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PersianKitty was one of the first porn sites I went to over 10 years ago. Now JustUsBoys.com is getting as much traffic as them. That is a huge accomplishment. They also get way more traffic than MenOnTheNet too. Are they the highest gay traffic site?
Mark
That’s a really huge accomplishment
I'd be surprised if they were even in the top 10.
they have an active community, which other sites of this type do not, so i think comparing jub numbers to regular link and review site numbers is a little misleading.
Hit the nail on the head their Patti.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Yes and no. They get huge numbers of visitors, quite impressive really. But I haven't found that I get much traffic from them when I submit AVS galleries to their index. I get some, and quite reasonable numbers. But I get way more traffic from Gay Demon.
However, that's also a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Gay Demon has better traffic for real men, bears, and piggy sex than JUB does. Hunk Hunter did well for me for a well, but then I started to notice my ad wasn't pulling in as much traffic. (Maybe it was stale.)
Likewise if I submit a bear and a Euro boy site to Mancheck, my bear site will fair better than my Euro boy will. And if I submit the same bear site to UGAS, I likely won't make a UGAS sale, but I'll sell more secondary sponsors that are on my FPAs or member's pages. My secondary sponsors don't fair nearly as well on Mancheck.
So you see, not all 10-inch cocks are the same. I think it's unwise to just look at the top five sites with the biggest trafic and expect that you'll get the same results from all of them. Just because a site gets 1 million visitors a day doesn't mean you'll see any of the traffic. And you always have to try new things because sometimes you'll find surprises.
Michael
Yeah, Mark, there are some gay sites out there with more traffic than us for sure...like Gay.com and some of the big personals sites. Hookup traffic is huge.
It's sounds like the responses to your question are not talking about how much traffic we have on our site...to our site, which I think was your question But, how much traffic we can send out to others. I have no idea whatsoever on how much traffic we send compared to others. We have a lot of folks that tell us we are their top affiliate so I think we probably do ok. We send out well over 100 sales a day and not nearly a thousand, so somewhere in between.. ha ha.
As Dzinerbear said though, I think you'll get better traffic from different places depending on what their audience wants. Coming to us for AVS traffic isn't going to give you good results. The AVS industry is dead. There are peanuts to be made but as a whole that business model doesn't work for anyone anymore. It certainly doesn't work for our members and therefore doesn't work for us. I also think the traditional directory model is a loosing proposition overall. Look at any major linkslist (gay or straight) and track their traffic over the last 2 years on alexaholic.com (not an exact science but a good aproximator of how one site compares against another). You'll see big drops on sites like PersianKitty or stagnant growth on most others. There are few exceptions. So coming to us for promotion in our directory isn't going to be a windfall for you. You'll pick up some sales and seeing how there is almost no effort to submit... it is still worth it, but neither of us are going to get rich on it.
Traffic is in blogs. It is in reviews. It is in having eyeballs on a page. If you have enough people on a page they will buy. I think we have quality traffic. We do decent 7 figures in affiliate income which isn't half bad, but I think we are still just scratching the surface. There are a whole lot of folks out there who still don't know us which is why we hit the pride festivals, advertise in lots of magazines, have our own mag, do the gay expos, sponsor events and parties, post on the webmaster boards and try to make people happy and not screw anyone over.
Anyway, I've overdone it in my response as usual... but if you aren't getting traffic from JUB and you want some... let us promote your paysite with exclusive content. Give us Eye Candy so we can blog on you. Then make sure your site converts well so we can push you in our spotlights and banners. There are lots of affiliates out there that we send over a hundred signups to each month, but they are paysites with exclusive content and almost always have their own merchant account with cascading. Part of the job is on our side to send the traffic, but converting that traffic with a solid program is more on your side.
Mark... You have a site that works for us. You have hot content, you update often, its a niche people on our site are interested in, you have your own merchant account, and you cascade. Thats probably why we do so well for you, but I could send that same traffic elsewhere and might not make anything at all. Anyway maybe that sheds some light on why we do well some places and not others. A site that doesn't do well for us probably does great somewhere else ;)
While this isn't the point of this thread, I strongly disagree with this statement. What I will concede to is that the old AVS model is dead, that is, three pictures on a page with a "Buy This" kind of model is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustBryce
I still make heaps of money in AVS, but I also put way more work into my galleries than most webmasters are willing to. I buy original and stock photographer, write stories, and write hot, come-on copy, and work hard to keep the traffic circulating in my hub.
As paysites became more popular most AVS webmasters didn't change with the flow and try new things on their AVS galleires. And many AVS webmasters never wanted to buy any content, so they just shot themselves in the head.
I do agree that AVS is a harder sell than say a Randy Blue or Fratmen membership, especially if the AVS doesn't spend a lot of money on their premium product, but it's not impossible to make a good a living pushing AVS, you just have to know how to do it.
