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Hey Tom, thanx a lot for the very kind and flattering words. I don't write to impress, just to relay a point, so it makes me happy to know that it comes across. Sometimes I wonder. I can be a bit verbose. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tombarr
Thanx again!
In the mid-90's a had a straight friend (who was an aspiring filmmaker) say to me that he would love to see just one movie where a gay person was just one of the character. Not for comic relief, or to prove some point, and not in a "gay movie" specifically, but a movie where their sexuality was not an issue at all. In a way, I see Brokeback Mountain as being that. The sexuality of the main characters was important to the plot, but the movie was not about them being gay, and they were not gay for shock value or to appeal just to a gay audience. This was a story of two people, and the joy and tragedy of thier relationship first and foremost.
And you know, I hate hearing the radio talk jockey's refer to it as the "gay cowboy" movie. That really pissed me off. But I do think the fact that it's a very mainstream movie with critical acclaim more people will go see it.
Reductive is thinking that I only watch movies for entertainment. You just automatically jump to the conclusion and go off on your rants again. You use words very cheaply. You don't give them much weight and it's basically just fluff, the hallmark of amateurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Okay boys, play nice or I'm gonna turn this forum around and go right back home!
Ok, I got a little carried away there (maybe), i'll behave. Geez that's the second time i've had to say that today :)
Excuse me, Mr. Cheap Shot, but this was your quote, exactly as you wrote it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskyhunks
From this, it would be safe to assume that your point was, as YOU YOURSELF say, "I approach them as entertainment." I was NOT putting any words in your mouth. I was simply sharing my reaction to your very clear statement. You may have taken it as a rant against you, but my intention simply to share an opposing point of view, not for arugment's sake, but just for the sake of a different POV.Quote:
It's a movie, not a movement. I always approach them as entertainment.
As for your opinion on the merits of my writing, I could really care less what you think. You're making your presence as someone who prefers to attack rather than engage in MATURE, ADULT discussions very clear on this board. You don't need my help in the area at all.
Yes Ken,
Every movie I go to see, I want to be entertained by. That is the bare prerequisite for watching them. Why is it necessary for me to go beyond that here in this forum ?
Beyond that, I look for character and plot development, acting both technical and overalll presence and breadthe, the interlacing of the musical composition, did I really have to say all that because I love cinema and I study it ?
You love to dish it but you can't take criticism. I'm sorry if I don't buy into your grandiose viewpoint of yourself.
Dude, honestly, what is your problem??? I can take criticism just fine, when it's warranted or when it makes sense. But you're avoiding the point, which is that you attacked me for misrepresenting your opinion, which is the exact same opinion that you've just reiterated, which is that you don't view movies as anything other than simple entertainment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskyhunks
That is fine with me, believe it or not. I was simply pointing out that, whether or not you think of movies as anything more than that, there are many filmmakers and artists who intentions are not so, for lack of a better word, basic.
Once again, you choose to go off-topic and resort to personal attacks when you disagree with someone. I'm sorry if, for some reason, my writing seems to rub you the wrong way. What should I do about that? Change who I am? As you can see in this thread, there are those who actually enjoy what I have to write. Who's right? Whatever. I just write what I feel and hope someone relates to it.
You have the right to not like what I have to say, but honestly, what's with all the unnecessary name-calling? Can't you figure out ways of disagreeing with someone without resorting to such petty tactics? This is the second time that you've specifically come after me simply b/cuz you don't like what I have to say -- or apparently, how I say it. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but dude, knock off the childish remarks already. It's beaneath you.
Again, this is a message board, where differing opinions should be shared. It's in how you share them that defines your character.
And for the record, I don't feel that I'm dishing anything out. I don't come on this board to criticize anyone or to attack their character, but just to share my opinions on certain topics and to faciliate a working relationship with those that I hope to work with and/or write about. If I become engaged in conversations that stimulate thought in me, I will share those thoughts in the most respectful manner possible. If I've failed somewhere, please feel free to point this out to me and I'll be happy to apologize. And feel free to disagree with my opinions all you like, but really, don't attack my character just b/cuz you don't appreciate my style of writing.
HAHA!Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Hell, did they even HAVE lube in 1963??? :)
as me mother pointed out when it comes to f*cking..err..baking , always line the "bottom' with butter! , but crisco will work just as well :goof:Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
sincerely ..."101 things around the house you can use as lube"...
Yeah Vasaline right? ha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Remember their first spur of the moment encounter in the tent when the guy gets it up the bum? No lube. OUCH
What was your favorite part of the film?
Well, he DID use spit at least. Haha. Apparently Jake was already self-lubed. He was the "more experienced" of the two... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
For me, there are SO many "favorite parts" of the movie. Like the 2nd love scene they have. It's so tender and romantic and loving. And the reunion kiss is pretty hot. And the flashback, when they are embracing by the fire so lovingly and tenderly. I'm such a sap; that's the stuff I love. My favorite moments in King Kong were the sunset scenes and the scene in Central Park. :)
Apart from that, I especially love the quieter moments, where the emotion comes through in the acting where there aren't any words. When Alma opens the kitchen door and sees Ennis and Jack together, the way that Michelle Williams handles that moment is BRILLIANT! The way her face tenses up, then darkens as she sees it, then the following moments when she retreats into the house. Amazing. And just the way that so much comes through in the grunts that Heath Ledger emits from his throat. Jake Gyllenhaal clears his throat in the beginning in the bar scene, and it's just so natural, and it conveys so much. And when Ennis is on the phone with Lurene at the end, and he tells her that he and Jack used to herd sheep up on Brokeback, the involuntary sound that comes out of her throat in that moment is PRICELESS and so revelatory.
Brokeback is a beautiful showcase for some of the most natural, authentic, award-worthy acting I've ever seen. Ang Lee gets such amazing, understated performances out of his actors. I am simply in awe of his talent as a director. I studied directing and acting in college, so I guess I pay a lot of attention to that stuff.
Brokeback was a LOT like My Own Private Idaho ( One of my most favorite movies of all time for many reasons ). I think Ang Lee was inspired by My Own Private Idaho in directing this film. There are also a lot of underlying themes are the same: Nature & homosexuality, moments by the firelight, empoverished Gay men, a closet case, seperation of two loves, the openly Gay character longing for the closet case, anonymous sex, paid sex, gay bashing, the list goes on. What do you think?
Hmmm, I didn't notice the connection. I do think, though, that is resembles a lot of his other films, and touches on the same themes: loneliness and isolation, repression and desire, repression OF desire, societal influence, etc. etc. It's very similar to Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, one of my top 10 fave films of all times. He is such a lyrical and understated director. He never hits you over the head with his stories. He simply tells them, and you are left to deal with your reactions to them on your own. I think he's one of the best directors of recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
OMG I can't believe you don't see the parallels between the two movies. If you watched My Own Private Idaho tonight I think you'd see what I mean. Both good moviesQuote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude