Max,
I PM'ed you the other day with all the details you were looking for. Let me know if there's anything you're looking for that I didn't list, and let's talk.
I didn't see myself anywhere on your list. What's up?
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Max,
I PM'ed you the other day with all the details you were looking for. Let me know if there's anything you're looking for that I didn't list, and let's talk.
I didn't see myself anywhere on your list. What's up?
BTW, that must be one hell of an old list. BasicMale hasn't been around for years.
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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Thax Xstr8, but I have that one on my list :chicken:
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Originally Posted by abostonboy
Well not sure I am ready to put photographers all over the world to work :) I am really trying to wrap up the non exclusive stuff first, that said I do not think it will even take me a year or so before I am done with that stuff that I want. So I am sure I will have to pay other photographers for fresh stuff then, again though I will probably only pay for action stuff and make my own solo stuff.
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Originally Posted by xenigo
Well the prices are kinda high man, not that I will post them in public. Its just that for about 2 of the action deals I could pay for all the camera equipment I ever need and pay all the models myself. Then I could make future content myself, allot cheaper.
That list is not really my list, and really just looking for non exclusive stuff right now.
Ya that list must be old like 1/3 of them are no longer around, but as far as I can tell that’s about my only choices” well have a few more on my personally list like xstr8 said but not many.Quote:
Originally Posted by xenigo
The rates I charge are actually quite reasonable by comparison to other photographers. I provide a speciality product, shot in a very high quality fashion. And, there are very few photographers who even shoot twink content on an exclusive basis. Yes, you can certainly go out and buy the equipment yourself. But if you're running a program, and dealing with webmasters all day, and working on maintaining the site and keeping your members happy, who has the time for dealing with models and shooting? Shooting content is an art, are you going to devote your life like I have to creating something people love? One thing I've learned over the years, is that everyone with a 1ds MII isn't created equal. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
It's very attractive for a program owner to never have to deal with the bullshit that goes along with shooting, recruiting, advertising, location scouting, etc. That's an 80+ hour work week right there. I'm answering emails and on the phone from 10am to 2am 4 days a week. I take care of all of that for you. I charge enough to make it worth my while, and to pay the models enough to actually come through reliably. Also, I charge enough to make sure I'm here next month, etc.
I think you'll notice from that list, a lot of those people who aren't around anymore tried to get by charging bargain basement prices. Where are they now? And who will their clients end up buying from now? :)
Also, most photographers out there shoot garbage. I've worked for years, and years, and years to educate myself in photography. Photographic style is something that takes years to develop, and isn't something you can simply buy.
Buying from the cheapest photographer on the block isn't a smart move. If you're paying $800 for 12 sets of content, I can almost guarantee it won't be anywhere near the quality that I provide. And it won't have the same impact on your surfers, either.
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xenigo, your detailed and intelligent description of your services may be lost on a recipient that is not cut out for the industry
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Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
uhm Xenigo, I am curious of your works so may I please see some of it?
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Well I am not knocking, what you are doing or anything I know you have to pay the rent too, I also know am not really experienced with all the photography stuff. Its just right now that would not be the best way to spend my money. The reason I am changing my system over so much is so I will have time to create my own content and expand the non exclusive movies and videos I have. I know at first it will take me longer to do shots and I will have to edit the videos and take a huge amount of pics to get the once I need, but that said in the end I will have real exclusive content, and not just new pics of known models. Just like you I have to be cost effective in what I do, and making a profit on the content is by far the most important thing.
All this said about my inexperience with photography, I do know about color, themes, and what viewers want. It just seems to me that if I am going to invest so much, it would be best if I want real exclusive content to spend the time to learn the ins and outs of it myself. :signhere:
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Originally Posted by xenigo
the better the content, the better the retention. is that simple. so there IS no better place to spend your money. for many years the sites that held onto members for us always had the best content within their niche - and exclusive or not seen around too much was a big plus.
OK I really hate to get of my own theme here, and do not want to get dragged down into public arguments, but can some point towards a photographer that could make me a cheap exclusive solo set. I just want one or so to start off with so I can say I have exclusive content in my tour, before they finish the tour and I have to change it later on when I get more serious about this exclusive stuff.
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Originally Posted by basschick
Ya bass I do not argue that point at all, its just that I do have lot of full-length movies and non exclusive stuff to wrap up before I take the next set and start making like 50-75% of my own stuff.
i would worry about doing this. having a single exclusive set but claiming exclusive content could lead to a lotta disgruntled members...
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Originally Posted by maxpower
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Originally Posted by basschick
I really do understand that bass, but exclusive content will be a big part of this site in the future. Its just that I am trying to look ahead a year or 2 with the design of the site, and really do not want to flat out lie. From what you said changing the tour will be a bitch after it is completed, so I was just thinking it might be a good idea to say something about it now. I will be wrapping up this non exclusive movie stuff soon, and moving on to exclusive videos/picture. To go into a bit more detail I plan at first to mainly do solo exclusive shots for many reasons, this is why I am so interested now in purchasing action twink content every place I can get it.