Barrack Obama Has Had Gay Sex Claim

[putosperros]

Why Clinton is more electable:

In the mathematics of the electoral college, winning the big States matter.

Unless the Obama fever continues for the next nine months unabated, this will be a much tighter race than people think.

And this is what will happen in November:

- With Obama v. McCain in Ohio, the state will lean Republican
- McCain will also have a better than 50% chance of winning in Florida, after their voters are disenfranchised by the Obama camp's refusal to seat their delegates
- California, a traditional Democratic stronghold, will come into play if Obama is the candidate. A significant break of the Latino voters to McCain could force significant resources to be deployed; this trend will occur nationally
- In a general election Obama will have no chance in Texas; Clinton, although unlikely to win, could force McCain to spend resources there.
- The States where Obama swept Clinton, except for those with significant liberal leaning (safe Democratic states) voters and large black voting blocks, will be won by the Republican nominee.
- Indiana, where the Democrats have a 50-50 chance will break to McCain if Obama is the nominee
- Pennsylvania, where the Democrats had a better than 50% chance to win would come into play.

The biggest challenge is that the large metropolitan areas that have traditionally been the Democratic strongholds would become competitive as a result of an Obama candidacy.

There may be a net sixy electoral vote swing in favor of McCain if Barack Obama is the nominee, simply because of the demographic dynamics. Obama can get 263 electoral votes, but Hillary has a chance of capturing 326.

Had the Democratic Primaries been structured like the Republicans with winner take all, Clinton would be ahead (including the counts for FL and MI delegates and all super delegates) in the delegate count–1,680 to 1,527.

If the delegates were distributed like the general election electoral votes, she would still be ahead 201 - 194, with several big states in which she is competitive coming up.

Perhaps the two candidates should agree now that all Super Delegates simply vote as a block in accordance with the State that they represent (and the DC delegates in proportion to the popular vote); Michigan and Florida delegates would be tabulated with the undecided in Michigan going to Obama and all the non-Clinton votes going to Obama in Florida.

Whatever happens, let's not demonize the other side for playing politics (after all, this IS politics).

[Squirt]

That resume isn't good enough to be POTUS?! Empty suit? HARDLY!

Looks like it to me :specs:

[Squirt]

Why Clinton is more electable:

Very well said!

One thing a lot of people don't realize, that you pointed out, is that Clinton has won the big Democratically winable states, Obama is winning the Dem vote in Rep states, which means he will lose those states in a general election to the Rep candidate.

Obama / Clinton dream ticket would give us the best chance of winning and keeping the party together.

[rdynow]

Squirt, I have a simple question why do you want a socialist as our president?

IMHO it's time for Americans to take back our country and draft an independent who is electible, give us our freedoms back and not be a socialist.

[desslock]

Had the Democratic Primaries been structured like the Republicans with winner take all, Clinton would be ahead (including the counts for FL and MI delegates and all super delegates) in the delegate count–1,680 to 1,527.

If the delegates were distributed like the general election electoral votes, she would still be ahead 201 - 194, with several big states in which she is competitive coming up.

Isn't it interesting that even though so many Democrats were outraged in 2000 at the existence of the electoral college, because Gore won the popular vote but not the electoral vote for President, the Democrats have designed an even more complicated delegate apportionment system to select their own Presidential candidate?

Steve

[Squirt]

Squirt, I have a simple question why do you want a socialist as our president?

If you feel that one of the candidates is a socialist then that's your opinion. I don't think any of the candidates are socialists. :french:

[rdynow]

If you feel that one of the candidates is a socialist then that's your opinion. I don't think any of the candidates are socialists. :french:

Have you not read or heard any of Chillary's or Obama's positions?

[Xstr8guy]

Squirt, I have a simple question why do you want a socialist as our president?

IMHO it's time for Americans to take back our country and draft an independent who is electible, give us our freedoms back and not be a socialist.

If you feel that one of the candidates is a socialist then that's your opinion. I don't think any of the candidates are socialists. :french:

Socialism is a dirty word to Americans. Most wealthy European countries have strong, successful socialist programs and are proud of them. The U.S. has socialist programs too but we refuse to label them as such... Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, etc. What's the big deal? I personally would love to see a strengthening of social programs in the U.S. I would love to see a good Universal Health Care program for all Americans. And I make NO apologies for that!

[Xstr8guy]

- McCain will also have a better than 50% chance of winning in Florida, after their voters are disenfranchised by the Obama camp's refusal to seat their delegates.

That is a total distortion of the truth. Obama has nothing to do with the decision to not seat primary delegates from Michigan and Florida. That was punishment given by the DNC for moving their primaries up to earlier dates without permission from the DNC. Clinton and Obama (and the other candidates) knew that before the Florida and Michigan primaries.

[jIgG]

what have the democrats done since 2006
that they deserve my vote?
or any vote for that matter?

talking doesn't count, actions do

for starters:
- iraq surge passed
- real id act passed with 100% of senators voting yes
- telecom immunity passed the senate with 57 votes

- want to take more of my money and give it to "working class families"
huh? how exactly are my 15 hours of work worth less and less important?

- social security/medicare - no option for private account, or diverting the
money from BOTH, for more than just $5000, to something like Roth IRA or not contributing at all.

I'm not keen on working my ass of and give the government free money
that I maybe/probably/perhaps will see some day if I am lucky enough!

The whole social security and medicare system is fucked up
and what I contribute now goes to those who are withdrawing at the moment
And the kids today will have to pay my social security later!
Genius, simply brilliant.

At least it's not all fucked up like europe where my government is
threatening me with jail because I did't pay my government mandated
health coverage contributions even though I live permanently in the US.

- And then there are the giveaways for the greedy dipshits, banks included,
with adjustable rate mortgages - like somebody I know, who bought $380,000 home on $16/hr salary without income verification, hasn't paid his mortgage for 8 months, just bought a new car, and wants to walk out now and buy a new house, on an ARM without income verification, again! And who gets more money back from the IRS than pays in.

They want to give them breaks because the poor dimwits
were too greedy and overstretched themselves! And god forbid
they have to be reponsible for the lack of brain cells
Brilliant again!

- crying about stimulus package and people who DONT pay taxes
being left out from getting a rebate check.

- funding said stimulus package by borrowing even more money while
screaming at Bush for running the country into the ground and growing
debt - which is up to 10 trillion dollars

- Then on the local level the school board idiots and other morons
who raked in the cash from property taxes during the boom, now
crying they dont have money and screaming against lowering taxes
because OMG what would happen to all the pet projects they have.

Those same idiots, who yell at the republicans for using scare tactics,
tell me to be careful how I'm going to vote because if property tax
amended passes they'll cut my firefighters and cops support and then
I'll be sorry! And then with the other side of the mouth they speak
how high property taxes and real estate boom have affected working
class families and the need for workforce housing!

Obama /and Hillary/ talk of money for this and that. And how he'd give
$4000 to students - where's getting the money from? I thought Bush
was spending too much and it's raising the debt?

And the same people who cried about Gore, now refuse to acknowledge
Florida voters!

Right

[deanb]

That is a total distortion of the truth. Obama has nothing to do with the decision to not seat primary delegates from Michigan and Florida. That was punishment given by the DNC for moving their primaries up to earlier dates without permission from the DNC. Clinton and Obama (and the other candidates) knew that before the Florida and Michigan primaries.

But there is some truth, there is going to be democrats a little upset if their delegates doing get say, and the candidate they chose doesn't win. This could really cost the whole election. IMO they will seat the delgates.

[rdynow]

Socialism is a dirty word to Americans. Most wealthy European countries have strong, successful socialist programs and are proud of them. The U.S. has socialist programs too but we refuse to label them as such... Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, etc. What's the big deal? I personally would love to see a strengthening of social programs in the U.S. I would love to see a good Universal Health Care program for all Americans. And I make NO apologies for that!

Xstr8guy, what supposed democratic country has a social program that runs great? Frances socialist programs are a terrible failure. Yes, we have socialist programs you mention but the have never worked and never will work. You forgot the famous CRA law which really was a great socialist plan passed under Carter. This is one total fuckup.

You want universal healthcare, the Obama plan? Where’s the money going to come from to pay for it? Borrow more? Raise our taxes again? The Clinton plan? Force you to pay or get fined, even if you can’t afford it? Get fined and lose your house. Great plans. Oh, I forgot they are going to let the tax cuts for people making over $200K expire. So we are going to raise taxes on people that pay the tax bill now, who create the jobs, and have ways to defer their income so they won’t pay the taxes. I guess next time someone unemployed needs a job they should go to someone on welfare.

[rdynow]

But there is some truth, there is going to be democrats a little upset if their delegates doing get say, and the candidate they chose doesn't win. This could really cost the whole election. IMO they will seat the delgates.

Watch the lawsuits over this.

[deanb]

Xstr8guy, what supposed democratic country has a social program that runs great? Frances socialist programs are a terrible failure. Yes, we have socialist programs you mention but the have never worked and never will work. You forgot the famous CRA law which really was a great socialist plan passed under Carter. This is one total fuckup.

You want universal healthcare, the Obama plan? Where’s the money going to come from to pay for it? Borrow more? Raise our taxes again? The Clinton plan? Force you to pay or get fined, even if you can’t afford it? Get fined and lose your house. Great plans. Oh, I forgot they are going to let the tax cuts for people making over $200K expire. So we are going to raise taxes on people that pay the tax bill now, who create the jobs, and have ways to defer their income so they won’t pay the taxes. I guess next time someone unemployed needs a job they should go to someone on welfare.

Why is France ranked number 1 for health care if it is such a failure?

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[deanb]

Watch the lawsuits over this.

Whoo hoo, more lawsuits, people file lawsuits over hot coffee, does this really mean anything?