Debate - Do Porn Sites Kill The Fantasy

[Lee]

So we watched The Life Of David Gale a couple of nights ago and during the movie was a scene where he was explaining the psychology of 'fantasy' and that actualy started me thinking.

If a fantasy is something that we all crave even though we know we can not really expect to get it and, if we do acheive it, it no longer becomes fantasy but reality which then kills the fantasy itself.

So my question is this..

Do porn sites end up killing a surfers fantasy and, do you think this could be the reason why many surfers are no longer signing up to join paysites?

Afterall, if you have a surfer looking to find pictures of naked school teachers for example, and you deliver them a site catering to their fantasy... why would they stick around? The fantasy has now become reality.

Should we be building paysites that only give out so much content that fulfills the average surfers fantasy when they join to actually KEEP them recurring?

Personally i have thought about this for a couple of days and i honestly think we should be.

How do the rest of you feel about this?

Regards,

Lee

[basschick]

i don't think we're killing the fantasy. the members aren't living the fantasy, only seeing pics and videos of it. seeing guys being tied up isn't the same as being tied up yourself or tying someone up.

if their fantasy was strongly enough a part of them that they would join a site catering only to THAT fantasy, pay month after month, and would go back again and again, they are pretty involved in that fantasy.

[Lee]

But the whole definition of a fantasy is something that is impossible (or extremely unlikely) to acheive.

Surely if they can see their 'fantasy' in images and movies when it comes to porn that makes it a possibility?

Im just throwing ideas around at the moment but im considering throwing a new site up with a limited access members area to see if it actually does have any effect on th members staying or going.

Regards,

Lee

[basschick]

maybe it depends on what you mean by a limited member area. many sites have limited member areas. they're the sites that don't retain. ars had limited trials - the guys quit in droves. socalcash has limited trials - but they're limited differently. people join the monthly quickly to get the rest - they aren't satisfied with the smaller version.

people who fantasize about jobs or careers often use those fantasies to fuel them further. i fantasize about how i would decorate my house and what that house would be like. also i have never had a sexual fantasy that i did not fulfill at some point.

also many men into porn aren't into fantasy, they're acting out an addiction. how many addicts of any type do you know who are willing to settle for less than all?

the sites i promote on revshare that have the best retention all cater to ONE niche, and have MASSES of content for that niche. more than you could surf if your surfing were only recreation. more than you could surf if it were obsession.

maybe because most people don't fulfill their fantasies, they can live them vicariously without threat by joining our sites...

[BretK]

Ok... I'll bite (just lightly behind the ear)...

My fantasies are constantly changing...

When I was in my teens just having sex was a fantasy - then in my 20's -- my fantasy was to have a 3some.. after a few 3somes -- group sex was the next step.. after that.. group sex while other guys were watching .. which in my early 30's led to videotaping myself and my partner.. . etc.etc

Now what? I find I am getting into watching others having sex... so, I suppose there's the other side of the coin to explore.. and who knows after that. Sex is only as limited as your imagination..

Sex is an exploration of ones self and their partner(s).. porn can never replace the actual physical act of being with someone..

I don't think porn kills a surfer's fantasy.. I find it just gives me ideas.. and yes, it's a nice release -- when there's no one else around to explore with ..

But I hope I never get to the point in my life where watching a few videos online fulfills all my fantasies. And if I ever live to be 70 (hopefully, with lots of botox in hand) I'm sure I come up with a few new twists along the way.

Just my 7 inches,

Bret

[Lee]

Ok... I'll bite (just lightly behind the ear)...

Speak to Brian about that

My fantasies are constantly changing...

That actually brings up another good point, i know from my own point of view my tastes in 'porn' have changed so much over the last 5 years of working with it constantly

Its almost like it does absolutely nothing for me now

Sex is an exploration of ones self and their partner(s).. porn can never replace the actual physical act of being with someone..

Agreed although to be honest im sure there are some surfers who do find porn as a replacement for real people in fact, there are even machines now that plug into PC's and get surfers off while watching porn which i find highly amusing to some extent and highly strange t the other

I don't think porn kills a surfer's fantasy.. I find it just gives me ideas.. and yes, it's a nice release -- when there's no one else around to explore with ..

You see thats what i cant seem to get my head around, again it goes back to if a fantasy is supposed to be something that would never actually happen then i agree it can give the surfer some sexual ideas however, by getting those ideas and putting them into reality doesnt it come back down to.. been there, done that.. next?

Just my 7 inches

Pics?

