip** · 05-17-2007, 02:29 AM

One of the things that I think/hope we will begin to see is a move away from "pay per minute" and toward "pay per scene"... as Patti said, it's hard to make money off a surfer when s/he can jump around and watch the 3 minutes out of a 20 minute scene that they want, and pay 24 cents for the privilege... while watching a scene you paid 3 bucks to see (or even $1) is more reasonable in terms of cost recovery for the content producer.

**chubbs** · 05-17-2007, 08:58 AM

As a user, I love vod. In my opinion, AEBN is by far the best site out there. And they have a lot of content already from exclusive paysites. With more paysite owners making their stuff available on aebn, it's just a matter of time before aebn's market share gets even bigger.

As a webmaster I like both. When I first started in the biz and did not have that much traffic I made a lot more money converting paysite sales than I did aebn. But now that I have a good amount of traffic and have been sending traffic to aebn consistantly they are by far my #1 sponsor. If they had more marketing tools available the gap between them and my #2 sponsor would be in the thousands.

As long as there are paysite owners out there producing exclusive niche content that is only available (legally) on their sites, there will be people willing to buy monthly memberships. At least I hope so cause I have a bunch of paysites in the works.

--Chubbs

**mickey** · 05-17-2007, 09:33 AM

I dont think we will see traditional paysites go anywhere anytime soon.. There is still too much money being made from people who join up and forget to cancle their membership for a few months... I would say that on a monthly basis we have about 15-20 members that write in wanting to cancel after having found out that they have been paying for the membership for 2-3 months where they didnt use it...

Some will demand a refund and get it, others will simply chuck it up to a lesson learned and that equals money on our bottom line... so i dont see paysites going anywhere as i am sure we are not the only ones seeing this happen on a weekly basis...

**basschick** · 05-17-2007, 10:53 AM

i'm surprised to hear it. aebn's video quality is way lower than the stuff at some paysites now. it's also offered with less formats and features. not to mention their old school tours, usingthe most overexposed ounique pics from the 90's and non niche specific text. my minutes have been going down - i used to make $4 something per member and now make $2, so for me, looks like the market share is going down...

Originally Posted by chubbs

As a user, I love vod. In my opinion, AEBN is by far the best site out there. And they have a lot of content already from exclusive paysites. With more paysite owners making their stuff available on aebn, it's just a matter of time before aebn's market share gets even bigger.

**A_DeAngelo** · 05-17-2007, 11:41 AM

I can only speak from our personal experience - As content providers, I see that AEBN numbers continue to be strong while our members' numbers climb as our store sales also remain strong although, wholesale is down a little (but that will change) - we're still too new at this game to have any knowledge as to long term forcasts (5 years as porn producers isn't enough time for me to determine where WE are heading...)

The feedback we have been receiving is that our members prefer to subscribe to OUR pay site and get all of our premium content at great screen ratios (we offer a choice of sizes) and get hi-rez photos too - tons of our well produced content to view rather than getting our content from one of our feeds and viewing the same stuff by the minute at 1/2 the rez - also, we have a following and our members enjoy downloading and keeping our stuff - interesting that offering our content in this format hasn't necessarily affected our store sales...

Most important, our site features our content encoded from the "masters" rather than the feeds which put up our content reproduced from DVDs which are only a fraction of the quality before they get encoded and shrunk even more... we KNOW that people want higher quality to view on their new and very expensive home entertainment systems (thanks apple)

Most of the consumers we talk to (retail, renters, surfers, etc.) don't really seem to understand all the ways they can watch our stuff - all they want is more....!

Dzinerbear · 05-17-2007, 12:56 PM

I think it'll be a long time before paysites die off, if they ever do. I think a good program needs a variety of things to appeal to the largest group of surfers. Some surfers aren't happy with one site, they like the 50,000 site appeal of AVS; others like PPV; some surfers see PPV as a waste of money as they don't get to keep anything, so they'll prefer the video download model; and some surfers are always going to be happy with checking in with their favourite paysite a couple of times a week.

I do see a few more companies following the Take My Cum model where the surfer buys a video clip and it's theirs to keep. But you need exclusive content for that model.

Cheers
Michael

**A_DeAngelo** · 05-17-2007, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

I do see a few more companies following the Take My Cum model where the surfer buys a video clip and it's theirs to keep. But you need exclusive content for that model.

Cheers
Michael

you know the funny thing is that the guys that download our movies from our paysite and get to keep them and do whatever they want with them also enjoy owning a dvd of the same - but then, dvd's are a completely different market - our T&C store sales have climbed since we put up barebackMasters.com on January 1 of this year - our goal is to provide our stuff in many if not all different formats so that people will have more access - kind of like the Coca Cola approach - my days are long gone of thinking that we should limit sales to certain markets while excluding others - we're into the global marketplace these days.... total ubiquity

**chubbs** · 05-17-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by basschick

i'm surprised to hear it. aebn's video quality is way lower than the stuff at some paysites now. it's also offered with less formats and features. not to mention their old school tours, usingthe most overexposed ounique pics from the 90's and non niche specific text. my minutes have been going down - i used to make $4 something per member and now make $2, so for me, looks like the market share is going down...

The quality is definitely not as high as some other paysites but the amount of content makes up for that by far in my opinion. Seems like they have everything in almost every niche. And I love the VOD biz model. Been using the same chunk of minutes to watch porn at aebn for like the last 2 months.

I too make about $2/sale promoting aebn and have for the last 2 years. But with close to 1500 sales a month it works out.

--Chubbs

**basschick** · 05-17-2007, 05:37 PM

have you seen videobox and gay video box and all the video archives opening up around the web? higher quality, tons of videos, much higher quality, single lower price.

er... whoops! sounds like i'm trying to sell you a membership

Originally Posted by chubbs

The quality is definitely not as high as some other paysites but the amount of content makes up for that by far in my opinion. Seems like they have everything in almost every niche. And I love the VOD biz model. Been using the same chunk of minutes to watch porn at aebn for like the last 2 months.

I too make about $2/sale promoting aebn and have for the last 2 years. But with close to 1500 sales a month it works out.

--Chubbs

wnc · 05-17-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by basschick

have you seen videobox and gay video box and all the video archives opening up around the web? higher quality, tons of videos, much higher quality, single lower price.

er... whoops! sounds like i'm trying to sell you a membership

Smile.

For a few months I marketed GayVideoBox, now renamed VideoBoxMen. Their stats showed monies earned and then the amount vanished months ago without a payment. I did a test signup and and I was never credited... so be warned about working with adultplatform. I have ceased linking to them.

**Squirt** · 05-17-2007, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by wnc

Smile.

For a few months I marketed GayVideoBox, now renamed VideoBoxMen. Their stats showed monies earned and then the amount vanished months ago without a payment. I did a test signup and and I was never credited... so be warned about working with adultplatform. I have ceased linking to them.

That's really good to know. Thanks for having the balls to post publicly about it so others wont have the same problem :thumbsup: