when you post for webmaster opinions...

deanb - thanks.

i guess what i don't get is WHY do people take this stuff personally? most of us here are professionals and we give professional advice when we do give it. FREE professional advice - that's fucking cool!

when i say a web page has no flow to the join page, i'm not saying the webmaster is a moron, i'm just saying the page doesn't lead the surfers to the join page. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, ya know? ;)

why do people ask for opinions if they don't actually want them? why not just say:

hey, check out my new site!

Its called an ego *grin*

When people post something and ask for an opinion, many times, as I did, we want a "hey that is great, you are the best"..... they go into it asking for critism but expecting praise.... that is the problem... and when they don't get it, it comes off as harsh.....

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Originally Posted by basschick

i guess what i don't get is WHY do people take this stuff personally? most of us here are professionals and we give professional advice when we do give it. FREE professional advice - that's fucking cool!

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It's not at all that people don't want the advice they ask for (well, I can think of an exception to that, but...) I think, as Dean said, sometimes there's a lot of ego attached to something, particularly if they've put a bunch of time into it.

I'm sure when Dean put up the first draft of his DVD cover (on another board), he wasn't expecting people to say "Well, this doesn't work, and fix that, and this other thing isn't what people will want to see..." but... as a result of his listening to the advice, he came up with a cover that is MUCH stronger and will sell a lot better.

The people that are smart put their ego aside and take what's offered. The people that get stuck in their own ego waste a ton of time, and, in the worst case, come back and blame something else after they were told what mistakes they were making.

I am delighted to work with Patti on these issues because she does make it clear what's right and what isn't. And if everyone did that, the development cycle for a lot of us on tours, site ideas, etc would be much shorter.

The trade off is that it does sting sometimes when you realize that something you thought was really good actually sucks. But better to learn *before* you've spent money promoting it, pissing off sponsors, whatever.

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

When I first started reading Patti's posts a couple years ago, I was thinking "Boy, she's harsh" but then I realized that the no-BS approach is exactly what everyone needs if they can get past their own egos.

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agreed! , my thoughts at first but then it occured to me the other day while i was at T.G.I.F stuffing two pieces of vanilla bean cheescake down my throat (food helps me think!) that it would seem we are more "comfortable" hearing harsh comments comming from a friend/acquaintance because we expect them to tell us the truth v.s being hit cold by someone we don't know and/or doesn't know us (does that make any sense to anyone?)
in short life is about learning , so i thought i'd add this to the discussion , as with anything i post copy the nude pics to a folder and disregard the rest , your attention as always is appreciated! :)

sincerely ~ ..."ben" - michael jackson (okay , so some of you i fondly think of as a pet "rat") :fool:

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why do people ask for opinions if they don't actually want them? why not just say:

hey, check out my new site!

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On some "site review" posts, I suspect the poster is really just trying to drive webmaster traffic to the site. With the "site review" pretext, the poster can post in the general industry-type forum (and get more traffic) rather than just post in the spam/announcement forum. Think of sites that have an affiliate program.

Thanks for starting this thread. I am about to start asking for opinions on some designs I am currently working on. Hopefully I'll actually get some honest feedback.