Where did i mention one view a day?
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Where did i mention one view a day?
Sorry Corbin
Another thing. Nearly everyone of your DRM protected videos is on gay-torrents.net
If that was indeed your experience, it's unfortunate.
But despite however much you might think, your own personal experience (as you present it here, at least, for sake of the argument you're attempting to make) and that of some unnamed and anonymous ad verecundium do not qualify as representative of our members' experiences.
No offense but I simply don't find your story as being all that believable. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I personally feel you're making statements to be combative and support your argument and are either exagerrating or flat out lying in an attempt to get your point across.
I hesitate to say this because it risks my coming across as sounding immodest, higher-than-thou and egotistical but I'll take that risk... if it were at all possible, conceivable or in any way plausible that the experience you've related here in any way represented that of a considerable number of our members, much less a considerable proportion of our members, we would not have the membership we have today, the reputation we have today, the following we have today, and be as successful as we are. It's as simple as that.
I'm not going to share sales numbers or anything like that, but I know many of the folks that post on this board are members of more surfer-oriented boards. So if we're going to go with anecdotal evidence to support our arguments, here's my foray in to that. These are quotes from members posting on JustUsBoys.com (a site that promotes us despite our apparent inability to convert or retain on account of some mythical draconian DRM policy... hrm...):
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I'm glad to see Corbin Fisher is leading [OTHER SITE]. Corbin still is personally involved with his site on a level that customers like to see. He answered every email I have ever sent him. From just curious questions to technical issues.
Corbin has also personally emailed and thanked me for every suggestion or like/dislike I have left in his comment section AND most of all, once you get a Corbin Fisher video download and the license to play it is issued to Media Player, the video is good FOREVER (or until you trash your license backup) totally unlike [OTHER SITE] where the videos are only good as long as your membership is current. What a money grab and rip off that is.
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I voted for corbin fisher, because I have been on that site for a while and its great.
Note: the above quotes were made by surfers in a thread in which 112 JUB surfers voted on which paysite among 22 choices they felt was the best. 50 of them ( 45% ) voted for CorbinFisher.com . I mention that only in response to what you're attempting to say - that our members' experiences must be miserable and our DRM implementation must be debilitating to their ability to enjoy their membership. I don't mention that in any way to gloat or suggest that we are better than the other sites listed. Many of the other choices in that poll are sites I am a huge fan of and that I am a member of myself. I could think of plenty of sites that were on that list, that are deserving of every ounce of praise I could muster.Quote:
CF [CORBINFISHER] is the best!!!
Nonetheless, some more quotes in keeping with our anectodal theme...
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Corbin Fisher is usually pretty quick to get wind of people trading pirated materials, especially when they are posted on a gay porn venue like this, and is very effective when it comes to shutting them down. Moreover, I think JUB does not like to abet guys trading pirated materials protected by copywrite: they might be held liable.
My advice to you is just pony up the $$ and join. You can do the weeks membership for $20, and download a bunch to your hard drive. You can look at them after your subscription has expired. Trust me, it's worth it
I subscribe a couple of time a year.
This entire thread if full of people quite understanding of our DRM and our desire to protect our content, in fact.Quote:
Corbin Fisher allows you to continue to view movies that you've downloaded on to your hard-drive after you supbscription as expired.
I can't imagine that his profits are that huge, given production costs, etc, so I can appreciate why his videos are protected.
Do what I do: get a trial week subscription every six months and refresh your cache of material. He's always got something inspiring
Hell, just do a search on JUB for "corbin" and among various comments praising particular models or dissing particular models or the great many talking about which ones may and may not actually be straight and other things relating to content itself (which would suggest that despite our allegedly oppressive DRM usage, people are joining the site and watching the videos. Repeatedly, even!) most every reference to our DRM is an expression of gratitude that the license is permanent. In fact, when CorbinFisher.com and DRM get mentioned together, it's almost always in a positive note about how we let them keep the license forever.
There are a couple posts I spotted where people mentioned having technical issues and being unable to view the videos (Any paysite owner here who has never once had a member that was unable to view one of their videos or never once had a member who had technical difficulties, please let me know so that I may idolize you forever), but thankfully CorbinFisher.com has a full-time tech support staff on hand. In fact, not only do we have a full-time tech support staff on hand all day, every day (including weekends!) but we also have someone who checks on all tech support e-mails overnight! And it's also often Corbin himself that responds to technical issue emails ... a great retention tool, btw. Almost as good as DRM.
