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[deanb]

Have you not read or heard any of Chillary's or Obama's positions?

I have read all of them, Obama for the most part copies Hillary, except for the fact that he offers no plans to accomplish anything and Hillary does. Neither of them however are socialists. I am honestly surprised that you didn't call them a communist! Don't most of your people think that?

[deanb]

You know, I don't think it is bad that this is the 8th most popular post ever on GWW. It just shows that we have an election year when people are more emotionally evolved than ever, and people have more opinions than ever! Regardless of anyones personal of choice or their political party, we should all be proud that we are this involved in the process!

No one in this thread, republican or democrat has appeared as stupid, and we all have given our voice, and this is how our country should run!

[Xstr8guy]

Xstr8guy, what supposed democratic country has a social program that runs great? Frances socialist programs are a terrible failure. Yes, we have socialist programs you mention but the have never worked and never will work. You forgot the famous CRA law which really was a great socialist plan passed under Carter. This is one total fuckup.

You want universal healthcare, the Obama plan? Where’s the money going to come from to pay for it? Borrow more? Raise our taxes again? The Clinton plan? Force you to pay or get fined, even if you can’t afford it? Get fined and lose your house. Great plans. Oh, I forgot they are going to let the tax cuts for people making over $200K expire. So we are going to raise taxes on people that pay the tax bill now, who create the jobs, and have ways to defer their income so they won’t pay the taxes. I guess next time someone unemployed needs a job they should go to someone on welfare.

Oh you're right! I'm a capitalist pig... er... um republican now! You've completely changed my mind. THANK YOU! :bananacock:

[Squirt]

You want universal healthcare, the Obama plan? Where’s the money going to come from to pay for it? Borrow more? Raise our taxes again? The Clinton plan? Force you to pay or get fined, even if you can’t afford it? Get fined and lose your house. Great plans. Oh, I forgot they are going to let the tax cuts for people making over $200K expire. So we are going to raise taxes on people that pay the tax bill now, who create the jobs, and have ways to defer their income so they won’t pay the taxes. I guess next time someone unemployed needs a job they should go to someone on welfare.

Sounds like you need to read the plan from Obama and the plan from Hillary :turddance:

I can tell you from living in a country with "universal health care" for five years that it kicks ass. When I first moved there, and wasn't eligible, a doctors visit was $50 and medicine I needed was usually under $15 for a 30 day supply, medicine that here, for the generic version, is about $60 a month... that was NOT being in the system.

When you think about it, America looks pretty retarded at this point in history where most every other advanced Western country has "universal health care" and we don't :shithitfan:

[rdynow]

Why is France ranked number 1 for health care if it is such a failure?

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

So their job program is a total success?

[rdynow]

I have read all of them, Obama for the most part copies Hillary, except for the fact that he offers no plans to accomplish anything and Hillary does. Neither of them however are socialists. I am honestly surprised that you didn't call them a communist! Don't most of your people think that?

Well, by definition alone both are socialist programs.

[rdynow]

Sounds like you need to read the plan from Obama and the plan from Hillary :turddance:

I can tell you from living in a country with "universal health care" for five years that it kicks ass. When I first moved there, and wasn't eligible, a doctors visit was $50 and medicine I needed was usually under $15 for a 30 day supply, medicine that here, for the generic version, is about $60 a month... that was NOT being in the system.

When you think about it, America looks pretty retarded at this point in history where most every other advanced Western country has "universal health care" and we don't :shithitfan:

Why read their policies when they both spell out them in debates.

[djdez]

Xstr8guy, what supposed democratic country has a social program that runs great? Frances socialist programs are a terrible failure. Yes, we have socialist programs you mention but the have never worked and never will work. You forgot the famous CRA law which really was a great socialist plan passed under Carter. This is one total fuckup.

Dude, sometimes you just pull shit out of your ass. Seriously. First Ronald Reagan, now this? France has the undisputed #1 health care system on the planet. No other country does it better. hardly a failure.

[desslock]

Well I'm not labeling Democrats socialists, any more than Republicans are fascists. (Overuse of those terms has essentially made them meaningless anyways)

I am not voting for Democrats precisely because of their health care proposals.

Australia may have socialized medicine. However, it is a country with only 20 1/2 million people. That's just under the population of New York state. We have 281 million people, so implementing socialized medicine in the United States would be much more difficult.

It's not just people - but the greater number of age demographics, race demographics, population regions, and all the kinds of medical care anticipated and needed for a federal medical system in the United States to provide.

The second reason against socialized medicine is something that everyone here conveniently ignores about other countries. Our population is aging. Since socialized medical insurance is essentially a ponzi scheme, aging countries like France, Germany, Japan and England today are facing serious problems in finances.

Canada, Australia and the United States have younger populations for now - but if and when our countries gray, it means that more people will need public health care and there will be fewer younger people to pay for it.

Health care in the United States is a problem because it costs so much. If you are going to change the system, change it so the prices come down via market forces (like prices for most other service industries have)

Requiring health insurance only makes everything even more expensive and services scarcer as the government provides it.

