SEX WITH ANIMALS?!?! What the fuck?

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Originally Posted by basschick

i have been told *********** is not against the law in all u.s. states, nor against the law in all countries. i checked on google, and this does seem to be the case. so a 21 year old adult cannot buy sex toys in some states, but in some states can fuck unwilling animals :-(

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Ok,

I was an independant film-maker for 2 years and made some really great stuff. But got burned out from the 80 hour work weeks and it took a heavy toll on my marriage. Plus I substituted my alcoholism with work-a-holism. So I returned to being a pornographer and whore.

But with a new perspective on what that actually means.

I have never touched an animal in any kind of sexual way at all. Niether has my wife. (Consider this my over-all and official disclaimer)

This is the business of the morally reprehensible. I am not seeking to pass judgement or question the actions and desires of others. I am only seeking to profit from them. --Within the confines of all LEGAL contexts--

Now I have my own personal rules. Par example, I do not film anyone less than 25 years of age.

1.) Now there are some countries where filming animal pronography is perfectly legal.

2.) The stuff sells like hotcakes and it's fucking super easy to film.

3.) The talent that does these things tend to be genuinly into and not going through the motions. --Not much beastality for pay happening--

4.) And talent will be quick to point out. "I know where my dog has been." ---Perhaps you might get a case of fleas but not H.I.V. on a beastialty site.--

Is it my cup of tea?
Fuck no!!!

Is anyone being hurt by this?
Perhaps they may or may not require physchiatric help. Otherwise they are adults that choose to do this.

Having said all of the above;
I am neither admitting to anything nor am I denying anything.

But in closing I will quote a very wise man. "Judge not! Least ye be judged!"

Hamilton

PS. I have no further comments.

i have a further comment. in general, animals won't fuck human beings. they may hump your leg, but they are not attracted to us. most of the animals in beast are raised from babies to do this. they are trained, and it goes against their natural instincts.

so someone is being hurt by this - animals. some of the smaller animals are literally being hurt, too.

also animals may have different bacterias in their moist parts, and it may not be a smart health move to have sex with them.

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Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele

Ok,

I was an independant film-maker for 2 years and made some really great stuff. But got burned out from the 80 hour work weeks and it took a heavy toll on my marriage. Plus I substituted my alcoholism with work-a-holism. So I returned to being a pornographer and whore.

But with a new perspective on what that actually means.

I have never touched an animal in any kind of sexual way at all. Niether has my wife. (Consider this my over-all and official disclaimer)

This is the business of the morally reprehensible. I am not seeking to pass judgement or question the actions and desires of others. I am only seeking to profit from them. --Within the confines of all LEGAL contexts--

Now I have my own personal rules. Par example, I do not film anyone less than 25 years of age.

1.) Now there are some countries where filming animal pronography is perfectly legal.

2.) The stuff sells like hotcakes and it's fucking super easy to film.

3.) The talent that does these things tend to be genuinly into and not going through the motions. --Not much beastality for pay happening--

4.) And talent will be quick to point out. "I know where my dog has been." ---Perhaps you might get a case of fleas but not H.I.V. on a beastialty site.--

Is it my cup of tea?
Fuck no!!!

Is anyone being hurt by this?
Perhaps they may or may not require physchiatric help. Otherwise they are adults that choose to do this.

Having said all of the above;
I am neither admitting to anything nor am I denying anything.

But in closing I will quote a very wise man. "Judge not! Least ye be judged!"

Hamilton

PS. I have no further comments.

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Your obviously not getting my point; I don't fucking care about what turns you, your wife or someone else on, is it an animal or a human being or a wall clock, I'm saying that it is SICK to include animals in something they can not be asked?!! This is ABUSE!

Do you get the point?

Oh and Hamilton Steele, I need to add this and I may go over the top with this:

but if you can't see anything wrong with this you are some seriously fucked-up person.

And this does NOT APPLY to your sexual preferences but to ABUSE of animals.

ANd to your last sentence:
"But in closing I will quote a very wise man. "Judge not! Least ye be judged"

I say in this case I can easily judge without a fear and say it is sick, perverted and beyond inhumane.

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Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike

I'm into some majorly kinky stuff but everything I do is between two (or three, or four, or twenty) consenting adults. Animals cannot consent to sex with a person and there is no justification for it in my mind.

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Yeahbut, our chosen lifestyle is lumped together with beastality as obsene!


http://www.bluetoonmedia.com/madamek...s-obscene.html

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Originally Posted by dalimili

Your obviously not getting my point; I don't fucking care about what turns you, your wife or someone else on, is it an animal or a human being or a wall clock, I'm saying that it is SICK to include animals in something they can not be asked?!! This is ABUSE!

Do you get the point?

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Originally Posted by dalimili

Oh and Hamilton Steele, I need to add this and I may go over the top with this:

but if you can't see anything wrong with this you are some seriously fucked-up person.

And this does NOT APPLY to your sexual preferences but to ABUSE of animals.

ANd to your last sentence:
"But in closing I will quote a very wise man. "Judge not! Least ye be judged"

I say in this case I can easily judge without a fear and say it is sick, perverted and beyond inhumane.

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Dude,

At what point did I personally slam you in my post? Furthermore I guess the part where I wrote

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Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele

I have never touched an animal in any kind of sexual way at all. Niether has my wife. (Consider this my over-all and official disclaimer)

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Was completely lost on you or you just didn't take the time to read everything before you decided to try and kick me in teeth.

Look, let me put it this way:

I do not film anyone less than 25 years of age. As far as I am concern in this field, it is just fucking wrong. My experience is most 18 year-olds don't know their own ass from a hole in the ground. If I had it my way, all teen product would be pulled from the shelf. And this is just personal opinion.

But despite that I feel this way. You don't see me bitching out other pornographers that do film them. If the are producing a legal product then thats their right to go ahead and do it.

As for the entire Animal Abuse crap:

I don't even own a goldfish. Nor will I ever own any animals as a pet. And all pet owners need to shut up. They are basically taking a creature that was never met to live indoors and training them to conform to some sort of quasi-human lifestyle. They teach them to do tricks, beg for food and walk properly on a leash. Yea--like that's real natural.

I also don't hear people bitching about eating cows or chickens, etc. (And in vietnam they eat dogs too) Pretty fucking one-sided and hypocritcal if you ask me.

My only purpose of my post was this:

If it's legally produced and distributed. Then what's the fucking problem?
And if you have a problem with it, you have a right to lobby the goverment to change the law.

I have more complaint with people that are physically abusive, cage or neglect any creature.

So if it is someone suffocating a gerbal up their ass -- I'm against it.

But if a woman is sucking off her german sheppard -- well it's twisted but I have better things to concern myself with.

Hamilton

you may not agree with hamilton's views, but you already agree with the fact he does not do beast.

more important, i agree 100% with what you're saying (i also haven't eaten meat or bought leather or goods that animal test since 1994) but when you attack someone in this way, it makes me want to distance myself from your views.

in my opinion attacking one of our board members who wasn't attacking anyone AND isn't doing anything wrong

1. is just mean
2. is reactionary, which makes people not listen to your message
3. will make people want to do the opposite of your message, even if you could have convinced them by being courteous and factual.

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Originally Posted by dalimili

Oh and Hamilton Steele, I need to add this and I may go over the top with this:

but if you can't see anything wrong with this you are some seriously fucked-up person.

And this does NOT APPLY to your sexual preferences but to ABUSE of animals.

ANd to your last sentence:
"But in closing I will quote a very wise man. "Judge not! Least ye be judged"

I say in this case I can easily judge without a fear and say it is sick, perverted and beyond inhumane.

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Yes, I agree, it is mean.

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Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele

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But in closing I will quote a very wise man. "Judge not! Least ye be judged!"

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Matthew 7:1 King James Version

1-Judge not, that ye be not judged.

New American Standard Bible

1-Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

2-For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

3-"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

When the first verse is used, without 2nd and 3rd, the Lesson is not really clear. But when I read all 3 it teaches me that not only should I not judge others, but I should look at myself first.

Or in plain English:
Don't be sticking my nose into other ppls business, when my own life needs looking after.

Oh if we ALL could just live by those Lessons .. Heaven knows it's not what's being taught in modern Christianity!
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Hey Lee!
How did your weekend of Bible reading go last month?

And look at all the people in power now judging everyone else.

I hope your God gives them what they deserve :pie:

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Originally Posted by Madame0120

Matthew 7:1 King James Version

1-Judge not, that ye be not judged.

New American Standard Bible

1-Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

2-For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

3-"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

When the first verse is used, without 2nd and 3rd, the Lesson is not really clear. But when I read all 3 it teaches me that not only should I not judge others, but I should look at myself first.

Or in plain English:
Don't be sticking my nose into other ppls business, when my own life needs looking after.

Oh if we ALL could just live by those Lessons .. Heaven knows it's not what's being taught in modern Christianity!
:wacko:

Hey Lee!
How did your weekend of Bible reading go last month?

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I was raised Catholic and I swear the first steps to my leaving the Catholic Church was when I noticed how everyone stood outside the church after mass saying hello to everyone and talking all nice, and then they would get in their cars and cut each other off, swear at each other, and push their way to get out of the parking lot first. So much for spending an hour with the Lord. LOL!

Oh, and then there was the time when an altar boy punched me out in CCD class.

And then there was the time a priest said they should not allow Mothers and Students Against Drunk Driving because it taught kids that drinking was okay as long as you didn't drive and they shouldn't teach safe sex in school because it promotes promiscuity.

And then there was the time a well dressed priest in a very fancy, ornately decorated church spent the entire sermon telling the congragation how they should give to the church even if they didn't have enough food to eat, and how it was their responsibility to give "till it hurts".

There were many other reasons over the years that sent me on my own spiritual path, but these were just a few of the first things that hit me. There's a great line from a Sting song "Men go crazy in congregations, they only get better one by one".

Yah, now here is a topic that really gets under my skin and pisses me off!

In my eyes, animals and babies are no different (biped or not) ... they are Mama Nature's vestige of innocence and purity (well, excluding cats, because they are evil) and humanity wants to huck that out the window so to make another $.

No matter what lie you tell yourself, raping an animal is no different from raping a baby! (Only people arrogant enough to believe humans deserve to be on earth more than other animals will argue differently.)
For those that argue it is 'OK' ...where is the consent form.


However, maybe it is because I have no use for kids (I took care of the potential, simply because I never want to be part of THAT, also, I do not have much patience for em).

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Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele

Is anyone being hurt by this?
Perhaps they may or may not require physchiatric help. Otherwise they are adults that choose to do this.

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That is not a fair query, and it should be reworded: Is any creature being harmed?

Hamilton,

While I agree with you on the legalities of the issue alone, I have to say that I think this is one area where the government SHOULD step in and clarify this law, if in fact making and distributing *********** porn is considered "legal." As far as the ethics are concerned, if there is not expressed consent on the part of the animal, it's simply unethical. And last time I checked, animals did not have the ability to talk like we humans do. :)

I remember this one time when a buddy of mine sent me this movie file of a woman blowing a horse. It disturbed me for days after seeing it. I think it was one of the most disgusting things I'd ever looked at. It was one of those things that you didn't want to watch, but it was only like 5 or 10 seconds and I was so shocked when it started playing I just sat there staring with my mouth open for so long the movie ended before I even had a chance to shut it off. I still cringe just thinking about it.

Sex with animals is just not kosher.

To make things clear, Hamilton Steele, I am not attacking you. I am merely providing my point of view.

As for bringing religion in to this (whomever that was) ... most religions still believe/preach a). a person is supposed to have sex for the purpose of procreation & b). only man and woman are to procreate (if you are a roman catholic priest, then I guess children would be an exception).