Regards,

Lee

[McAttack]

I don't believe they do. Porn is a mental stimulant, it's not the actual action. So in your example of school teachers. The fantasy would be to have sex with the school teacher, not see pictures of one. I dream of having a villa in spain, seeing pictures of one doesn't satisfy me and make me say "Ah that's boring".

As for limited content on a site, I doubt it would work because of the competition out there. If you see a site that says "200,000 pics" and one that says "Start with 50,000 pics and we'll add more pics every month!" the surfer will say bye bye and go with the 200,000.

I also don't think that a fantasy is something that CAN'T be achieved, I think it can be that, but it can also be something attainable.

[basschick]

lee, you got me to thinking...

i think a good site might be one that stimulates the fantasy, involving the members in what's happening in the video or pics. you can fantasize you are with this person (or people) or fantasize about meeting them, fucking them, or whatever you wish.

[djdez]

UMM, Lee. I think that's an excellent idea. You start it off. Charge people for something that doesn't deliver. Let me know how it does

Seriously, no. I think porn keeps the fantasy alive. I do not believe it fulfills any fantasy. If anything, it creates fantasies that people may not know they had.

[Lee]

I don't believe they do. Porn is a mental stimulant, it's not the actual action. So in your example of school teachers. The fantasy would be to have sex with the school teacher, not see pictures of one. I dream of having a villa in spain, seeing pictures of one doesn't satisfy me and make me say "Ah that's boring".

Yes but to some extent would fulfilling your fantasy of 'buying' a Spanish Villa not involve having to 'look' at pictures of them or even seeing them in real person? When you see several of these Villas you are not going to choose all of them but only one.. then your fantasy becomes reality.

The reality of it is.. after a year or two of owning your own Spanish Villa you may then become bored with it and want to move again.

As for limited content on a site, I doubt it would work because of the competition out there. If you see a site that says "200,000 pics" and one that says "Start with 50,000 pics and we'll add more pics every month!" the surfer will say bye bye and go with the 200,000.

But do you think surfers actually spend the time to bother about how many pics they are getting access to? As Basschick mentioned above, if these surfers are truly into hat fantasy the sheer fact they are able to see even a few pics is somehting that will have them joining surely?

I also don't think that a fantasy is something that CAN'T be achieved, I think it can be that, but it can also be something attainable.

Well by definition a fantasy is something that is impossible to acheive or, at the very least not likely to happen (world peace for example).

This is turning into a good thread actually

Regards,

Lee

[Lee]

Originally posted by basschick
i think a good site might be one that stimulates the fantasy, involving the members in what's happening in the video or pics. you can fantasize you are with this person (or people) or fantasize about meeting them, fucking them, or whatever you wish.

Like first person perspective porn

Actually Gary and i have spoken about this before, kind of like where one of the models wears a camera around his head and thats what takes the movie as well as having this guy also take the stills content.

Personally i think it would sell great

Regards,

Lee

[basschick]

1.The creative imagination; unrestrained fancy.

5.An imagined event or sequence of mental images, such as a daydream, usually fulfilling a wish or psychological need.

ah, good ol' dictionary.com

why can't an imagined sequence be fulfilled at some point?

[Gary-Alan]

Originally posted by djdez
UMM, Lee. I think that's an excellent idea. You start it off. Charge people for something that doesn't deliver. Let me know how it does

HAHAHA YOU WISH! LMAOPIP

LOL,
Gary-Alan

[Lee]

Originally posted by djdez
UMM, Lee. I think that's an excellent idea. You start it off. Charge people for something that doesn't deliver.

Why wouldnt it deliver?

You tell the surfer they are getting access to a members area.. which they are however the members area withholds any of the money shots on movies and only uses a certain amount of stills.

If they want to see all the action they thy need to 'upgrade' their membership to full.

Its no different in essence to what many of the larger PPS affiliate programs do now with their trial options.. think of it as an upsell if that makes it any better to bear

For example.. AEBN feeds in a members area.. they have upsells attached to them to outweigh the cost of the feeds.. whether you choose to utilize them or not.. it is already happening.

Regards,

Lee

[djdez]

Originally posted by Lee
Why wouldnt it deliver?

You tell the surfer they are getting access to a members area.. which they are however the members area withholds any of the money shots on movies and only uses a certain amount of stills.

If they want to see all the action they thy need to 'upgrade' their membership to full.

Its no different in essence to what many of the larger PPS affiliate programs do now with their trial options.. think of it as an upsell if that makes it any better to bear

For example.. AEBN feeds in a members area.. they have upsells attached to them to outweigh the cost of the feeds.. whether you choose to utilize them or not.. it is already happening.

Regards,

Lee

That's a far cry from what you said originally.