The overriding experience of our members is:
- They are extremely pleased with the content
- They understand why we have DRM and are grateful we've implemented it generously
- They appreciate how they can send CorbinFisher.com either a feedback or tech support e-mail anytime of day and receive a prompt and helpful response on the rare occasion a tech support issue comes up
I'm still looking for posts on JUB about DRM lag on our site but can't find any. I'll head over to ATKOL next. Anyone else feel free to suggest some surfer-oriented boards for me and I'll search there too. I'll also go through our support tickets to check. Haven't found any there yet either.
But in the meantime I'm inclined to believe we don't have some license acquisition lag epidemic. Could it be your experience was unique? Made up? Goodness!
You mentioned it right before you told us to fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
I'm not following your argument here...
You say you joined for a month. And had 3 (first 3... then it became 2-3) instances of lag.
Was this the same time you joined and then said fuck off cuz of some "one view a day"?
Or was it another time? Another time among the... one times?
And when you said you'd fuck off and never join again... was it because of the lag or because of the one view a day rule? Exactly how many different "one times" were there, and how many different reasons were the one reason you would never join again... for the first and only time... ever...?
months on end... never joined again "EVER!" because of a "one view a day" that you said we went to but that you never said we went to... "never joined again. EVER!" kind of implies multiple joins.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
But now we're back to only one single join. Ever? Apparently. So it wasn't months on end so much as one individual month? And a bad one at that, apparently, because not only was that the month the authentication server was down on 3 seperate occasions but also the month that we did some kind of a one view a day that was the reason you cancelled and never joined again EVER... for the second or perhaps first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
it wasnt lag, the authorization server did not authorize. It was down.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD
So let's run with that then. And say that the experience you're relating here of the authorization server being down on apparently 3 different occasions during whatever month or months you were a member (joining a site as a surfer and then turning around and attempting to trash talk it as a webmaster here on this board is very professional, btw) really is a problem that is as bad as you say it is, something that must be experienced by a considerable portion of our members, something that must be inherent to DRM and the purely, sinfully evil way we've implemented it and enough to dissuade any company from implementing DRM at all, much less as we have done so... how come I couldn't find anyone among the many posts on JUB specifically discussing our DRM mention your experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
How is it that CorbinFisher is still in business?! At all?! How is it that anyone here who might promote us manages to get a single sale that's not charged back? And how also do we have so low a chargeback ratio?!
Corbin,
I was going to market your site. I do well with str8 sites.
I joined when I was on the road last June during gay pride in Boston. So a year ago and a week.
I watched a video and on several occasions had to pause rewind and play again because it lagged.
Sorrta sucks when you are ready to cum. But what could i do. Lucas is cute. I was in a hotel room.
Got home logged in and downloaded a video to see if it was better than streaming. Still the same issue.
A couple nights later, I couldn't even watch a video via streaming or dl. I wasnt getting an authorization key. Looked thru the Windows media messages. And realized the server was down to authorize.
This happened two or three times over the next couple weeks.
And to be perfectly honest i didnt even go every nite. I may join a site to see if i want to market and if it's good enough to get me off, I can then honestly say it got me off.
Unfortunately I had issues with lag on more than one occassion and on at leas two times over the course of several weeks. I was not getting an authorization via the DRM system. It was down or busy or whatever it was doing.
I believe at that time you had in the members area a notice saying that now you can only view once in a 24 hr period. I could be wrong, but i am almost sure of this.
Recently I talked to another in the industry about how DRM technology is frustrating and I mentioned I joined a site and could not view the video beacsue the authorization did not go through. This same person had the same issue recently. And I said it sucks because it is what i consider the best site on the net. The models run circles around Sean Cody. The person said OMG it's Corbin right? i said yes. Same issue this person had note ven a short while ago. i had the issue one year and a week ago (I know beacuse i was in a hotel during Boston pride in a different city travelling).
Actually not to confuse you, the night I joined i could watch with what appeared to be the video stopping. It was several days later that I had the authorization isuue.
And I still believe that at that time you had a notice that you had changed the policy to a one view per day.
Maybe you have since changed.
The authorization serever failing to respond happend at least twice maybe three times. Considering i may hev been to the site a total of 7 or 8 times, it seems high.
think about that. As a webmaster don't you want to know what the surfer's experience may be?Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD
And IF you had a different drm policy a year ago you will not find it on just us boys. ANY mention of your site when I do a serach ends around Nov 2005.
I will glady give you the information about my membership. When i mentioned the str8 boy sites. it was Sean cody. Sorry. Even though Lucas is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD
And you still havent addressed the issue of why have DRM when your new videos are on gay-torrents.net. And I go there every day as its a battle to see if i have dieos there from my asian site. they seem to love asian boys on teh torrents.
abostonboy,
I wish you'd presented your case in this manner from the get go. You had a technical issue, those happen. But there are particular reasons for it that are not representative of today's CorbinFisher.com member experience. The manner in which you first presented your experience in this thread was, I felt, entirely uncalled for. And that's why it solicited a rather aggressive response from me.
This is from the June 14, 2005 news entry on our site (you can read it yourself by going to CorbinFisher, hitting "AGREE" and then clicking on the NEWS button):
That happened one year ago. Right at the time you joined. Our site was growing at such a fast pace we had to make massive server and hosting upgrades to accomodate the growth. During the time you joined, all of that was taking place. A complete overhaul and upgrade of our servers.Quote:
June 14, 2005
Our latest straight stud is online - don't miss Jacob!
Site Upgrade: We have been growing by leaps and bounds (a big thanks to our loyal subscribers!) and have been working hard to improve the site and its performance:
* We are now on a dedicated GigE switch which will give us 10 times the bandwith capacity that we had before!!
* We have increased our already sizable server "fleet" by 25%
* We improved model search tools in the members area so that they will be a lot more useful!
* Going forward, we are increasing the size of the still photo galleries to 600x600!
Could that have something to do with the problems you encountered?
We have, as I'm sure you know, a very large site with a considerably large membership base. Many, many members. We have a massive amount of hosting resources allocated to our site (go to our hosting facility and check out our boxes and you'd think you got sucked in to a Tron sequel) to cover all of this.
Occasionally, people experience technical issues. Occasionally, we perform massive upgrades and additions to our servers to accomodate growth. Precisely because of those factors, we have (at all times of the day and at all times of the evening, as well as on weekends) people attending to members technical support questions. People like me awake at 4:30am corresponding with members (and you during the in-between times).
If, a year and a week ago, you had e-mailed our technical support staff to explain your difficulties, you would have been made aware of the news item I posted above. You would also have likely had your membership extended, free of charge. You might even have been given a refund of the existing membership.
THAT is the member experience. On the rare occasional a technical issue comes up, we deal with it. But otherwise, they are extremely pleased with the site and constantly and in great numbers getting off to it, eagerly and happily, to the great pleasure of us and of our affiliates.
I appreciate your having had the desire to join the site in the first place and the eagerness and optimism with which you went in to it and appreciate your compliments on the models as well as your fondness for the straight guy niche that we're also, obviously, quite fond of here.
I can not appreciate, however, the way in which CorbinFisher was first referenced by you in this thread. I'm sure you can understand why. With your first few posts about us, you could have had a seriously debilitating effect on the impression other professionals we respect and work with have of us. People could have left this thread with a poor, and I feel completely false, impression of our site, it's support, and it's ability to convert and retain.
All the while, it turns out you'd joined in the midst of a complete server overhal and upgrade that was being explained to the membership and was being dealt with and attended to by our support staff.
Don't get me wrong... it still sucks joining a site right at the exact time they're doing all that. But you made it sound like that simply must have been characteristic of our entire site, as a whole, all the time. And we do nothing about it. And that's simply not the case.
I think you need to be very aware of how things can come across on a board and how we should be responsible with what we say.
Corbin,
as your member I've also experience server downtime on several occasions. Twice it did not authorize me. But when server is really busy videos stuck quite a few times.
Don't know if it has to do with DRM technology or just the server.
On a good note, it's nice that you let people download your material unlike SC.
Yes. Which is why we have a group of our members betatest any change or update we make to the site. And why we personally respond to every single email (that is not an exagerration. Every single one) that we receive. And why we constantly and actively solicit feedback from our members. And why we have someone reading and responding to emails around the clock, every day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
There is a big difference between all of that, though, and a webmaster joining a site for a mix of personal and professional reasons to then move on and make inaccurate statements, presented as fact, on a webmaster discussion board.
I am a member and fan of several sites represented by posters here. I love their work and their sites and enjoy the stuff they produce very much. But I don't come in here and tell everyone on this board about it and how they should avoid that site and how it can't possibly convert or retain everytime it takes too long for one of their videos to buffer or I have login difficulties. That's crossing the line in to something entirely inappropriate and unprofessional.