There are far worse sites that promote violence and killing openly and nobody seems to shut those down
Just check this one
There are far worse sites that promote violence and killing openly and nobody seems to shut those down
Just check this one
At a guess id say reporting 15-20% lower than when we were part of the site / programOriginally Posted by Xstr8guy
Regards,
Lee
so bareback sites, gay ones where the models are or not poz, fuck, and do all kinds of shit, glorify it unsafe sex and what not, spread disease on purpose, they should probably be banned too
no?
Jigg,
The difference is, barebacking ISNT illegal
Rape, simulated rape and cp, are
Regards,
Lee
simulated rape is ilegal?
Let me get this right.... if someone simulates rape act (like women simulate orgasm), they are taken to prison?
I mean ... this must be the silliest thing I've heard so far....
Remember Verotel has no offical verification process. There rules have become alot more strict recently due to the reputation they have obtained for billing for "teenage sites". If someone sent an email to Danny over in risk at Verotel they would probably not authorize such a website.
In general I have noticed CCbill to be billing for the most questionable websites out there. One time I even ran across a website advertising 15 year old guys on webcam which was billed by CCBill. I dropped a complaint in to CCbill and they never responded.
The questionable sites sneak up everywhere. People switch content periodically, spam the site, then switch back. Pretty sad existance for them I think.
This thread has been pretty interesting in that so many people had opinions about a site they didn't even see the members area of, or the actual content it contained that was so "offensive". It is a lame site with lame content but not near as vile as some of the other links I posted in this thread.
Well, don't forget about the HBO series "OZ"..I mean..raping took place a lot and they got sent to prison for that!"
I find this to be one of those "tempest in a teapot" things. BIG DEAL! There are FAR more important issues to deal with that are harmful to the gay webmaster community on the net than this one site.
I mean..who hasn't "simulated" something like rape once in real life with your boyfriend/trick because it was titillating..but dang..don't put something on a website that we do in real life because it's WRONG!
I look for VICTIMS in sites that should be shut down. I find no victims here other than the subscribers.
Simulated rape ISN'T illegal or Extreme associates would have lost their case.Jigg,
The difference is, barebacking ISNT illegal
Rape, simulated rape and cp, are
Regards,
LeeAs of now simulated rape is legal, as it's always been, until the supreme court says differently.
I don't watch CSI but I watch the news with my kid and the other day the guy started talking about Michael Jackson sucking on kids nipples and other obscene things. I was shocked & embarrassed. Talk about public decency. And then there’s all this “the Pope is dead” coverage. Parading a corpse around for everyone on earth to see and smell then talking about what a good man he was to tell his followers not use condoms, spreading AIDS in Africa.
It's funny watching people pass judgment about these sites when half the ones judging either have sites with extreme stuff on it, or promote sites that do. I’m a G rated pornographer. No raunchy yucky stuff on my sites.
Squirt - simulated rape isn't illegal, but it is very close. the prosecution is appealing the extreme decision, and you never know - they may win. btw, on another note, visa will not process for faked rape sites, which is why ccbill and epoch won't handle it.
as far as a disclaimer INSIDE the member area - well, i sure won't join a possible rape site just to see if they have a disclaimer.
susanna - to the best of my knowledge, making someone appear as a minor is not illegal. there were discussions, and a law, but i believe that law was blocked.
Right. We agree. Simulated rape videos aren't illegal.
Going back to the site again, we all see the disclaimer on the front of the home page. A very lengthy one. As well as a dorky disclaimer spoken by the models on video tape saying they are paid actors etc. etc.
I want to make something clear here. I don't like simulated rape, and a lot of other kinky stuff, or real hardcore S&M. I think violence, or underage persons, being associated with sexual activity is a dangerous combination. I think producing content like that can facilitate people acting out those fantasies in real life. I am only defending the site Lee attacked here because if you were going to do a site like that and cover your ass, these guys did it right, plus I like to have an informed opinion based on fact, not one made of assumptions. :thumbsup: If you were being judged, wouldn't you want to be judged that way?
Squirt - VISA does not process for simulated rape sites. verotel is risking the income of everyone who uses them as a processor by processing for this site.
and ya wanna see a tour where they want you to know no models were harmed during the videos? check out http://www.hogtied.com/updates/full0.php
each last pic is a smiling pic of the model after the shoot, some very obviously at the end of the shoot. now, that's the way to do it.
U.S Visa regulations in the adult arena are different then the rest of the worlds. This has been the topic of discussion many times and has been stated by Visa themselves previously.
The site Lee was attacking, has the models saying to your face, before every video clip, that's it's fake. Not pictures of them smiling afterward, dorky video of them before saying it's fake etc. For you to say Verotel is risking the income of every customer by processing for that site, then giving links to a Paycom site that processes them, indicates you think Paycom is risking everyones income by processing for that rape simulation site.
My problem with sites like this being allowed, is it opening doors for sites that have real rape scenes, and catering to a crowd that is interested in raping men.
Think of it this way, a "studio" invites over an 18 year old guy, explains to him that he will be starring in a really tame sex scene in an adult film, and that adult related laws have gotten really strict. They ask him to please state aloud on camera a disclaimer, saying is it consensual, he is of age, etc. They then begin interviewing him, meanwhile, another "star" of the film does come up behind him, use cloroform on him, and have his way with him. When he wakes up, upset and disoriented, they say "how can you press charges? You've signed release forms, we have you on film saying you consented and it's all fake." Bad news IMO. Anything that portrays nonconsensual sex acts should be against any processors TOS to avoid this sort of situation. You can bet it does happen, just like young guys are raped through gay.com and other hookup sites everyday. "Who are you going to tell? Your parents?" still works.
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