Cheers,
Michael
Yup Michael. That makes perfect sense to me. I'm probably jaded because we started out as AVS webmasters. Two years ago AVS income was 95% of our revenue and today is it under 5%. So it is dead to me I guess, ha ha.
But you are right and it all has to do with what you put into it and I stand corrected. I should have thought better of that statement because it was more categorical than what I really believe.
I was talking to the CEO of a major AVS over lunch a couple of weeks ago. We are their biggest affiliate, but only as far as the checks they send every month... not new sales. We are still pulling in rebills from the old days, but have made only a dozen sales for them in the last couple of months. They wanted to know why we didn't push them anymore.
I told him that we are more of a traffic company now and if I can send traffic to a site like Intense Cash paying $25 on a trial, or Randy Blue paying $55, or Pride Bucks, Silver Cash, Top Bucks, Platinum Bucks, etc. etc... and not have to do hardly any work. Why wouldn't I do that?
I could do a whole lot of work and make an AVS site, but then I only get 60% (or whatever) but I have to buy the content, keep the site updated, make marketing materials. It's like making a paysite without the benefits of having a paysite. I'm certainly not going to get the signups off of their own links list anymore. So I work really hard... but its almost like I have my own paysite but pay them 40% to do my processing. Granted my customers would have access to the other sites in the program, but like you said most webmasters didn't change with the flow and shot themselves in the head, so my customers would probably have slim pickens in even that regard...but if I sent that traffic to a paysite, the paysite owner is doing almost all the work.
You do really well with AVS (AEN), but it's because you get it and know exactly what you are doing.
I should have been more specific about that. I misspoke. Sorry :)
One thing that's clear - was evident when I was primarily an affiliate myself promoting sponsors on in to when I started focusing entirely on running membership sites myself - is that it's of immeasurable value for a traffic site/affiliate site to really have something to offer themselves beyond just banners.
What JustUsBoys has done incredibly well is create a community of their own - a site and network of sites (entire brand, with their magazine and other offerings, even) - that is a destination unto itself.
Every single reciprocal link to JustUsBoys that is out there on the web today could be taken down and JUB would still get, as well as send, great traffic. People go there on their own and have compelling reasons to do so. As far as CorbinFisher.com's best-performing affiliates go, the same is true for all of them. They're not playing the "Submit... get traffic... filter it through to sponsors... submit again... get traffic... filter it through to sponsors... rinse... repeat" game. They're getting the traffic, keeping the traffic, refining and culturing the traffic, and adding new traffic on top of it regularly. Over the course of a year, they will send the same surfer to countless different sponsors because that surfer keeps coming back to them, clicking through, coming back, clicking through.
At the risk of ruffling some feathers, sites like JUB and other affiliates who put some real and original effort in to culturing their traffic and setting themselves apart from others are the only ones worthy of 50% commissions these days. Quite frankly, an affiliate who does nothing but send what I call "accidental surfers" (which is to say, there was no real reason that surfer started out at that affiliate's site and ended up at the sponsor's site other than pure chance and those just happened to be the links they clicked on and where they ended up) doesn't deserve 50% of a sale.
I certainly understand why you added AVS sites to your mix like 2 years ago, did think it would help out some of the quality of your traffic. But AVS in general has been committing suicide for years, I mainly just deal with them allot of time now just out of habit. Personally I blame UGAS most for this, but sure some of the blame can go around. They had a few problems before this whole( No AVS thing) but after that they rolled over and died. I also do not think removing most of the internal traffic they offered in favor of too many “hurdles” and way too many “rules” was another few nails in the coffin, but a complete lack of innovation on their part will be written on their tombstone. :rip:
To tell the truth I miss linkmeallover.ca that is when you guys had the #1 free site traffic in the world. But sure Mark is talking about affiliate site traffic you offer his site. The quality of the traffic was sometimes flaky, but linkmeallover.ca ROCKED (for people that submitted free sites that is) Now you guys have to pay a big staff, granted you do try to innovate, but their is much less traffic to going too the directory part of the site or well the truly independent parts. The numbers of free sites you allow/list from each webmasters at one time/week makes it hard to make it, and your rules make it hard to place your return links with some of the better free traffic.
Free traffic sources in general will be the next to go I guess, just like the AVS thing. Hate to look back at justusboys.com in the same way as UGAS now, but I do believe this will probably happen next. In the long run just like the AVS thing this is going to hurt most of us too.
Hey Bryce,
Thanks for the post. Well said. I hope didn't come across like a rabid pitbull. :0
Michael
I am running a few traffic test as we speak and them reviewing my site alone is awesome! They are huge. Congrats Andy!! and thank you!
there are quite a few bigger.