I am new here, need advice from you

Hello everyone I am new to the board, I am trying to figure out a few things about the gay market. We have shot some gay/bi sexual dvds, our bisexual ones have done really well but our gay ones haven't taken off as I thought they would. When we shoot a scene it ranges between 12 to 15 minutes long, do you think I should make my scenes longer? Also, all the actors we have used are actually bi-sexual men, we have actually never use just "gay" actors for our gay dvds, only bisexual ones. Does this make any difference or am I just crazy?

Please help!!!!!


Mari, Triple X

Neither the length of the scene nor the sexuality of the models are necessarily the problem, per se. I think we need to see some sample clips.

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Originally Posted by Triple X

Hello everyone I am new to the board, I am trying to figure out a few things about the gay market. We have shot some gay/bi sexual dvds, our bisexual ones have done really well but our gay ones haven't taken off as I thought they would. When we shoot a scene it ranges between 12 to 15 minutes long, do you think I should make my scenes longer? Also, all the actors we have used are actually bi-sexual men, we have actually never use just "gay" actors for our gay dvds, only bisexual ones. Does this make any difference or am I just crazy?

Please help!!!!!


Mari, Triple X

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Well, if a guy is having sex with a guy, I don't think it matters if he's bi, you can sell it as gay. If a straight guy is just jerking off, you can sell it as straight or gay or bi. If you have a girl and two guys, you can sell that as bi for the guys and straight for the girls. I think that it doesn't REALLY matter what they really are, whatever the CONTENT shows is what it should be sold as.
KissMe
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I agree show some samples and get feedback. There are few producers here that im sure will advise you.

Welcome aboard!!:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :donmike: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

welcome to the board :)

Hi Triple X. Welcome to GWW.

It's hard to really tell what is going on with your clips without seeing them. It's not really an issue of them being bi if they are both getting into what they are doing. Randy Blue shoots a lot of straight guys having sex and it's never an issue with our members. However, if the guys you are shooting are going at it like they are just doing it for money and not really getting into it then you'll definitely be turning people off. Or if the lighting is bad or the camera is out of focus. It's hard to tell without seeing them, but these are things off the top of my head that might turn people off.

Two straight men fucking each other is a gay video.

I notice when the models are enjoying themselves or if they are just doing it for the money and can't wait for the scene to be over. If your actors are "Bi" and they are properly paired [or whatever number] with partners, AND they are doing it not just for the money but because they have an element of exhibitionism in their personalities, AND all the lighting and camera is good, then you can still look to marketing and the type of traffic or consumers that are looking and not buying.

Lots of factors to consider. You really need to show clips if you want well-reasoned critiques.

Just for the sake of argument, are your models TRULY Bi or just the "Bi Now, Gay Later" variety?? ;-)

The other issue to consider is the traffic that's seeing your content. It's entirely possible that your scenes are perfectly fine, but the traffic to your site or VOD or whatever aren't looking for gay content and therefore aren't really interested in looking at it.

Another element: According to the people I've talked with at GFY, straight porn typically has strong dominance of the male over the female and a lot of dirty talk that shows that dominance ("How do you like this you little slut? Take it harder. I'm going to cum all over your face"... that sort of thing) because the straight male wants to fantasize about dominating the female in the scene. Some gay content still has some elements of that, but except in certain niches, on the whole it tends to be less dominant We've all seen some disastrous tours where straight webmasters attempted to apply the same techniques/language/terminology from straight tours to the gay market... and then wondered why it didn't convert.

If it's physical product, box graphics make a tremendous difference as well.

perhaps your titles, models and/or covers are the problem. after all, the surfers haven't seen the videos till after they buy so it has to be something that shows up front as unappealing to them. either that or you have less gay traffic.

I want to thank you all for your advise. I have received advise from people outside of the web board as well and when I take everything into account, I believe I just need to work on my box covers. All of your advise was very helpful. I thank you for taking the time to help a girl with this dilema.


Mari

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Originally Posted by KissMe

If a straight guy is just jerking off, you can sell it as straight or gay or bi.

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Whether or not the guy is gay... If the audience you're marketing to is gay, then it's gay content. :)

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Originally Posted by KissMe

If you have a girl and two guys, you can sell that as bi for the guys and straight for the girls.

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If you have two guys doing eachother, and a girl (who's really just there for show) then it's bi. But really I think it's gay content for those who don't want to completely come out of the closet.

I've had plenty a model say they're bi when they introduce themselves, and then when I put on the straight porno they're limp as a wet noodle. I'll switch it to gay porn, and they're on like a light.

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hi dee ho Triple X:french: