Your thoughts on this?
Will you be attending the Florida show now you have to spend $250 to get a pass?
Its doubtfull we'll pay $750 for 3 badges, just isnt worth it.
Regards,
Lee
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Your thoughts on this?
Will you be attending the Florida show now you have to spend $250 to get a pass?
Its doubtfull we'll pay $750 for 3 badges, just isnt worth it.
Regards,
Lee
What! it depends what we'll get for it? at least one dinner? open bar every night? :nowords:
seems like a huge ripoff to me if it's just for a couple seminars, but if there is booze and some meals in it, it might be worth it.
Yikes! $250?!
That's insane. And yet there are a lot of people who will pay it. :(
As much as I learned and as much fun as I had ... there's no way in HELL I'd pay $250 for one pass.
The first couple of shows I went to I walked the floor & attended every seminar. IMO, it's pretty much all the same at every show, I'll go to FL but I don't think the floor and seminars are worth $250
The format of this year's show is going to be quite different than at FL shows past.
It's $250 not just for the pass, but that's also the registration and the entire cost (apart from hotel) of attendance, is it not?
How much would an individual have paid to simply register in previous years? And thus was it that different costwise?
If they're charging $250 to attend the event, register, get access to the floor, and that's what I'm paying to support the event that brings fellow businessmen and women in the industry from around the world to the same place so that I can meet with them and get way more than $250 worth of business done, it's an easy decision to pay the $250 far as I'm concerned.
My trip to Florida was a bit ... intimidating to say the least. I didn't know more than a handful of people at the time ... that coupled with my shyness doesn't help one network.
I did meet up with Lee and Gary-Alan and learned a good bit from them in the short time we were able to chat.
BDBionic, you make a good point... but I remember my registration price was one fixed price for the Hollywood, Fl show and that got me on the floor and in the seminars. So... if they're covering everything but hotel, does that mean they're gonna feed me? I'm gonna hafta check it out now *snickers*
well after dabbing around at http://www.internext-expo.com I'm let down a bit. I sure hope I'm just blind as a bat ....
They have no information listed and I didn't even know the price of the expo until after filling out forms and reaching the payment page.
Are they planning on listing some information regarding the "brand new format" I'm sorry, but I am a product of false advertisments and I don't trust anything is "New and Improved" until I at least can read about and compare from prior experience.
$250.00 is a bit much compared to the price I paid last time... and $250 is the EARLY BIRD price.
Without seeing what's being offered... I'm not even going to give it a second thought.
Man I thought I'd pop a gasket when I had to write the check for Vegas. Pretty soon only the Very Established will be able to afford to attend some of the important functions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tala
I really don't get it, maybe cause I'm used to mainstream tradshows where the buyer (me in this case) is admitted to the floor without charge- well except for the bleed your wallet food Service consession. So, I suppose I don't understand where the entrence fees are applied.
Yeah the parties are smokin' :francais: - but don't the specific sponcers carry those costs? The nut and dings must be HUGE to vend at a BIG Vegas type event. The costs must be the same if not greater for most any for -the -trade event- yet this is the first industry I've ever known, that charges the customer for the privlage of being sold.
Now please, I'm not bitching, that's just my Long Island accent coming through. I'm really just trying to understand the workings of event planning in the adult entertainment world, for both my education and a project currently in the works.
Any insight ya'll can impart, would be apperciated.
Unless of course you have to kill me afterwards. :signhere:
They are trying to remain profitable, its no secret that attendance to the AVN shows has dropped significantly over the last 3 or 4 years even this Vegas show was much smaller than the one previous which, was smaller than the one previous to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame0120
This Florida show has been 'reinvented' as a conference and not a tradeshow, in the 'mainstream' world, 'conferences' tend to cost a lot more for the attendees than tradeshows do so i think they are trying to use that to their advantage unfortunately though, you are right in your assesment that only those who have already 'made it' will attend the AVN shows which, IMHO defeats the entire purpose of the tradeshows, bringing newbies and old timers together to get business done.
