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Hi
I now have ccbill
You now have 2 options to join pay per sign up or 50/50 of all rebills
please go to this link and sign up to the new program we are no longer using myvirutalcard they are horrible to use
ccbill will be online in 1 hour
http://www.pierrefitchonline.com/dollars/signup.html
thank you very much for you time and hope you become a affiliate
pierre fitch
pierre - if you are offering a one-time 100% payout through ccbill, you'll have to charge more than $29.95 to pay $30 per join - you'd have to charge i think $34.95 to cover the cost of ccbill processing and you would have to pay all processing fees, which you would have to do in your ccbill admin.
is this price and option what you are doing?
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Originally Posted by basschick
I was thinking about doing about the same thing, well they not just take the extra amount from your others sales on that account?
Bass,
I was paying out $25 on a 14.95 membership w/ a 3 month at $29.95 signup page.
SOME webmasters I gave $35 to.
As long as Pierre knows his numbers as far as retention and he should. He can do it.
Pierre, expect some signups real soon....
Oh sorry.
Pierre you may wanna get rid of the $35 thing....
Instead of $35 one time do a 3 months at $60.
Advertsise it as buy 2 get 1 free....
Sorry Bass missed it was one time...
With Ccbill Max, and you offer Pay Per Signup you need to show them the cash somehow. If you have a ton of members already and decide to do persignup they use to allow you to use that revenue that you already had as collateral. A new program that paid say $30 on a $5 trial, you need to show them the money. they wont wait until your rebills cover webmaster payouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
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Originally Posted by abostonboy
Well I was not thinking about going that low, I was more thinking a flat payment of 25$ on a 24.95 join do you think they would give me to much trouble with that at first? Before I did not even think it was a big deal at all, but now that guy guys are talking about it I just though it might be a good idea to ask.
Bass, he can do the $30 a join on a 29.95 signup. If his retention is there. And Ccbill oks it. He wont make it in month 1. I am sure they asked him to deposit money. Or they feel comfortable. If that's what you are thinking. Ccbill monitors their paypersignup webmasters very closely.
My friends old site
http://euboys.com/
http://www.euboys.com/webmaster/overview.htm
He paid $25 for a 19.95 w/ ccbll. Had no problems at all. Made a ton a few years back.
I was paying $25 on a $15 membership. You just need to show them some cash.
What worries me is the one time $35
His profit potential is way to low.
This is one of the first CCbill programs that I am actually excited about.
What is your concern? That you will make money or ccbill will approve it?Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Max,
Call Patrick at Ccbill. Ask them. Patrick will get an answer for you. He's the guy I always dealt with. That guy will go out of his way for you. :)
people here will speculate. but If you have a paysite and are grossing 5k a month already and have a track record. It's beter than you just going in with no memebrs and saying I wanna do a persignup.
pierre started with ccbill today. he doesn't yet know what his retention will be with them, and since mvc made cancelling more difficult, this may affect his rentention.
since he's live twice a week, i expect he'll do okay, but i think he should have some numbers before he offers out of pocket money per signup.
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Originally Posted by abostonboy
The problem is, he cant know what his retention is because his last processor ONLY showed a maximum of 2 weeks data.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
Couple that with the fact that Pierre has only been running 'adult' sites for about 3 months and im sure you can see why offering any type of PPS program, no matter what the payout or cost of membership is right now, is a bad idea, for him at this moment in time.
Not everyone on the GWW Community has the same skill sets as you do yet, you treat everyone like they do, we have a vast mix of community members ranging from newer webmasters who, really shouldnt be launching their own paysites yet to webmasters who have been doing this for years who still dont have their own sites.
I appreciate that in terms of GWW you are relatively 'new' to us and wont know who does and who doesnt have what specific skills but, as with your post a day or two back, by telling everyone that they can make a lot of money using the PPS business model, you are going to force a lot of people out of business rather than helping them grow their business.
Just because PPS works for you, that doesnt mean it works for everyone and, id hazard a guess that when you launch your 'program' whenever its due, you will begin to see how much the industry has changed in the last 2 years while you have been gone, it hasnt sat around waiting for you, the dynamics of the industry have changed, it isnt just about how much you pay affiliates these days.
You really do seem to be under the impression that during the last 2 years while you were off playing poker that the industry stood still, trust me, it hasnt, it has evolved, its dynamics have changed... Drastically and, i really do feel you will be in for a rude awakening when you launch your program and finally realize this.
As i mentioned in another thread, programs come and go everyday, PPS programs launch on an almost daily basis, they are nothing new, we've seen them all before and, we'll continue to see them.
PPS isnt the be-all and end-all of running a successful program that you seem to be under the impression it is, it might have been 2 years ago but, i guarantee you, it isnt today.
Sorry if this post comes off as being confrontational, it really isnt meant to, im just starting to get a little frustrated (as i know some others are) at your constant 'my way or the highway' definitive way of doing things. Especially when your way isnt the correct way for an awful lot of people on GWW.
As im sure Gary would have told you a couple of years ago, just because something works for you, that is no guarantee it will work for me and vice-versa.
Regards,
Lee
No problem Lee.
But in all honestly a $30 webmaster signup to a $30 membership is not a TRUE PPS model. And the risk is not as bad as it MAY seem.
A true PPS model is $30 to a $4.95 ish trial.
Basschick,
I would rather see him drop the $30 PPS than raise the price to $35.
MAYBE even Lee has enough sense to know that once you hit the $30 bracket signups drop considerably.
Lee,
Even if his old processor only gave two weeks stats he can still tell what the vlue of each members was.
Total net divided by number of signups = conseravtive cost per member as many are still going to recur. Having only two weeks stats makes no difference.
Lee,
Anyone who offers a PPS membership is a thorn in your side.
True enough but, if those $30 sales are your primary source of income, the risk is substantially higher than what it may be to yourself or I.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
Only if he has a significant amount of signups to collate that data from and, even then, 2 weeks, imho, really isnt enough of a time frame to work out any significant data, especially if the member doesnt rebill for 4 weeks from the initial join and you only get to see the sales figures ;)Quote:
Even if his old processor only gave two weeks stats he can still tell what the vlue of each members was.
Regards,
Lee