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NP thax man I sent you a e-mailQuote:
Originally Posted by CCBill James
Just because you cashed your Verotel cheque does not give me cause to "not worry." I've cashed all of my Verotel cheques to date. But I've heard more than once on this board about Vertoel bouncing cheques, that worries me. How could it happen anyway, should the money owed be moved over to a payout account and left there?
I think ccbill is a better option for you.
Cheers
Michael
I no longer sign up for programs that use Verotel. I signed up for some really good sites that used them awhile back and I didn't make a dime. When I promote similar sites that use CCbill I usually do very well. I also don't like thair webmaster admin area.
Ya guys I think I am going to have to do that, it just makes me feel like in some ways I am getting fucked though, but what can I do I really need more affiliates that’s the reason you make sites. I also know its going to be a 2-4 day nightmare for me with all these rules and stuff, I want to make a real hard-core young as possible site and in many ways they want the opposite. So this site going to be fun to see how far I can push it, cuzz I do want to push it as far as I can. :evil:
Ok, first I am in a bitchy mood. Been up all nite with php and dealing with wordpress.
Max, don't know much about you. I have been out of industry for a year or so playing poker. I guess I don't know how serious you are.
He asked a real newbie question and still didn't get the right answer.
IF you are serious about the success of your program and websites and plan on being in the business a long time then signing up with Ccbill is a no bariner. You shouldn't even have to ask that quaestion.
But just signing up with Ccbill is a mistake as well.
You really should sign up with Ccbill and Epoch. In a perfect system you should have in place a program that spreads out the members between the two or uses one as a backup in case the other doesnt get the members. It's risk management 101. As well as catching a signup that one may reject for whatever reason.
You should also have in place some geo tracking revenue model as well to capture foreign traffic.
You are worried about setup fees and mentioned you want your own merchant account. Do you even know what many banks want for a deposit processing adult? And if you do you still have to deal with scrubbing unless you go with a company like net billing, which charges fees ontop of the fees you pay the merchant bank.
Verotel bounced a $900 check I got. IMHO anyone relying on them exclusively for their business is not in this for the long haul.
This is a very personal issue for me as I started in early 1999 when porn was still a goldmine. I lost 1$4,000 a month in recurring icome overnite when DMR went out of business. You may not even know who they were.
Even practicing what I thought was proper risk management in both who i used as a processor and sponsors I chose, I lost about $6,000 a month in recurring income when I bill did whatever they are still in the process of doing.
I am not saying that CCbill or Epoch will go bust tomorrow. But even though Epoch now has a good reputation, three or four years ago, they went through a transition and were in trouble. Who knows what tomorrow will bring for any of these comapnies.
The more processors and processing streams (checks, 900, dialers, geo tracking) you have in place the better your risk management is and the more revenue you will make.
Goto any big webmaster program and click the join page to their sites. See how may use vortel. There is a reason why you wont find many that do.
On another note, does that gay market really need ANOTHER twink site? About the only twink site I will market is boy fun collection because the members just stay forever. Or maybe a new pay per signup twink site when it first hits the market (first 2 months), after that the conversions are so bad its not worth it even to a $40 per signup site.
Despite what some have said in another post, as you grow you want to be able to go after the big fish. You want the big fish to promote you. The more money you make for them the more that they will make for you. You will make more money for them by offering them a solid business/procesing model.
I'm curious why you even ask this question. You don't even promote your current paysite to potential affiliates on this board. If additional affiliates were such a concern of your's, why don't you have a button in your sig? I can think of many worse places to promote than GWW. ;)
i'd say at least 30 and 50% less with verotel.
for one thing, verotel won't let you pay more than 50% max. the best incentive for people who can send big traffic is 5 or 10% extra as a bonus.
the verotel stats are hopeless - people who need info to tweak their traffic, won't even bother to promote verotel.
and before you decide you can easily use free hosted galleries on verotel i suggest you try to set up a gallery using verotel numbers and see if you can get the account number to pass through. i couldn't for some reason - and since verotel doesn't offer multiple url linking, you may need some scripting to make your galleries work.
abostonboy - the only ways i see to spread your members through two processors for affiliates is to either cascade (which means max has to for cascading software and pay affiliates or pay someone to pay them) or offer both processors and either alternate them on your signup page from day to day or else let affiliates choose who they want - but then who would want verotel or epoch stats? for epoch stats to do the most good you need to work with the data dump, which means custom programming.
I mean cascading. That's why i ssaid I didn't know musch about him. What was his intentions in the biz. Is he dropping a few grand on a site and putting it out. Or does he have hopes/plans of becomming big. I guess if he's just dropping a few grand on a site and wants to see how it goes then go with Ccbill. But if he wants to grow, be big, and BE SAFE, then yea he needs to cascade and spend the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
I mean I got different vibes when reading his post. One was complaining about the setup fee then mentioning opening a merchant account then growing to five sites. If I was running five sites in niches that could generate traffic and serious sales, then the investment in cascading backend is more than worth it.
I guess what I am trying to say is you never want the model you decide to launch with be something that limits you in the future.
Think of money you invest in your business now as money invested for future growth and safety. For me I still have nightmares about DMR and IBill and all the problems Epoch had a few years backs.
I mean we really are now relying on two companies in teh whole industry to do all the processing for us. That in itself is a scary thought.
Yes very scary!Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
However, we've started to invest the money made from this industry into another entirely unrelated business which in no way could be affected by a processor shutting down. When the day comes you can still pay your mortgage or rent & food ;)
I know I took a couple years out of the biz and pretty much did the same thing as well.
Relying on one anything --processsor, producer, designer, or even attorney is a bad idea. Just like a chair is more stable with 4 legs than one, having more than one processor in this business and cascading will pay for itself not only in gaining a greater percentage of sales [fewer declines] you will give yourself greater exposure to more affiliates. It is hard to say a hard percentage number, but the common theme among all the answers here seems to be that using CCBill as a processor does pay for itself.
Selling porn is a business, and a real business requires investment. The investment of time, effort and money will pay for itself and be an asset if you can use that asset properly. Personally, I would rather pay 15% on $10000 of sales than 7% on $1500 in sales, but you will have to find that out for yourself--it is called risk and taking risks is part of doing business. There are no guarantees the investments you make in your business will pay off, and other people's histories in similar investments, while a good indicator, are certainly not a guarantee it will work for you. Your results may vary.:toff:
Well man, my site was really not ready before, and to tell the truth it did help my sales to be the only one promoting it. But I am paying so much to have a total redesign of the site created, and would like to start getting ready to open the other 4 sites I have planed. Its just comes down to if I am going to change things I might as well go all the way, I really do think I could make better sales myself with a less rule oriented processor, but what can I do? Webmasters like this Ccbill stuff even if it is not as good from a site owners point of view.
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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
You are right bass, right now I will keep both processors, but from what I see affiliates will all pick this ccbill stuff. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place with all this, if I want affiliates I have to offer what they trust/like, even if I think I could really make more sales with a less rule oriented processor myself. When this first site is done I will also offer super deals for affiliates to get them to give me a try, hell I do not think I will make any money at all from affiliates this whole summer slump because I will be giving them about everything they make. But i have been an affiliate for years and really want to take care of the people that promote my site in anyway I can, even if that means I will make much less money.
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Originally Posted by basschick