I do beleive that for us, we'll attend the Florida show but we wont be paying for a badge or staying at the Westin, there is just to much redtape to be toyed with so far as AVN goes.
You are also correct in that the event sponsors cover the cost of any of the 'parties' during the AVN shows however, despite a drop in attendance over the past few years, the costs of these have been increasing show after show, to the point where several companies (ourselves included) are organizing events off-site to ensure we can still remain profitable whilst holding a sponsored event.
To give you an idea of the type of costs involved in throwing a party for one night at Florida for 3 hours from midnight to 3am, you need to rent a hospitality suite for 24 hours, minimum charge for the suite is $3k up to a maximum of $5k. Then you need to have a minimum food and beverage costing of $5k which goes directly to the hotel.
Now, compare those rates to the 'non convention' prices which we got from the hotel several months ago.. A suite for 3 hours will cost $1500 to rent, no minimum food and beverage charge. Its clear that AVN are hiking the prices up so they can skim more profits off the backs of those companies who are already forking out thousands of dollars to advertise with them during the tradeshow, sorry, convention itself.
The one good thing about this show is that in order to host an officially 'sanctioned' event, you dont need to spend an additional $3k for a booth which was a requirement for the last 3 tradeshows so, all in all, to throw and event for 100 webmasters, over 3 hours, previously you had to spend a minimum of $15k with AVN this show, without a booth, you still have to spend close to $15k for exactly the same thing.
Many are predicting that next years Vegas show will be the last that AVN schedule because of the drop in attendance year after year and, unfortunately, i personally feel that this is going to be one of the last Florida shows also especially once companies start to realize that the newbies arent attending because of cost restrictions.
Just a little insight from my point of view on things.
Regards,
Lee
I'm sure Internext will be releasing more information on this soon. However, it is my understanding that the format will be totally different from what you are used to. This show will be catering to show attendees and affiliates... including gift baskets pretty much everyday to your hotel room, free food, cocktails and slew of really cool memorabilia (rafts, water bottles, beach towels etc).
While I admit there are some short comings of Internext as of late, let's give them a chance with this new format which is what many of us have been asking for quite some time.
Greetings:
As a business man who's been to dozens of conventions in many different industries, it's IMHO that they're catering to the wrong crowd if they're trying to impress people by giving away gift baskets, water bottles, and beach towels. The people that are easily impressed and overjoyed by those things, are not the type of people that pay $250 to attend a convention, and are also not the type of people that any serious business person would be actively trying to hunt down.Quote:
Originally Posted by djdez
When I go to conventions, I go to get business done, plain and simple. I want to meet people, and have the opportunity to look them in the eye and shake their hands. I want to collect and pass out business cards. I want to pick up and hand out literature. I want to lay the ground work for business relationships that can then be fostered away from the convention via telephone conferences, e-mails, and chat sessions.
What I do not want, is to be made to feel like I won the grand prize in a carnival game of ring-toss.
:juggle:
There has been quite a lot of response to the new format and pricing of Summer Internext in Florida this year.
Indeed, the event now charges a flat admission fee to all attendees, as opposed to those just going to the convention floor or seminars.
It's understandable that such a change is going to cause a strong response from all sides. Some love it, some hate it...
So, I'm here to outline a few of the key benefits to the new format.
Feel free to email me - aly@avn.com if you want to communicate personally.
**
Here are some of the key features and benefits the Summer Internext Conference has added since last year:
- They've paid the hotel a lump sum for wireless Internet access to be turned on in every possible corner of the property. Meeting space, the exhibit hall, seminar rooms, the lobby, restaurants, swimming pool....etc. This allows for all attendees to do get online freely.
- They're building up the Seminar program so that it is on par with what is now done at the Vegas show. Typically the summer event has only had 6 or 7 seminars. This year there will be a full seminar program, designed to deliver the same educational value that people have come to expect from the larger Winter event.
- They will be providing complimentary Breakfast (in the Feature Pavilion/Exhibit Hall foyer) and Lunch outside the seminar room.
- They are shutting down the entire Diplomat Resort for Internext. Other than the convention center lobby (registration area), no one will set foot on hotel property without a badge. This is a tremendous benefit to all show participants. This is an exclusive Industry event. Only those individuals who are looking to do business will be there.
- As requested, they are mailing badges out prior to the event to all pre-registered show goers. This will cut down the wait time on-site.
Overall this event is about ACCESS.
Participants pay for a badge that grants them access to the market they want to reach – the people they want to do business with, access to the seminars, access to parties, access to do business without restriction anywhere and anytime. The point is, once you get the badge - the entire resort property becomes your business forum. You are paying for access and Internext is creating the optimal atmosphere conducive to your business needs.
- There are also other networking events currently being designed to offer additional benefits to all attendees.
Changing the show is a risk, but it's one that's been built around feedback from the Industry. In my opinion, that's worth trying.
We will be attending the show also but definately arent too keen about the price of the early bird badges. The daily baskets and beach towels are sponsored by the way....even the toilet paper!
Memorabilia?Quote:
Originally Posted by djdez
We ALL love swag!
Who doesn't toss out 80% of it?
Free Booze? Open Bar?
Why? The cost of beverage alone at the late night parties could run a small country for a month - and hard for me to understand when being charged 250$ to work a show floor. Truthfully a nice dinner and a couple or 4 cocktails, someplace where I can talk above the noise would be delightful.
Gift Baskets to My Room?
Well .. I'll have to wait a few years while my business grows to afford 180$ for a standard room. Not that I don't WANT to stay at the host venue - it's so much better when you are looking to do serious business. But if I have to lay out 500$ for badges - it's the Days Inn again for us. :)
I really don't see how it is "catering to show attendees". If the event planners are targeting new webmasters and other smaller adult businesses, and price it out of reach for so many? But I trust there are many unseen expences for the host company that forces them to charge what they do.
LOL! I will admit I'll be werkin' hard to make as many of the shows as the budget allows and maybe go that extra mile sos I can upgrade my hotel choices. Cause no one can say they don't pick the most excellent facilities! Looks like the Fla event will be including many more ammenties for the attendees, even non-hotel guests. Sounds like a great direction, even if it is taking a big chance, changing the format.
Ah Well ... it's not my party - but I thought you wouldn't mind me voicing an opinion that may not be mine alone, but most likely, the minority.
LOL. i thought it was funny that the toilet paper was one of the first items picked up to be sponsored. Of course the breakfast, lunch, and memorabilia isn't the big draw. However, I was trying to point out allbeit a poor job of it, was to explain that this years format is one that is highly condusive to networking and getting business done and that show attendees are being catered to. I suppose I was hung up more on the tangible items when people were expressing concern about paying an additional $100.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveBucksKarl
For one - manning a booth is one of my least favorite activity - especially since at least 1/2 of the people I need to talk to are 4 booths down and 1/2 of the people coming to the booth are just trying to sell us shit we don't need. That means that the other 1/2 of the people I do want to talk to (our affiliates and perspective affiliates) are herded from one booth to the next and don't get to spend any quality time speaking to except for the parties where there is music blaring or an obnoxious drag queen on the mic.
I know I'm not the only one that feels this way and I welcome this change of format.
Just fyi - I am not a cheerleader of Internext and those who we talked to in person can attest that we're far from it. As with anything change is going to stir the pot from both sides. Again, I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out.
*ouch* Luckily I live in FL so my other expenses are off set sense it is local! I look forward to meeting those that are attending there.
((hugs))
Interesting so, strictly speaking, the $250 doesnt include the gift baskets, a sponsor has paid for those already? I presume the meals are also sponsored, if thats the case, the question begging to be asked is, why the hike in price especially if event sponsors are off-setting the gift baskets, meals etc etc? Things that make you go hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveBucksKarl
Regards,
Lee
Yes, the gift baskets are sponsored, but I don't believe the meals are. Perhaps aly can clarify. But I think the point here is that there is no price hike. $250 is the same price it has been for a while if you wanted a badge for both trade shows and seminars. If you wanted just a trade show badge in the past you could buy one for $150. Now there is only one badge - an all-inclusive badge for $250 - the same as previous years for an all inclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Internext is not only a networking experience but also a time to learn new things. The workshops are very informative and you can learn a lot. Also, I can not tell you how many times we've made contact with people that we knew nothing about but ended doing business with because the raised a good question or made a very insightful comment during the panel discusion Q&A (and vice versa).
If your goal is to just attend the parties, pick up your free tshirts and other chotchka's at the booths and get and autograph from some big titty porn star or dare I say a photo-op with Ron Jeremy... yeah I can see not wanting to pay for the all-inclusive badge with seminar package. But if you're serious about the industry and serious about learning and hearing other people's perspectives outside of the nightly cocktail parties-- you need to be at those seminars/workshops.
These changes come as a response to feedback from webmasters. This year, Summer Internext is not a Convention; it's a Conference. The difference is that it is no longer all about booths and a trade show floor; it's now about networking and education.
In the past, all event costs and revenue were generated by the sale of booth space and attendee badges. This year, that model doesn't fit because participants have become more interested in throwing networking events and parties than exhibiting with a booth. The hotel has also been closed to the public to address the concern of non-industry people coming to the event for the wrong reasons. In order for Internext to still cover it's costs, sponsorship opportunities have changed, and all attendees are charged entrance to the event. I'm not actually convinced that this will make Internext more money than in the past. Really... no shit; because the costs to do it this way are much higher than in the past.
I don't have a full list of Internext costs to hand but, to name a few: the show has a huge contract with the hotel that includes lower room rates but makes the show liable for all rooms whether they're sold or not... this also includes fees for shutting hotel propreties off from the general public... the bars and restaurants and so on - it's kind of like a rental fee to rent an entire hotel; there's a seperate fee to rent the convention centre; there's a large insurance fee; temps are hired to run registration; a seperate company is hired to manage the online and on-site registration process; a decorator and labour are paid to deal with exhibits and signage etc; breakfast and lunch is included each day (which may be sponsored, but only in part because it's very steep); medics are paid to be on site incase of an emergency; there's a fee for setting up wireless coverage across the property; there's a strong marketing push, which costs money; there's also the overhead involved with running a trade show business... attorneys, salaries, health benefits, office space etc.
I guarantee I'm missing a lot, but there are indeed costs to do this sort of thing.
:juggle:
Aly, im not negating the fact that AVN has to make money from the show, far from it in fact, i just dont see from the partial list you posted above where the additional price increase is warranted. There is nothing on that list, save the wireless connection and meals (which are sponsored anyway) that we havent been told already happens at the AVN shows or that isnt already required by law when anyone holds a tradeshow, convention, conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aly_AVN
Wasnt the hotel supposedly 'reserved' for only Internext attendees in Florida last year? That is certainly what attendees and sponsors were led to beleive.
A $20 a day charge for wireless doesnt justify a $100 raise in price to me.
If AVN came right out and said, 'look, we lost money at the previous shows and this is our way of recouping those losses for this show' it (the price increase) would be less of an issue in my eyes.
Instead we're being told that we are getting all of these 'free' things which, strictly speaking, arent free, somewhere along the line, a sponsor of Internext is paying AVN money to have their identity branded at the meals, on the toilet paper, at the parties, in addition to making attendees pay more for something that is being billed as 'part of the pass pricing' when, it obviously isnt.
