Barrack Obama Has Had Gay Sex Claim

[desslock]

Joe -- you make a good point there. ccBill and Epoch do allow more folks to take credit cards. But it's not enshrined in any law.

Would you *require* everyone who wanted to take credit cards to go through a 3rd party payment provider?

Because the universal health system in Massachusetts requires all residents to buy insurance. And I think the plan in California that just failed in their legislature worked the same way. Just like in Canada, you must use the Canadian government system. It is against the law for someone to even buy private health insurance there. (they don't want the competition)

We were all taught in school that monopolies are bad. A monopoly is a situation where there is only one provider of a service... like the old Ma Bell phone company.

In economics they call a situation where there is one buyer of a service a monopsony.

Sorry - but creating those kinds of things via federal law is really the wrong direction to go in.

I think that I'm politically a moderate. Let's have state and local governments be there for catostrophic heath care. The federal government can help out. Same with Medicare, maybe just try to make it more market oriented so it costs less.

You guys constantly rail against how terrible the government operates with Bush as President. Either from the embarrassing Katrina response, or broken borders, or inept military plans, or inability to pass a budget - the list goes on and on. It is astonishing to me that you would want to entrust this same nearly unaccountable body with a vital task such as this.

Steve :morning:

(Off to the gym! Saturday is leg day)

[rdynow]

[QUOTE=Squirt;231239]Sounds like you need to read the plan from Obama and the plan from Hillary QUOTE]

Obama’s plan and how he’s going to pay for it:

Employers will be forced to pay a portion even if they don’t provide coverage.
“require all employers to contribute towards health coverage for
their employees or towards the cost of the public plan” This is a socialist tactic.

“Barack Obama believes that every American has the right to affordable, comprehensive
and portable health coverage.” Another socialist idea.

“Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP
but still need assistance will receive income-related federal subsidies to keep
health insurance premiums affordable. They can use the subsidy to buy into the
new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.” Where’s the money coming from?

“EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION. Employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or
make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national
plan.” If your porn biz does offer coverage be prepared to contribute.

“Obama will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems,
including electronic health records.” Where’s the money coming from?

He never states in his program where the money is going to come from to fund the entire project.

[rdynow]

Sounds like you need to read the plan from Obama and the plan from Hillary

Clinton’s plan and how he’s going to pay for it:

“A Net Tax Cut for American Taxpayers: The plan offers tens of millions of Americans a new tax credit to make premiums affordable-which more than offsets the increased revenues from the Plan’s provisions to limit the employer tax exclusion for health care and discontinue portions of the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000. Thus, the plan provides a net tax cut for American taxpayers.”

[rdynow]

Because you're asking questions like "how are they gonna pay for it" when the answer is spelled out several times in the policies.

Just trying to help you find the answers you're asking for.

Now where is it spelled out, sorry they have no plan to pay for healthcare.

[rdynow]

Joe -- you make a good point there. ccBill and Epoch do allow more folks to take credit cards. But it's not enshrined in any law.

Would you *require* everyone who wanted to take credit cards to go through a 3rd party payment provider?


(Off to the gym! Saturday is leg day)

Funny you made the above statement, whether you use ccbill, epoch or have your own merchant account you use a middle man so to speak. You never deal directly with VISA, MC, AX or Discover.

[djdez]

You guys constantly rail against how terrible the government operates with Bush as President. Either from the embarrassing Katrina response, or broken borders, or inept military plans, or inability to pass a budget - the list goes on and on. It is astonishing to me that you would want to entrust this same nearly unaccountable body with a vital task such as this.

Steve :morning:

Its different. Bush wanted to appoint his cleaning lady to Supreme Court Justice. Thank god, that didn't go through. However, he was able to appoint a horse lawyer as the head of Katrina. Bush was given advice by his top generals and who did he decide he should listen to? Rumsefeld and Cheney. Bush's total incompetance and ingnorance is unmatched. There's an old saying here in pennsylvania, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

[djdez]

Would you *require* everyone who wanted to take credit cards to go through a 3rd party payment provider?

