Ccbill and Text Review

I have competed some of the text I am thinking about using, I was just wondering if anyone can see problems with it? I know its hard-core and this will be a 18-21 year old twink site, but I was wondering if you think its ok, and will be expectable to Ccbill. I will be glad to change things around a bit that’s why I posted it, just that the text has to fix where is belong and has to is some cases have about the same charters in a line.




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Typical twink crap. Our boys are barely legal.. so fulfil your CP fantasies here! I think I've see those phrases used and over used on most eastern european fake TGPs, usually linked to borderline CP sites without any model age verification. You're pushing the envelope. Its just so tired.

Well you are right I am trying to push the “Hard-Core Action” “Young Legal Guys” stuff as hard as I can. I really look at it as if I am going to make a twink site I might as well push it as hard as I possibly can. I really did try to mix up the “boy” “twink” “guy” “teen” adjectives. I also by now know not everyone likes twink stuff, its just that I did not see the need to water it down because people that are going to click on a twink site normally would not have the same problems. :wtf:

Hmmm..".Ever Wanted To See, A Just Turned 18 Year Olds Virginity Disappears After The Deep Penetration Of A Excited Cock?"

I have to say that I really WOULD LIKE TO see an 18 year old VIRGIN boy...:rolleyes: and on top of that he waited 18 years to have sex, just to have it online... geeeze....

Well was really taking the first time they had sex with a guy, You are right its all BS but did want to work the whole virgin, first time, stuff in as much as I could. But then again I am sure it dose happen, and in some of the movies I have too, its just that who can really tell

Most of those are rather boring. You also have a lot of typos and an awkward flow/arrangement of your statements.

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I'd change to "Cum watch as our smooth and lanky boys are taken advantage of for the very first time!"

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I can't even think of a re-write - that whole piece is just awkward.

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First of all "simulated child porn is legal" in the US in a 2000 court case Ashcroft vs. the Ucla. Basiaclly this means you can have a site called junior high boys as long as all the models are 18+. But just because it's legas doesn't mean visa has to approve it.

Max, why post this here? Send it over to Ccbill and get the RIGHT answer to all those questions. If you send them a text file like that they will tell you for sure.

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Originally Posted by Bec

Most of those are rather boring. You also have a lot of typos and an awkward flow/arrangement of your statements.

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Thax Bec that will help, I will take another look at it and make some of the changes you advise, I really do appreciate the help.

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

First of all "simulated child porn is legal" in the US in a 2000 court case Ashcroft vs. the Ucla. Basiaclly this means you can have a site called junior high boys as long as all the models are 18+. But just because it's legas doesn't mean visa has to approve it.

Max, why post this here? Send it over to Ccbill and get the RIGHT answer to all those questions. If you send them a text file like that they will tell you for sure.

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Well I posted it so I could get usable feed back like Bec has so kindly done, and so I could maybe get an idea of the text that might be the most troubling.

The only thing is Bec most of your text has Click Here in it, these are not text links, they are text in the graphics of the site. They have Join Now Buttons to click, I have never seen a site say in the text click here where their is no link to click. As far as the Flow from line to line they will not be like that is the site, the lines of text are arraigned a bit weird here I guess. Really about every line will be on another page, but its just that the tour pages have about the same space for text on every page is why they are lisped like that. They should really just be take one line at a time.


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The best selling points maybe talking about what you really have in the site.

In more specific terms.

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

The best selling points maybe talking about what you really have in the site.

In more specific terms.

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I am going to give all the #'s in the site at the end near the join page, I really dont need much help with that its pretty straight forward.

At the end?

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

At the end?

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Yes will list all the #'s at the end on the join page just above the join links.

Hello maxpower,

I've copied the text from your first post and have forwarded it on to our Policy department. They have notified me that in the text's current state, it would be acceptable for use on your site.


Regards,
James A.
Client Support Supervisor
Clientsupport@CCBill.com

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Originally Posted by CCBill James

Hello maxpower,

I've copied the text from your first post and have forwarded it on to our Policy department. They have notified me that in the text's current state, it would be acceptable for use on your site.


Regards,
James A.
Client Support Supervisor
Clientsupport@CCBill.com

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Thax so much man I really do appreciate that, I did try to think of some of the text rules when creating it, but I am very surprised I did not at least need to change some small part of it for compliance. This will really help me as far as giving text to the designers that I will beadle to really use, so again thanks for your help.

BTW James, what do you think about the text? "just take it line by line please, its not going to be in that order on the site" I know you must see allot of this stuff your option would really help. :thumbsup:

So change click here to join now. I thought a lot of these were text link suggestions for a page for your affiliates or use in galleries etc.

or join now = waiting inside for you

whatever

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Originally Posted by Bec

So change click here to join now. I thought a lot of these were text link suggestions for a page for your affiliates or use in galleries etc.

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Well thax, I will look at rewriting the ones you said something about, I think although it was more helpful to just know the lines of text you have the biggest problems with.

boring and sounds like a lot of other sites out there.

either focus on the boys in a more personal way or focus on what's truly unique on the site. your text comes off like the kind of marketing that most amiericans have a tendancy to disbelieve as it doesn't sound like it has much substance.

anytime text sounds like it could be applied just as easily toward dozens or hundreds of sites just as accurately, it means your text is way too general.

btw, i have never seen live 24 hour twinks in any feed except in stuff like flirt4free, and since all sites use them, they are not really the thing to feature in your ads. btw, did you know your members get limited time inside of flirt4free each day?

LOL.

I have a couple webmasters programs tours memorized by heart. Without even seeing half their sites I can tell you what they say.

x amount of pics
x amouniunt of vids (insert niche here)
watch videos of guys in (insert niche here)
Chat with our (insert niche here) models.
Updated weekly with the hottest guys in (insert niche here).

If you ask me the text you gave sounds like what a tour a straight company would do to create a cookie cutter site. At least they give a trial to help get conversions.

Twink sites like hmboys, boyfunk, boyfuncollection, etc are successful for a reason.

God I miss the old boyboy.com tour. That was designed like someone with only a weeks web design training could do, but it converted well and retained like a mother fucker. NO BS. Just hard hitting facts aboutwht they had and high quality content not found anywhere else.

You are doing a hardcore twink site?

http://www.boysinboys.com/

How does your text compare to that. yes, it has an amateur feel, but it was designed that way to NOT be confused with the wanna be straight companies enetering the gay market.

Well I will be adding a video preview on each tour page that will have text about the models, so at least that should take care of some of the “personally thing”

It is hard to not be general, this will be a twink action site after all the most I guess unique thing is the young age of the guys, but now days how many twink sites are really 100% unique “what 5 or so” I am not a photographer I am a webmaster. Can I not be a webmaster anymore? Is the only way to make a site to shot all your own stuff and create a BS looking site a 12 year old could do?

I did want to push the Movie/Video/Live/Action/Young/Hard-Core stuff really hard in the text. Of course some will be similar to others text how many words are their for teen boy twink that sound good.

Well the some of the Live feeds do run 24/7 even if the guys are sleeping, and most people that have live feeds say they are 24/7 it just sounds better. I am trying to get people to join the site, what sounds better models that do a few shows a day or Live 24/7 Cam Shows? Ya I have seen that flirt for free feed, but do not like that upsale stuff much and everyone can get that with out my site in many places online.

Bottom line I pay allot of money for my live feeds, I need to make that money back with sales. Most people know not much is going on a 4 Am on a Sunday, I have never had a compliant about it before and probably never will. Live feeds for most people are something you like to hear about in the tour but really do not watch that much. I have some of the best live feeds but my AEBN moves do better numbers every day of the week.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

I guess unique thing is the young age of the guys, but now days how many twink sites are really 100% unique “what 5 or so” I am not a photographer I am a webmaster. Can I not be a webmaster anymore? Is the only way to make a site to shot all your own stuff and create a BS looking site a 12 year old could do?

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Do you want me to give you a list of the twink sites with mostly excluive content? It may shock you. And if you say 5, you haven't checked out your competition..

The unique thing is the young age of the boys.

There is a big difference between a webmaster and a program operator.

Like it or not, you are webmaster, marketing director, in charge of content, affiliate relations, operations, and so much more.

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

LOL.

I have a couple webmasters programs tours memorized by heart. Without even seeing half their sites I can tell you what they say.

x amount of pics
x amouniunt of vids (insert niche here)
watch videos of guys in (insert niche here)
Chat with our (insert niche here) models.
Updated weekly with the hottest guys in (insert niche here).

If you ask me the text you gave sounds like what a tour a straight company would do to create a cookie cutter site. At least they give a trial to help get conversions.

Twink sites like hmboys, boyfunk, boyfuncollection, etc are successful for a reason.

God I miss the old boyboy.com tour. That was designed like someone with only a weeks web design training could do, but it converted well and retained like a mother fucker. NO BS. Just hard hitting facts aboutwht they had and high quality content not found anywhere else.

You are doing a hardcore twink site?

http://www.boysinboys.com/

How does your text compare to that. yes, it has an amateur feel, but it was designed that way to NOT be confused with the wanna be straight companies enetering the gay market.

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http://www.boysinboys.com/ they make my point about the live 24/7 stuff thats what they say too. Other than that their text does not look like they really care if you can read it at all. And charge 34.95 its easy to though around all this exclusive content text, but I do not have enough of it to do that yet. You have a suggestion on what I should say? Or what man?

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

Do you want me to give you a list of the twink sites with mostly excluive content? It may shock you. And if you say 5, you haven't checked out your competition..

The unique thing is the young age of the boys.

There is a big difference between a webmaster and a program operator.

Like it or not, you are webmaster, marketing director, in charge of content, affiliate relations, operations, and so much more.

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How about some help man? I know their are site with all this exclusive stuff but I have to live in the real world, I am not 10 people or a photographer I work online.

but you have no idea if they make sales or retention. why copy a site when you don't know if it works? my clients do that all the time - and then hire me *LOL*

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Originally Posted by maxpower

http://www.boysinboys.com/ they make my point about the live 24/7 stuff thats what they say too. Other than that their text does not look like they really care if you can read it at all. And charge 34.95 its easy to though around all this exclusive content text, but I do not have enough of it to do that yet. You have a suggestion on what I should say? Or what man?

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They offer a trial.

Max,

I like tours that mimic the inside.

Something like this
http://www.hisfirsthugecock.com/s2/index.html

Where u see maybe at the top your general stuff, then have model pages. where below each model page you can advertise your filler content.

Its a stcky type tour.

The reality sites really were the first to show what was in the members area.

Their tours can be mimicked to suit a non reality site with minimal scripting.

This still sells.
http://www.boysfirsttime.com/main.htm?p=clean

Create something around that idea with your models, but add below all your filler content. maybe create three filler content tables to randomly insert. One for vids, one for all the other pics, one stressing live stuff. Whatever.

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Originally Posted by basschick

but you have no idea if they make sales or retention. why copy a site when you don't know if it works? my clients do that all the time - and then hire me *LOL*

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I am not copying them in fact I have never seen that site before in my life, its just that is what people say that have live feeds. I do not think playing down the feeds is a good idea is all, I pay for them I want my money back from it. If I can not push the live feeds really hard in the tour they are almost useless

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

They offer a trial.

Max,

I like tours that mimic the inside.

Something like this
http://www.hisfirsthugecock.com/s2/index.html

Where u see maybe at the top your general stuff, then have model pages. where below each model page you can advertise your filler content.

Its a stcky type tour.

The reality sites really were the first to show what was in the members area.

Their tours can be mimicked to suit a non reality site with minimal scripting.

This still sells.
http://www.boysfirsttime.com/main.htm?p=clean

Create something around that idea with your models, but add below all your filler content. maybe create three filler content tables to randomly insert. One for vids, one for all the other pics, one stressing live stuff. Whatever.

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I will have video previews in the tour, but this is not a reality site man. Look I have been working for about 16 hours now I am getting really short. What I am looking for is just advice on my text, I know it would be better if I can going around the world shooting guys all day just for my site and have 10 million dollars in the bank but that is not my situation. I have to work with what I have is the bottom line.

live feeds nowadays are almost useless.

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

live feeds nowadays are almost useless.

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Tell me about it, only thing they are good for is in the tour really, people like to hear you have them but really do not give a shit later on. JO stuff is just lame.

JO stuff is over 50% of my outside paysite sales. JO rules - but live feeds are boring as a rule.

max, i know you'll ignore but i'm going to give you a piece of professional advice. do not make your live feeds sound more exciting than they are.

people have paid me for this advice and are happy they listened. i feel fairly certain you won't but it has helped people who DID make a big deal out of boring live feeds where the guys aren't really available for chat all night.

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Originally Posted by basschick

JO stuff is over 50% of my outside paysite sales. JO rules - but live feeds are boring as a rule.

max, i know you'll ignore but i'm going to give you a piece of professional advice. do not make your live feeds sound more exciting than they are.

people have paid me for this advice and are happy they listened. i feel fairly certain you won't but it has helped people who DID make a big deal out of boring live feeds where the guys aren't really available for chat all night.