Regards,
Lee
i'm a vegetarian, and i'm allergic to wheat - that means i can't eat normal bread or pasta. so i wouldn't find it a plus to pay this $250 for catering as i couldn't do my share of the eating.
besides, the swag bags are about sponsors. so are lots of things - they are picked up in the cost of the thing.
i think $250 is silly - i went to the NAMM show (the big music equipment retailer show) and it cost me nothing. tickets are like $100 or less and the show is incredible - and NAMM members can give away tickets that they get for like $25. and it's a HUGE three day show, and you get lots of fun stuff plus the parties and jam sessions and free shows.
Well I hope it works out for ya'll and the show changes and pricing are a success. 250$ a head is still high for any small 2 or 4 person business, but maybe some excellent food Service will make it worthy of such a big nut. I was pretty impressed with The Mission Palms' well excuted menu, and it was clear to see - how the cost per person can rise for the event planners. Man! Anyone ever seen those lil Break Stations before? So cool .. but, I digress.Quote:
Originally Posted by djdez
Lets see for 4 out of state attendees
1,500 Travel
1,000 Badges
900 2- Day's Inn Discounted Standard Rooms -3 Days
250 Meals/tips not included at event site
Humm $ 3,650
Just for the basics
Well I best get to putting what I learned at the Phoenix Forum in foward, and start making `mo money.
:vanish:
I think it's a bit presumptuous for anyone to assume they have full knowledge and awareness of the costs AVN incurs and the numbers involved to the point they can make a definitive statement on whether or not $250 is justifiable or not.
I think that as attendees, we can decide whether the costs of attendance are justifiable to ourselves and our own businesses.
But to claim we have such intimate knowledge of Internext's finances, expenses, costs, income, etc to make sweeping statements about where their money goes and in what amounts is a bit much.
If you feel it's too expensive to attend, then don't attend. If you feel it costs too much to go to Internext and you don't get value out of it to justify that cost, then it's one of the many countless decisions you, as a business person, have to make on a daily basis concerning cost vs. return.
But dictating to Internext what their costs and expenses should be and then approaching the $250 fee issue after having taken it upon oneself to make assumptions that can't in any way be backed up with concrete #'s isn't entirely responsible.
I agree - the pheonix forum is our favorite show every year and I have to say they really outdid themselves this year. Of course I loved the fact that they had my v8 stocked in the cooler at those break stations. perfect for those next day hangovers :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame0120
There are indeed much higher costs... and just to clarify, the wireless connection is not sponsored and the breakfasts and lunches are only partially so, if that (they're way too steep to sponsor entirely)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
As a major sponsor of previous years, I can tell you I was not led to believe that at all, no. We did get all the rooms, but not the rest of the hotel, including all other public venues like the bars and restaurants etc ... Renting the entire resort is an entirely different kind of contract/ liability and a lot more expensive. The perceived benefit of doing this is that there are only industry people on the property, the event encompasses the whole place, instead of being focussed on the show floor... and of course, you can throw an event without having to get a booth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Me neither. But an exclusive event with better networking opportunities, an advanced seminar program and free food does to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Just to clarify, Internext and AVN are seperate business properties, so while one may be raking in the dough, that doesn't reflect on the other... Except for the fact that they are held together by perception; thus, if one is perceived badly, it does effect the perception of the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
That said, Internext hasn't lost money at previous shows. They're not making ENOUGH in my opinion... But that's another debate that we can get into poolside with margaritas... ;)
Don't go to the show because you're offered a free lunch. Go to the show because you either perceive a value in the business opportunities, or are willing to take a chance on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Quote:
Originally Posted by djdez
I totally agree. They definitely out did themselves this year... GREAT show!
I loved the cash register-less 7-eleven, too! ;)
From when I was an independent webmaster with just myself to worry about to now at PrideBucks where we have a team to bring, attending any show is takes a bite out of your budget that must be planned for. Lets not forget all of perperation for any exhibiot and doing the sites updates etc in advance to keep things running while you are away. Like anything, it comes down to Return on Invesment.