No but then again, we're talking about the most important thing in someone's life - their health. Mandating health insurance is only going to effect those that could pay for it, but decide to spend their money on a bigger house, or a fancier car, more elaborate vacations rather than investing into their healthcare. Those who can't afford it because that money goes to putting food on the table and the electricity on won't have to pay for it.

If you can afford health insurance, but decide to spend that money elsewhere, and then get very sick you leave society with two options. Let you die or pay your medical bills. The first isn't an option in my book. The second doesn't have to be either if we enshrine mandatory health insurance into law.

[Squirt]

Now where is it spelled out, sorry they have no plan to pay for healthcare.

ok you just listed a number of ways they stated they would fund universal health care. You read the plans, you pasted to this thread how they'd pay for it, and now you say they have no plan to pay for health care. there's not much more I can do to help you on this topic. :drumstick:

[Squirt]

You guys constantly rail against how terrible the government operates with Bush as President. Either from the embarrassing Katrina response, or broken borders, or inept military plans, or inability to pass a budget - the list goes on and on. It is astonishing to me that you would want to entrust this same nearly unaccountable body with a vital task such as this.

The way I see it, from living years in a country that has universal health care, is that it's a great service to the people, it works, it brings prices down and increases dramatically quality of living.

Our current system of private health care doesn't work. We pay more and more, for less and less. The private health care infrastructure is already in place and can be modified to a public system.

I find it odd you don't see something glaringly obvious. Insurance companies lobbied for auto insurance to be mandatory, now it is. Prices are much lower and we get more for our money. When we have an accident we don't have to worry if the insurance company will do as they say, they do. We need the same kind of mentality with health insurance don't you think? Whether it be public or private, things need to change, and the public system is one I know works, and works well.

Instead of seeing why it can't work, or shouldn't work, think about why we it can work and how it should work.

[rdynow]

ok you just listed a number of ways they stated they would fund universal health care. You read the plans, you pasted to this thread how they'd pay for it, and now you say they have no plan to pay for health care. there's not much more I can do to help you on this topic. :drumstick:

The only thing I pasted was how they intended to pay for the plans where's the money coming from? Neither plans states that. I posted this before. They will end the tax cuts on people making more than $200K. Do you realize those are the people creating the jobs?

It came out during the debate the other night that under Clinton's plan you are required to get healthcare even if you have to give up food to pay for it. Businesses will have to contribute or be fined. Image this, your small porn biz does not offer healthcare to you, the only employee. Your biz will be force to contribute even if it drives it into bakrupcy.

[rdynow]

Instead of seeing why it can't work, or shouldn't work, think about why we it can work and how it should work.

The way it will work is to make the entire government a socialist government.

[Squirt]

The way it will work is to make the entire government a socialist government.

Oh lord you have GOT to be joking :broccoli:

[Squirt]

The only thing I pasted was how they intended to pay for the plans

Right , you paste how they are going to pay for universal health care, then state you STILL don't know how they plan to pay for universal health care :idea:

[putosperros]

So, when Obama is leading by a small number of delegates, he is destroyed Hilary and she is in denial, but when he was down by a small number of delegates, he was surging ahead and was destined to win? Obama might win the nomination, he might not, but its as premature to call it over right now as it was when he was down by about the same number after super Tuesday.

[Squirt]

So, when Obama is leading by a small number of delegates, he is destroyed Hilary and she is in denial, but when he was down by a small number of delegates, he was surging ahead and was destined to win? Obama might win the nomination, he might not, but its as premature to call it over right now as it was when he was down by about the same number after super Tuesday.

Right the liberal media has given him a free pass. CNN MSNBC they have put down Hillary at every turn. Anything she does well doesn't matter, anything Obama does wrong is forgiven, not seen, or is labeled "attacking" him. It's unfortunate that Hillary is being shafted at every turn what she has worked for the last 35 years. I've learned a lot from this election cycle. 1) no matter who you help they will turn on you in a second for someone of their own race. 2) Relationships of the same race you have built over 35 years will turn on you in a second, in politics. 3) Nothing is fair in politics and the press is power hungry, more then you may think.

I honestly think the men in power DO NOT want a woman telling them what to do, ever, at least in America.