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Was just wondering what everyone thought the single most damaging thing to the adult industry was to date?
Regulation? Laws? Processing? Content? Or something else?
Just curious to see what everyones opinion was on this after a conversation i just had.
Regards,
Lee
Personally I think its the devaluation of content, once you give content away for free what do you think its worth then too viewers? :penny:
Lee,
This is a good question. There are actually many factors. I will post when I actually have time to think about it.
My first response would have to be us webmasters ourselfs. We are our own worst enemy. I will explain on that later... :)
Online theft of content and free porn. Makes it hard to sell when people are giving it away for free! ;-)
Only way to battle FREE is to make really good original content that people want and then to protect it like hell.
We get coupons for free food/samples all the time. If you like it, when it's gone you buy more. Quantity of FREE porn is an issue. Theft of content can be a benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titanmen
Protect it like hell? You mean disable the right click?
Over protecting content is one thing that is killing this industry...
Let's be honest with ourselves here.
If we can't build sites the surfers are willing to pay $30 a month to belong to what are we doing wrong?
Are our sites not good enough to warrant $30?
Well a lot are simply not, the worse thing that ever hit this industry was "Exclusive Amateur" content. It led to 1,000s of site owners shooting content themselves or getting some idiot to shoot it for them for peanuts. Plus sites without enough content to justify a months viewing. Unless your site contains 60 videos and 150 sets which are GOOD your site is not good value for a month.
The most damaging thing this industry ever did was to value affiliates above members, traffic above content.
When you value a busker giving away freebies at the bottom of the street more highly than the people paying his wages you do yourself, the customer and THE BUSKER a major disservice.
Why does this industry convert at 1 to 1,000? Because we have not got something 999 are willing to spend money on. Who's fault is that?
A huge threat is the internet's move towards user created content and the technology and sites that make it possible.
Porn sites used to bridge the gap between the beautiful people and those who lust over them. The new internet writes us out of the picture in that regard.
Nowadays though the use of MySpace you've got an unlimited number of hot people to contact directly. That's something most types of porn sites never even allowed.
That's not porn, but consider that even just 5 years ago you needed to be a webmaster to put stuff online. Not anymore. The emergence of digital cameras, webcams, blogs, free pic and video hosting, profile sites, social networks, etc... leave open the possibility that future development of these things could lead to self-produced adult material that does compete with the industry. In fact we are already starting to see it now.
Why should someone pay $6 a minute to watch a guy on F4F when there are hot guys on cam in Yahoo chat? And these guys are real, not cyber hustlers.
You don't need to join a single model site and pay $30 a month for his friendship when such guys are now easily found on MySpace.
This sort of stuff will never kill porn because of the production quality issue, but I think they can give us a serious hit down the road.
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Not to be offensive but you are a content provider and a str8 one at that, you “opinion” is mainly coming from the fact you what to sell your content and not have people make their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Talk about an opening. One might be tempted to say Maxpower here but I won't do that. Not me. Nope... me a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
I think in many ways it is what Paul alluded to in his post. We are placing a lot more emphasis on affiliates in place of customers and I would also say we are rushing to get sites out the door than taking our time in developing them with proper good content shot by those who know how. Some amateur might do okay, but for my money, the pro knows more and will be cheaper too without the added wastage an amateur would have.
Personally though I think what has damaged our business the most is not accepting that it is a business.
my 2 cents
So what do you see as a solution? Applying for a job at MacDonald's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
You could never compete with people who will give it away for free and if you think the Internet invented free porn and free sex you really are kidding yourself. Especially in the Gay arena. There has been bath houses where Gay guys could get all the free sex they want, yet Gay hookers have always earned a living. This also fits straight guys in 2006 and hookers still make money.
They dO it by giving something extra.
No offense but your statement said nothing. If you think I'm wrong tell us all. Are am I not allowed to be right because I'm straight and a content provider?Quote:
Not to be offensive but you are a content provider and a str8 one at that, you “opinion” is mainly coming from the fact you what to sell your content and not have people make their own
What I'm saying is "IF YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH WHAT PEOPLE GIVE AWAY FOR FREE, GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS. IT'S OUTGROWN YOU."
The novelty of Internet porn has gone, it's now an accepted method of porn delivery. Spending on porn is still massive and I doubt if it's going down. But the Internet is now culling itself of a lot of sites that simply do not compete in 2006. If you want to be a survivor compete with what's for free by giving the end user a better deal.
That goes in the straight market as well as the Gay market.
paul, i like amateur content and i've seen some amateur sites out there that totally rock, not only because they are really REALLY sexy but also because i like they are entertaining. and i've seen plenty of sites get a good start with 20 movies and pic sets that retain like crazy - in gay or str8.
most sites are the same old niches, same old themes, heck - half the time they also have the same old models. i love creativity - sites like armpitlover.com and dirtyjason.com may not totally break the mold, but they both have ideas i haven't seen a million times. and that rocks!
I will tell you a solution but your not going to like it :) if the 10 or so gay content providers would start getting stricter about the images they let people use in free and avs sites that would go a long way or at least start turning some of this around. How about only allowing 50 images a set “normally the first 50” and only really low quality images be used in free and AVS sites, adding more value to our members sites. Now I know you will not like that cuzz it might mean less sales for you guy at the start, but if you ask me its a good way to keep your stuff fresh for us.
Why do you think people have to make their own content? I will tell you its because most of this studio content is way over exposed now. Hell with in less than a year I will have to start creating all my own content just because there is not enough of what I need and what you guys do have is over exposed. I really do not want to have to create my own content that is not my job as I see it, but what can I do, you guys can not provide me with enough good twink content to even fill a few sites. Most of the studios don’t even know what a twink is they think its any frat guy under 30.
As I look at it the greedy studios created most of this problem, and in the end are going to pay the price for it to.
Sorry I am in a bad mood its just with the holiday BS my bank is dicking me around
I have nothing against Amateur content, in fact made a fortune from it over the years. Why do people always assume I am talking about amateur when I say compete?Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
The problem is Amateur on the Internet is often used as an excuse for bad.
Amateur means doing it for the fun, the thrill, personal goals, improving ones self without the prospect of financial rewards. When it comes to porn it means people fucking for the sheer hell of it, like a swingers party.
An "amateur porn" buyer is often looking for something to remind of him of the Girl/Boy Next Door, Readers Wives/Husbands or someone who will fuck for the sheer thrill of it. Some people try to use it to produce a fantasy of an Amateur shooter taking pictures/video of professionals. The professional models often look bored, detached and unfuckable.
Now there is nothing wrong with this fantasy, I've met hundreds of guys who would like my life, but they fantasize I fuck a lot of the models. Something some "Amateur" niche guys do not project. But again nothing wrong with this. Except it's over supplied.
The Law of Supply and Demand apply to the Adult Internet as they do to everywhere else. If a product is in an over supply situation related to the demand, sales suffer. I make a lot of money not because everyone wants to buy my style of porn, it's because few can shoot it.
Now you can all tell me how arrogant I am and flame me without showing where this post is wrong, but could you also point me to other non exclusive content providers who shoot like we do please.