There's always sticker shock when you see a $100 price hike on anything and believe me, I'm dying to fork it over however, from a purely financial perspective, even if you hoof or cab it to the local fast food eatery or order in pizza for your 3 squares, you are easily going to spend more then $100 on food during a show. If you are an exhibitor and tethered to a booth and have to rely on a hit and run at one of the hotel restaurants, you've porbably spent almost that much by lunch the first day. Regardless of whether or to what % the meals are being paid for by sponsors, having them included more then compenstates for the price hike as almost anyone would spend more providing their own meals.
Add to that, if you just attend the legal seminar, well an hour with our attournney....I wish that was just $100.
The value and the return on the investment is something every company has to weight for themselves. Frankly, just the chance to see my friends from the industry that I only have the opportunity to see at these shows is worth the $33.33/day increase to me.
One InterNext badge, $250, Three days with David, Joe, Rainey and all of our buds, priceless!
My 2 cents!
Thanks, Harlan! I can't wait to see you again! :love:
Very well said my friend! For us it comes down to this we cannot afford to NOT attend Internext... The amount of business and relationships we have gained through both the Florida and Vegas shows are indeed priceless! AVN has been very good to NakedSword and fully supported us and we will always do the same! Are we thrilled about the $250 no! However we have spent more then that at the Abbey in an hour LOL and had much less to show for it! Thanks to Aly for clarifying all of this :groovy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Harlan
I think that is a little excessive given all the other inflated expenses that go with it.
I really want to try and make it to Florida. This will be my first time attending a big shin-dig like this. I hope that a new small fry like me will get my moneys worth, but that price tag might put me in the red! :eek:
I just don't see how the $250 badge price could in the least prevent any individual webmaster from attending the event.
Could it contribute to your company's deciding to send 2 people instead of 5? Certainly. But truth be told if that's a concern, you most likely would not have sent 5 people last year at the cheaper badge price either because if you're that much on the fence or those are the margins you're dealing wtih, you would not have been able to afford last year either.
If you can't afford an extra $100 to go to a convention, then you got way more important things you should be spending that $100 on.
It's the price of hotel and airfare that are really the kickers for those who may or may not be able to attend.
It's 250 bucks. Set aside $65 a month, starting now, between today and the show and you're good to go. Or $25/month if you'd already set aside badge money based on last year's prices cuz it's $100 more this year.
I hate spending money as much as the next guy, but this convo reminds me of something I spoke about on the seminar at Phoenix - you have to be prepared to assume overhead when it's called for. There is no inherent right to succeed in business without investing money. If you can succeed without investing money, more power to ya and you're accompishing an admirable thing. But this is business. More than likely, overhead will exist and ya gotta accept that fact. No one single person stands out from everyone else in having some god-given right to not have to spend money in exchange for a return on that investment.
So if $250 is too much for you, that's your decision as a business person that spending that extra $100 won't benefit your business to a greater value. It is not, however, some wicked doing on account of Internext meant to hold ya down.
I'm simply having trouble comprehending the manner of disapproval expressed in this thread and I don't see much validity in the argument that an extra $100 will be the deciding factor in someone's not attending that otherwise would have. I see that extra $100 being another justification for not attending on a list belonging to someone who wasn't going to attend anyways.
Go go krusher! Every show we have attended was a hard decision when holding it up to the costs and the time away from actual work.Quote:
Originally Posted by krusher
Every show we come back and say .. money and time, WELL Spent. :$$$:
Now for how long I can continue to put 2-3K into a trip, is yet to be seen. For some, that's a small amount of cash to lay out.. but for real lil webmasters, it's a pretty big nut. So we book in a less expensive hotel, drive to the event, and stay lean on the extras.
Yes yes.. I am as tight as a tic's ass.
Of course our personal entertaiment budget is history .. but shoot .. Where else but in this industry could you be so well entertained and network with the very best at the same time?
The point someone made above, that seminars are totally different events, and often MUCH more costly than conventions, is very well taken.
I have planned and/or overseen fairly large conferences and conventions in my pre-adult career, and I can tell you that Aly is right on the money.
The hotel loses a huge amount (or at least, will claim it does) by closing all of its public properties (bars, restaurants, hospitality suites, meeting rooms, etc) to non-attendees. The costs of taking all of those potential revenue streams from the hotel, as well as meals, private security/staffing/etc are not inexpensive. And hotels are notorious for charging absolute robbery rates for everything associated with conventions and seminars, because they know they can get away with it (Think $750 to rent a $800 LCD projector for 3 days, with rules that you can't bring your own... or $100 for a $35 deli plate for the break room... )
And likewise, by guaranteeing to cover the cost of all the rooms, even at a discounted rate, there's a big risk involved... particularly if, like last year, there's a hurricane at the last minute and a bazillion people cancel. So Internext is taking on a lot of additional cost, and a lot of risk. And it's a complete unknown because they've never done it this way before. So my guess is that in the end, they are figuring that they will make a modest profit... but they could also lose big because of the guarantees they've taken on to the hotel.
But forgetting all of that... what we are all paying for here is the opportunity to network and conduct business with others in the industry, to meet new people, develop new relationships, to deepen relationships we already have.
Think of it in terms of investment. If I can pay $1200 per person (hotel, airfare, meals, etc.) and in exchange get the opportunity to get meaningful face time with the most important people in my industry and brainstorm mutually beneficial deals between us, how long will it take me to repay that investment?
We spent almost 10 times that on Vegas 2005, with all our model expenses, sponsorship, travel/lodging/etc, and that was a really large investment given our size and income. It could have bought a lot of other things, but it's been an excellent investment for us in terms of new affiliates, increased visiblity for our videos, websites, and so forth... and while it's difficult to quantify for sure, I am confident that it will return many times over because of the opportunities it opened for us.
And so, while it may not be the same for everyone, I have a really hard time understanding why anyone can complain about $100 difference between $150 and $250. If you have a $20 membership site, it's 5 joins. If you are in traffic, it's maybe twice that. Very, very small investment that, if you put even a little effort into it, will probably offer a better return than almost anything else you could do with the same money. At least in my book.
We spent almost 10 times that on Vegas 2005, with all our model expenses, sponsorship, travel/lodging/etc
LOL! I know I sure apperciated the hotties you sent to Vegas. Lovely young men all of them .. and some pretty nice eye candy for the ole Het gal!
Talk about your ROI!
Yeah Madame, I hope to make it. Sounds like most people's experiences say it's well worth it. Better bring my sleeping bag(shelter) and a bag of chips(food). I guess I'll start checking under the vending machines at work for loose change. Maybe I can set a donation can somewhere. Send Jeff to Florida! So sad.....
:gaydays:
Anyone need a room down here to cut down some cost?! hehehe..j/k
With the price increase, it's going to be a bit tough, but I agree with what everyone else said... the chance to network.. who can put a pricetag on that?
I know Jacob and I had an absolute blast this last time... there's no monetary value we could place on it.
Can't wait to see you all again...
Kevin
Hollywood, Florida
Awww baby - not to worry, Madame always has the coffee perkin' and cookies for all the good boys and girls (over the age of consent).Quote:
Originally Posted by krusher
Sweet Lord! They are gona have to put that on my headstone.
Madame
She loved so many tasty boys.
Over the age of consent.
Taking a right off Topic - One of my favorite headstones belongs to Jayne Mansfield, a really fine actress with -on spot- comedic timing.
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Hope everyone is having a great weekend. It's a calm grey day in N TEXAS- the kind of day you leave the weather channel up and running. :eek: