FBI does 2257 check

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Originally Posted by DEVELISH

This is because some freak in office being conroled by a more freaky leage of people signs wicked laws enabling the US-Spy-Corps to break constitutional laws not only in the USofA but also constitutional laws and regular laws in other countries all in the name of "War on Terrorism".

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Sadly, you're 100% right. I wonder what else will be banned because of "War on Terrorism".


Here's the screencap. The name of the site in question was elitetorrents dot org. Not a pretty sight.

http://xiando.org/xxx_bittorrent_sit...of_justice.jpg

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I am very looking forward for being criminalized upon entering the "Country of the Free" and having my picture and fingerprints taken by Immigration.

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Joking or for real? If you're looking forward to lots of sex in US prisons, I think you'll be greatly disappointed. :D

The long and the short of it is...if they want you bad enough...they'll get yah no matter where you are...:whip:

Ben, one scenario you didn't think about...
How would someone determine who owns a particular site/domain? They would check the whois info, right? What would happen if a webmaster transferred all domains to an non-american business address/owner? The DOJ would have no jurisdiction for a records inspection. Maybe they could shut you down if they suspected you of illegal activity. But if you were doing nothing wrong and featured obviously adult models, I don't think they would bother.

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

Ben, one scenario you didn't think about...
How would someone determine who owns a particular site/domain? They would check the whois info, right? What would happen if a webmaster transferred all domains to an non-american business address/owner? The DOJ would have no jurisdiction for a records inspection.

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Well, basically such a webmaster would fall under my categories Person C or Person D, depending on whether he chose to host in America or offshore. But, if a lot of US webmasters start doing what you described, there's no question the DOJ would see through it and find a way to hm... discourage the practice.

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Maybe they could shut you down if they suspected you of illegal activity. But if you were doing nothing wrong and featured obviously adult models, I don't think they would bother.

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I hope you're right. But if they start inspecting medium and small-sized adult sites/webmasters that feature obviously adult models, I'm gonna get real queasy.

A site made in a non-american country can be seen in America, but it cannot be proven that the person who made the site intended it to be seen by Americans. The US thinks it can. That's the problem.

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If you are a primary producer or a primary and a 'secondary' producer, expect an inspection," wrote Tom Hymes, media coordinator for the Free Speech Coalition. "If you are in the latter category and are also a member of the Free Speech Coalition, only the primary producer records are subject to inspection."

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so much for the law being applied equally to all

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Originally Posted by Ben

Last year, when a pirated copy of the movie Revenge of the Sith appeared on the Bittorent network, one Dutch bittorent site (complete with Dutch IP and servers located in the Netherlands) was closed by US DOJ.

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I think the BIG difference here is that pirated movies are illegal in most countries including NL, so the DOJ can ask locals to take action based on the local laws. However, 2257 does not have reciprocating laws anywhere else in the world.

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Originally Posted by Ben

Sadly, you're 100% right. I wonder what else will be banned because of "War on Terrorism".


Here's the screencap. The name of the site in question was elitetorrents dot org. Not a pretty sight.

http://xiando.org/xxx_bittorrent_sit...of_justice.jpg

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The Homeland Security logo is what gets me. Since when is protectionn against copyright infringement crucial to "homeland security"? Is somebody going to watch the latest Star Wars movie and figure out how to turn someone to the Dark Side?

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

The Homeland Security logo is what gets me. Since when is protectionn against copyright infringement crucial to "homeland security"? Is somebody going to watch the latest Star Wars movie and figure out how to turn someone to the Dark Side?

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It must be war on terror - somebody might download the torrent of Star Wars, import it to the US. Then millions of US citizen will become unemployed, movie studios will lay off workers, supermarkets selling movies will close since no one buys movies anymore, cinemas ceice to exist.
All this will throw the country in a regression, which then will cause the countries social system to malfunction, which then will cause civil unrest and lead to a civil war.
Hence "Piracy is an act of Terror" and Denmark should be put to the Axis of Evil. Therefore the "Homoland Security Agency" is just the right agency to handle that terrorist

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Originally Posted by Chilihost

I think the BIG difference here is that pirated movies are illegal in most countries including NL, so the DOJ can ask locals to take action based on the local laws. However, 2257 does not have reciprocating laws anywhere else in the world.

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Actually, I think there's very little difference. In this case the US acted on the premise that piracy is illegal worldwide, but so is CP. (remember they're doing all this to protect the kids).

I'm not an expert on bittorrent, but I do know a little. Torrent search sites do not carry or share copyrighted files at all. They usually have searchable database of very small, basically text files, which are called torrents. When downloaded, a torrent file is loaded into a bittorrent client (residing on user's PC), and it merely gives the information about the size, number of parts etc. However, the requested file (a movie in this case) is then downloaded and uploaded directly between the users without mediation of any website. Btw. The bittorrent file sharing system is not illegal anywhere in the world.

As far as I know, the site in question didn't have Star Wars III film ready for download. If it had had it, it wouldn't have been called bittorrent site. It probably only published the torrent file for this movie (<1 kb text file), but since they were the first, and Lucas was very very angry, somebody had to pay the price or serve as an example.

This torrent can still be found just about everywhere. Try isohunt dot com, for instance. You'll find not only this torrent, but also several rips taken directly from DVD (in various picture qualities).

It's now taken for granted that torrents themselves are not illegal, but if you're caught sharing a copyrighted file with someone, you may be in trouble.

You got that right. I am equally amazed at the amount of money that "this industry" has and the "limited" lobbying it does. What is it waiting for? :chicken:

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Originally Posted by collegeboyslive

so much for the law being applied equally to all

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Another Larry Flynt I suppose....pathetic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Flynt

Can't say I am very strict about keeping 2257 to the letter. I just try to work with sponsors that are 2257 compliant and use only sponsor content (the few sets I bought, I do have the docs for).

I don't live in the US, and I wonder, if they have something against you, do they tell you first? or do you just land in American one day as a tourist and get arrested without any prior warning?