Do you like muscles?

ken, i know a LOT of bodybuilders who aren't even close to what you are describing. the men i know who demand physical perfection are mostly the toned guys - not the bodybuilders.

i used to be a bodybuilder - and there aren't many women bodybuilders out there. i started by working out, then fell madly in LOVE with free weights, leg presses, hack squats, and so on. i was able to get big not because i wanted to show off, but because i LOVED working out. and at a certain point, because of that love, i became devoted to developing size - a passionate hobby.

i have been working with bodybuilders for a while now, and i used to talk to the men i'd see all the time at the gym. i'm sure there are guys out there like you describe, but i've never met one - and i was a total gym rat for years. during a several year period, i simultaneously had memberships in beverly hills health and fitness, nautilus plus and bally's, and i knew plenty of guys at all of them.

it takes dedication to spend 3 hours or more in a gym 5 times a week. if all a guy cared about was attracting hot guys, he would spend 2 hours three times a week, and he'd do great. men - and women - who spend 15 - 25 or more hours a week have to have more motivation - or they'd get bored. you're talking about very self-centered people in your posts, and i've never noticed that wholly self-centered people HAVE that kind of dedication.

by the way, if a guy finds muscles so attractive that he is willing to spend 100 hours a month building his, it might make sense he finds muscles attractive in others. after all, dzinerbear and xtr8guy find hairiness attractive in the exact same way - and you find that reasonable.

My preference is toned, not exaggerated. And Slade I would say straight guys are just as shallow as gay guys. lol.

...and after all we have been through as a "community" facing AIDS...I ask honestly, isn't it better to see a group of guys, especially within the last few years who exude health and fitness, guys who have been taking care of themselves as an alternative to wasting?

Like I said before, I've been in the gym since day one and I've seen numbers of men (and women) come to gain "life saving" muscle. Because, so many are "older" it is as if they are being re-born as they see their muscles build and grow...sometimes for the first time in their lives.

Muscle is essential to help the body out in times of stress. Muscle is what the body looses first, in defense of weight loss; fat does nothing and hangs around and around.

If you take 3 people with the same illness for instance, one, with lots of lean muscle, one average, and one, obese, and put them all in the hospital...
the person with lean muscle will recover more quickly and be out before the average, person with higher body fat and both will be out before the obese person who will most likely develop additional problems due to being overweight.

As a group, I think the Gay Community is way to quick to judge people on appearances. And, living in Beverly Hills, I can tell you that the straight community is right on our tails...plastic surgery capital of the world where a lot of people exist looking like living cadavers!

And don't forget that we here in beautiful BH, CA are also quick to judge each other on exactly what part of town we live in, how new are newest car is and what model and make it is, where we lunch, etc, etc... all through example, I think a sad goal for many throughout the country and around the world!?!?!? via the gazilliions of networks and mindless shows and movies we spit out...

However, and back to the point, I think that everyone strikes a balance with societal pressures, health concerns, trends and the like to find their own comfort levels with respect to phsysical appearance.

in closing, none of us are gettin' any younger so enjoy life while you can...

basschick and De Angelo, you both make very good points, and I would probably agree with you that those who bodybuild for the reasons you describe are probably a lot less likely to be so judgmental of others. I have, in fact, had a few bodybuilders totally chase me down and be all like, "Dude, you're fuckin' hot. Let's go." And I'm like, WHAT??? YOU want ME???

But I don't know that what you describe speaks to the original point of the thread, which was Jesse's statement (and I'm liberally paraphrasing), "Hey, summer's coming and I need to look hot, so what do you think. Should I work out?" Kinda different than the situations you both explain. And again, that's my chief problem with the way the gay community--for the most part--views physical fitness. They look at it as something that attracts hot guys, and also as something that gives them the "permission" to turn their noses up at anyone who doesn't meet their own requirements of physical perfection.

Another thing that really annoys me is this whole notion that we have no control over our libidos when it comes to seeking out guys who are "hot." A lot of guys like to avoid taking responsibility for their exclusionary sexual practices by saying, "Sorry dude, I just like what I like." Riiiight. And the fact that I love Thai food means that I can't find it in me to appreciate Italian.

Again, there's no judgment on my part for anyone liking muscle (I'm as guilty as the next guy when it comes to seeing a picture of Colin Farrel naked and just fucking MELTING over his body), but I think the more important question, again, is "Is that ALL we like?" Because really, I think when you boil away all the bullshit we like to sling around, I think what one finds attractive is most often dictated by how shallow one may be. When it becomes a REQUIREMENT for considering a relationship that is ideally supposed to be build upon the fundamentals of a deep, soulful connection that transcends the physical, I think it speaks a great deal about the caliber of someone's character.

And that's my point about liking muscle. Sure, let's all look at them and love them. But can't we also look at other things and appreciate them too? Beefy hairy daddies (woof!), hot muscular jocks (slurp!), young lean dudes (sweet), stocky average buddies (yowzers!), smooth pretty boys (hello!). There's a whole range of types out there, and no we don't all have to want to sleep with them all (that's my job, thank you; I'm happy to be the resident slut who embraces all, haha), and I often wonder, Are we so shallow as a community that it's so hard for a lot of us to find beauty and attraction in more than just one group of them?

By the way, no offense at all to you, Jesse. But I'm sure whatever you look like right now, you look just fine. If you wanna look "better," go for it, but don't do it just so you can look better with your shirt off. If we do things in life based on how it might make others perceive ourselves (re: I feel personally validated as a PERSON b/cuz someone wants to fuck me), then I feel we are never really being true to ourselves.

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Of course, almost every attraction is based in the beginning on a physical level of some kind. I would not be attracted to a 400-pound hairy dude with missing teeth.

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Dang..for a minute there I thought I had a chance with you!:goofy:

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My preference is toned, not exaggerated. And Slade I would say straight guys are just as shallow as gay guys. lol.

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That's true I guess. It is disgusting how they cheat on their wives/girlfriends with another guy!

Um..not that I would know anything about that first hand!

ken - a guy who only works out for the summer isn't a bodybuilder, and it's impossible that he would get that muscular in a few months. muscle takes time. you're talking about a fit guy who puts on an extra pound of muscle and shows it better because he loses some fat. a lot of pretty fit guys don't show their six packs because of just a little fat - when it's bathing suit time, they diet and voila!

it's not so much just the gay community - straight women are forced into the looks game, too. i have a gorgeous girlfriend who isn't as thin as a model but she isn't even into plus sizes. a guy i know saw her in tight clothes and called her a pig! and this guy is a shapeless ugly lump of a man with the personality of a bridge troll. fat rich webmasters always seem to hook up with model-quality girls - then later, they complain about those girls 'cause the ONLY reason they hooked up with them was as a prestige issue - and those lousy bitches turn out to have their own minds!

most men judge by looks. we don't have to like it, but i suspect that natural selection comes into this. but don't blame bodybuilders - lots of men do this, almost all i know.

the previous is only my opinion and does not reflect anything else...

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ken - a guy who only works out for the summer isn't a bodybuilder, and it's impossible that he would get that muscular in a few months. muscle takes time. you're talking about a fit guy who puts on an extra pound of muscle and shows it better because he loses some fat. a lot of pretty fit guys don't show their six packs because of just a little fat - when it's bathing suit time, they diet and voila!

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Again, none of my posts have been meant as slams toward true bodybuilders, but to someone who simply works out as means toward getting laid. I thought I made that clear in my last post. But personally, I'm not really a fan of big ol' heaving muscles. I think they look sorta unnatural. All those veins and then the dudes start walking funny, like gorillas. The porn star Caesar? Oh, my God. The guy has NO neck left. But hey, to each their own, right?

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it's not so much just the gay community - straight women are forced into the looks game, too. i have a gorgeous girlfriend who isn't as thin as a model but she isn't even into plus sizes. a guy i know saw her in tight clothes and called her a pig! and this guy is a shapeless ugly lump of a man with the personality of a bridge troll. fat rich webmasters always seem to hook up with model-quality girls - then later, they complain about those girls 'cause the ONLY reason they hooked up with them was as a prestige issue - and those lousy bitches turn out to have their own minds!

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Exactly! Do you know how many times I've come across these guys on the Internet who are like, "Muscles ONLY!" and then you meet them in real life and you're like, "Dude, you have NO business being so exclusionary in who you sleep with. You're certainly no specimen of physical perfection."

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most men judge by looks. we don't have to like it, but i suspect that natural selection comes into this. but don't blame bodybuilders - lots of men do this, almost all i know.

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True. Sad, but so, so true...

Maybe I'm a woman??? :)

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]Dang..for a minute there I thought I had a chance with you!:goofy:

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I dunno, dude, you look kinda cute in your cartoon avitar. But is that a mullet you're wearing??? 'Cuz I dunno about that... LOL! :)

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I dunno, dude, you look kinda cute in your cartoon avitar. But is that a mullet you're wearing??? 'Cuz I dunno about that... LOL! :)

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MULLET?? :bomb:
Dude..you and I are soooo through! :whip:

I'm very attracted to muscle guys. But not too big though and not too lean, just in the middle. Enough to lift me up and bang me against the.... mmmm sorry. So yeah i love muscles :)

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I'm very attracted to muscle guys. But not too big though and not too lean, just in the middle. Enough to lift me up and bang me against the.... mmmm sorry. So yeah i love muscles :)

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Hey Scorpie! Good to hear from ya. Hope things are going well.

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I'm very attracted to muscle guys. But not too big though and not too lean, just in the middle. Enough to lift me up and bang me against the.... mmmm sorry. So yeah i love muscles :)

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OK, I can definitely agree with you there, buddy. By the way, fuckin' WOOF!

And you're a Scorpio? You know they say Capricorns and Scorpios have the BEST sex????? :)

Ken

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MULLET?? :bomb:
Dude..you and I are soooo through! :whip:

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Well, the pic makes it look like an old Richard Marx haircut!!! :)

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OK, I can definitely agree with you there, buddy. By the way, fuckin' WOOF!

And you're a Scorpio? You know they say Capricorns and Scorpios have the BEST sex????? :)

Ken

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Scorpio/Scorpio sex is the hottest I have ever had--and this conclusion comes after a LOT of research. The sex is great, but definitely not workable longer than 48 hours. :honest:

I am still conducting research, however, so I will keep you updated on the findings.