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I know I am not making that big a deal of the live feed, if you look I only say something about them in one place. Its less than 5% of the text, but if I can not push them in my tour I might as well remove every one of the today. Personally I really do not think most people even read all this text in the tour and only skim it. Looking for videos and pictures, “eye candy” that is why I repeated the words I did so many times in different ways. What do you think is the average time a person looks at a site like 45-90 seconds, personally I think they have a bit of a check list like “moves” “videos” “live Cams” Exclusive Content maybe” but most of what they decide to do is based on what they visually see and like or do not like

Live feeds are dead. Downloadable dvd content is in. Next year it will be something else.

Focus on whatever makes your site different than anyone elses. If its the youngest most hardcore twink fucking site. Push it.

Different people will give different advice.

Basschick may look at wrestleme.com and say that site is horrible. It is. But it converted like a mother fucker when python would allow you to send traffic to it.

I can give you stats on playingboys.com - I marketed it for six months with exclusively MOTN traffic. Total cost I paid for traffic was $1800. never marketed anywhere else. just checked stats. Lifetime sales 5310.12

I to do well with jerk off sites. I think the reason MAY be the fantasy that is created. You see a guy jerk off and in your mind you think what would it be like if it was me an him. When you add a fuck scene to it the fantasy is gone. Now its him and someone else.

just go with your gut feeling and adjust accordingly. My last paysite I needed to get up soon. i spent maybe three hours doing a tour myself with the intention of getting someone to re do it. I never changed the tour. It jsut worked. And I am by no means a designer....

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Originally Posted by maxpower

I know I am not making that big a deal of the live feed, if you look I only say something about them in one place. Its less than 5% of the text, but if I can not push them in my tour I might as well remove every one of the today. Personally I really do not think most people even read all this text in the tour and only skim it. Looking for videos and pictures, “eye candy” that is why I repeated the words I did so many times in different ways. What do you think is the average time a person looks at a site like 45-90 seconds, personally I think they have a bit of a check list like “moves” “videos” “live Cams” Exclusive Content maybe” but most of what they decide to do is based on what they visually see and like or do not like

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Show what you got on the inside on the outside. Show them you update. Show them something different than they will find on Ugas sites.

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

Live feeds are dead. Downloadable dvd content is in. Next year it will be something else.

Focus on whatever makes your site different than anyone elses. If its the youngest most hardcore twink fucking site. Push it.

Different people will give different advice.

Basschick may look at wrestleme.com and say that site is horrible. It is. But it converted like a mother fucker when python would allow you to send traffic to it.

I can give you stats on playingboys.com - I marketed it for six months with exclusively MOTN traffic. Total cost I paid for traffic was $1800. never marketed anywhere else. just checked stats. Lifetime sales 5310.12

I to do well with jerk off sites. I think the reason MAY be the fantasy that is created. You see a guy jerk off and in your mind you think what would it be like if it was me an him. When you add a fuck scene to it the fantasy is gone. Now its him and someone else.

just go with your gut feeling and adjust accordingly. My last paysite I needed to get up soon. i spent maybe three hours doing a tour myself with the intention of getting someone to re do it. I never changed the tour. It jsut worked. And I am by no means a designer....

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OK finally something I can use, I will say something about downloadable DVD stuff in the tour that is a good idea. :)

Not to sure I could say the site is the youngest twink site around, its really NOT a CP site. The guys are 18-22 or so, but I will let the images and videos speak for the youngest stuff. I did get some brand new images to use in the tour I believe most people have not seen yet in other graphics.

I guess its just me, but I think JO sites suck I would not join one maybe thats why I do not think others really would

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Originally Posted by maxpower

I guess its just me, but I think JO sites suck I would not join one maybe thats why I do not think others really would

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That's why you have to try new sponsors and niches. I never thought anyone would join a bear site either. But when ARS released bearLovin, MAX I WAS LOVIN BEARS!

Two years from now, you may be running a paysite in a niche you totally hate. I know many white guys that don't like uncut white guys. They think its nasty. But it's a niche that sells.

It's weird in that some of the most successful webmasters that promote gay sites are straight. Why? Because they hate all the content. Even the idea of being gay turns them off. But they approach it from a business point of view, not what their tastes are. They let the market determine what sells and what doesn't.

Max,

IF you are doing downloadable dvd content, do a version for ipod as well and market that.