Link List and FREE porn

I posted this on a thread where me and max did somethung not cool. But I just want to know how you all fee about Link List traffic.

I didnt write to criticize any of the link listas from their business model, it is very sound. A model that I repect.

Here is what I posted,


I agree with the free tgp thing, and was excited about tgp2 (which bombed). Movie/reality sites with video really offer quality tgp porn now as well.

I use to like Link List traffic a lot. As a webmaster submiiting sites, but even link list have fallen into the tgp game to some extent and just offer a shitload of free porn.

As the links list evolve from what they use to be into the communities they are now, it's harder than ever to convert the traffic if you are a submitter.

I can't blame them as they realize a while ago that with new technolgy they can better capture the surfers dollar before they even hit a free site. And the surfers that actually hit a free site are not much better quality traffic than tgp.

Examples include the evolution of justusboys (and I admire the owners very musch when they had 1,000s and 1,000s of free exhibtions pics mostly to their evolving eye candy into what it is - a really clean tgp. To the site reviews, blog entries etc. What traffic finally hits the link list and goes out is mostly more people looking for free porn. Not much better than tgp traffic, as the chanes a surfer has been exposed to differnet forms of paysite upsells is immense. Good for the LL owner, a bit harder for the newbie webmasters.

Other Link Lists are doing this as well. It adds more to the bottom line of the LL owner.

Example. I was surfing my favorite LL and found a free site with a sponsor. Rather than join from the free site. I knew that gaydemon would have a review. So I went and read the review and joined from the review.

So, yes to paysite woner LL traffic is good. And in my cae of joining the conversions are probably good as well. But for the free site I visited. I lookaed at his pics, saw his sponsor, read a review from gaydemon and joined via the review.

What did that newbie webmaster get out of it? Nothing really?

Or if i really just want to get off, I could goto eyecandy and see enough seancody or corbin or whatever galleries and probably do the same. When cross referenced like that its so easy for the person just looking for free porn, even more easier in some ways than a tgp as the galleries for that site are all marked. Check out all eye candy for site xyz.

At least w/ tgp's it is a little more diffucult to find 20 galleries of site xyx all lined up.

Bottom line: limiting free porn was tried w/ tgp2 and failed. Now its not just tgp's but link list through there gallery sections that are offering the same free content found on TGP's. I understand that they have to maximize their traffic base to a model that makes them money. It's just harder for the newbie webmaster to make a sale. Instead of creating 5 sites for x amount of sales it may take 20 OR great skill in creating a traffic trap in your own network to filter the traffci through.

Who knows what it will be like two years from now.

BTW, I am not critcizing justusboys or gaydemon as they are two of my favorite sites. Just offering an opinion based on my traffic to these and others that they are fidning better ways to maxamize their traffic to sponsors befor it even hits a free site. Very sound business.

Even site like Hunkhunter that offer the awards for best sites that are posted everywhere make it harder to make a sale.

That's why my advice is think nice niche niche. It's the best way to make money.

And to reply in somewhat to lee's post before he blasted Max.

I truly beieve that the best way for a "newbie" to make money is to come into the industry in a niche that he was a surfer for. A niche where he knows who lists the content he likes. A niche where he has seen all the free TGP galleries, free sites, paysites, etc.

He already has experience. He has seen it all. And since he enjoys the niche his dedication to make it work will be very vauable.

But having a newbie get advice that XYZ niche is the most popular and goes head in not knowing anything about it. He will have atough time no matter what.

I started with site in a niche I loved and surfed and knew lots about. I knew what urned me on in that niche, and ultimately what turns me on enought to buy will turn others on as well.

That's a good starting point. Pick a niche you love and are willing to make it work. With enough devotion, I believe you will succed no matter if u start with tgp, Ll, or whatever u decide to do. Success is related to determination.

Many of the most successfull webmaster have fallen flat on theur face many times before. It's about your belief and yourself and drive that determines ulimately if you will succed.