Steve

[Squirt]

Why read their policies when they both spell out them in debates.

Because you're asking questions like "how are they gonna pay for it" when the answer is spelled out several times in the policies.

Just trying to help you find the answers you're asking for.

[desslock]

France, with its aging population, is having big financial problems. In fact, they are running deficits so high, the EU keeps having to exempt their transgressions in order to stay in the European Union. (Plus, France has had almost 10% unemployment for years and near zero economic growth for years. Wonder why???)

Specifically to the health care system in France - this USA Today article writes of an astonishing 14, 802 people dying in their hospitals during an unexpected Summer heat wave in 2003.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...nce-heat_x.htm

You can blame the weather if you want, BUT THEY DIED IN THEIR HOSPITALS.

The United States is so much larger then France, you must concede that the wider array of population, geography and demographics means that even more unanticipated things will occur, and even more frequently.

Steve

[Squirt]

Well I'm not labeling Democrats socialists, any more than Republicans are fascists. (Overuse of those terms has essentially made them meaningless anyways)

I am not voting for Democrats precisely because of their health care proposals.

Australia may have socialized medicine. However, it is a country with only 20 1/2 million people. That's just under the population of New York state. We have 281 million people, so implementing socialized medicine in the United States would be much more difficult.

See this is precisely why socialized medicine in America would work. currenlty 240 million Americans do have health insurance as only 40million are not insured. The infrastructure is already there to accommodate our population, it's not as if we're starting from scratch.

Being difficult isn't a reason not to do it. The healthier we are the more productive we are and the longer we can live being productive.

[Squirt]

France, with its aging population, is having big financial problems. In fact, they are running deficits so high, the EU keeps having to exempt their transgressions in order to stay in the European Union. (Plus, France has had almost 10% unemployment for years and near zero economic growth for years. Wonder why???)

Specifically to the health care system in France - this USA Today article writes of an astonishing 14, 802 people dying in their hospitals during an unexpected Summer heat wave in 2003.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...nce-heat_x.htm

You can blame the weather if you want, BUT THEY DIED IN THEIR HOSPITALS.

The United States is so much larger then France, you must concede that the wider array of population, geography and demographics means that even more unanticipated things will occur, and even more frequently.

We have major infrastructure problems in our country. The NIU school shootings overloaded the local hospital and they had to be diverted to another hospital farther away, and that was under 20 people at one time needing care.

Ignoring our problems will not fix them, nor will handing them off to the next generation.

Having insurance people stress wondering if they'll be covered, and that's WHEN you pay the way your supposed to , you do everything right, but the HMO decides if it's convenient for them to do what they're supposed to do or not. Some are lucky, others aren't.

When I can buy the same medication in Australia, off their medicine plan for 4 times less then in America there is a problem. They hike the prices of meds up so high here it's unthinkable. We are being taken advantage of more then most people realize, by our own companies, in our own country.

[desslock]

The problem is INSURANCE.

Health care is the only service people buy without actually paying the people offering it. We pay the insurance company, who in turn pays the providers. This third step is why costs are so high.

We all are intimately familiar with having to use 3rd party providers in order for our websites to take VISA/Maser Card. Do you agree that ccBill and Epoch raise the costs of doing business? You have no idea what they are paying the banks themselves.... it's expensive!

Why do you want to inflict this kind of system on everyone who needs to see a doctor?

Prices on services have gone down across the board --- but not health care, and this is because no one shops, no one knows what they are really buying.

One last point -- here in the US, an extremely effective allergy drug, Zyrtec, just was allowed to be sold over the counter.

Austinites jokingly refer to their city as the allergy capital of the world. Every Summer, you get cedar allergies. Last year, I went to a doctor who wrote me a script for Zyrtec. I paid $90 for my bottle of pills. Of course, me and thousands of others get cedar allergies every year, so we know exactly what we need, but we have to pay to see a doctor, who must write a prescription.

The FDA allowed it to be sold over the counter at the beginning of February. Walgreens now sells Zyrtec for $22 a bottle - AND you can go the Zyrtec website for additoinal coupons.

Why was Zyrtec $90 by prescription? Because that's what insurance companies would pay for it --- and that's how most people were buying it. Now I'm not saying everything should be sold over the counter. But if you got rid of this stupid insurance system, the market would force prices down.

Steve

[djdez]

The problem is INSURANCE.

Health care is the only service people buy without actually paying the people offering it. We pay the insurance company, who in turn pays the providers. This third step is why costs are so high.

We all are intimately familiar with having to use 3rd party providers in order for our websites to take VISA/Maser Card. Do you agree that ccBill and Epoch raise the costs of doing business? You have no idea what they are paying the banks themselves.... it's expensive!

I don't see it that way. I see epoch and ccbill that allow many businesses to operate that otherwise wouldn't. Likewise insurance companies provide access to medical treatments they otherwise could not afford.