Tips for Creating Killer Content???

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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude

No one's saying you gotta paint the Sistine Chapel, Max. I'm not saying you should make "art." I'm just saying your content should have a point of view, and you should CARE about what you're putting out there. It starts with you. Your pride in your work will come through on your sites. That's what it boils down to. :)

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Well I have seen some really bad stuff normally lighting and editing problems, but I can understand it, in fact some stuff you might think really sucks viewers really love. I think the problem is that you are talking to guys with a limp dicks, try talking to the ones that are hard trust me things change. Personally I will try to do the best I can with creating films, but they will be PORN. Truthfully do you really think that much better porn was really more popular everyone would not be doing it? All we are doing is making long porn commercials that’s what people want, and that is what many of us try to give them. Also you are not dealing with real actors or anything like I am sure you know man.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Well I have seen some really bad stuff normally lighting and editing problems, but I can understand it, in fact some stuff you might think really sucks viewers really love. I think the problem is that you are talking to guys with a limp dicks, try talking to the ones that are hard trust me things change. Personally I will try to do the best I can with creating films, but they will be PORN. Truthfully do you really think that much better porn was really more popular everyone would not be doing it? All we are doing is making long porn commercials that’s what people want, and that is what many of us try to give them. Also you are not dealing with real actors or anything like I am sure you know man.

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From experience, man, I can tell you that people DO appreciate the stuff that goes beyond what others are doing. I used to post my erotic fiction on this X-rated stories site where readers were able to rate stories on a scale of 1 to 10. It had some really interesting stats; you could actually tell how many people read the whole story and how many stopped after they had jerked off (assuming that's what they were doing while reading it). I could show you dozens upon dozens of emails I got (I saved a lot of them) from people who read my stories who said things like, "I never thought I would find a story of this caliber on a stroke fiction site." One guy -- a straight man -- read one of my stories about a gay man looking back on his high school experience, and he sent me an email about how profoundly the story had affected him, and that he was going to teach his kids to respect all gay people. Because of my PORN STORY.

I know from experience how people react to porn. They'll accept the stuff that everyone else is doing, but they'll be blown away by the stuff that goes beyond that. Trust me, there's a whole market out there that very few people are tapping into, b/cuz they just don't see the value in it b/cuz they dismiss porn as being "just sex." It's NEVER just sex, even when we might think it is. That's how I choose to look at it, b/cuz in doing that, I've already got myself thinking on a level that will inform what I create.

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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude

Ahhh, yes, but studies have shown that sexuality is one part of the human makeup that has a lot of affect in other areas of their lives and also in how they view themselves as people. I think if you create a sexual experience for them that goes above and beyond the norm of what others are offering -- and if everyone strived to do that -- it would have a pretty powerful impact on people. People always talk about how people use movies and porn or whatever as a form of escape. Well, then, why not offer them a place to escape where they can really get something out of it?

I'm certainly a realist. I understand what porn is primarily used for. But you can work within the limitations of any genre to elevate those who watch it. Yeah, it's porn, but there's no reason why it can't be GREAT porn.

Right?

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Look man LOL I do not belong to Green Peace or anything, its just porn. People have hard, boring, and very frustrating lives, this is just entertainment and fantasy nothing more. If you are looking for moral inspirations or public service content then a porn site is not the best place to start looking. Its not my job to give people a more realistic view of the world they get that all on their own every day if the really liked it they would not join a site or rent a movie to start with. The real world sucks, most of the really good looking guys in porn are str8, if you really gave people what you suggest ya sure you would get a few really nice e-mails, but even those people would drop you site with-in weeks for another that gave them what the really want and that a fantasy that has nothing to do with the real world at all.

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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude

From experience, man, I can tell you that people DO appreciate the stuff that goes beyond what others are doing. I used to post my erotic fiction on this X-rated stories site where readers were able to rate stories on a scale of 1 to 10. It had some really interesting stats; you could actually tell how many people read the whole story and how many stopped after they had jerked off (assuming that's what they were doing while reading it). I could show you dozens upon dozens of emails I got (I saved a lot of them) from people who read my stories who said things like, "I never thought I would find a story of this caliber on a stroke fiction site." One guy -- a straight man -- read one of my stories about a gay man looking back on his high school experience, and he sent me an email about how profoundly the story had affected him, and that he was going to teach his kids to respect all gay people. Because of my PORN STORY.

I know from experience how people react to porn. They'll accept the stuff that everyone else is doing, but they'll be blown away by the stuff that goes beyond that. Trust me, there's a whole market out there that very few people are tapping into, b/cuz they just don't see the value in it b/cuz they dismiss porn as being "just sex." It's NEVER just sex, even when we might think it is. That's how I choose to look at it, b/cuz in doing that, I've already got myself thinking on a level that will inform what I create.

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Well you have to admit that stories are very different than film or images, in a story people can fill in what the guys look like themselves, its all allot more mental that visually, also you are dealing with a different group of viewers that you would with videos.

Besides lying to younger viewers about how things really are give them hope, and allow them time to grow up to deal with how stuff is in the real world “less teen suicides”. Also am sure PORN does prevent allot of STD’s, as well as giving some people a safe outlet for their own sexually dysfunction. If you want to look on the bight side that is. Also if you ask me if we all showed the next generation the real reality of things the suicide rate would jump 10%+ :blush: Our 15-20 year olds need some hope even if its false

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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude

Anybody have any? Thought it would be cool to hear what people think about what makes really good content. Is it the model? The location? The POV of the photographer/videographer? The scenario/scene?

How important is originality to good content????

How important is exclusive content versus licensed?

I may repurpose some of these answers for a story I'm writing on content for AVN Online, but if you'd rather not be quoted, just let me know and I won't use it. Otherwise, if you post in this thread, be aware it might end up in print. :)

Ken

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like a car , it takes several parts to work ( model/photographer/designer/advertiser/etc.) no one part can work without the other and/or go very far ( some people will never get that ) the best content is something made "exclusive" to your company , though you can make a living on "licensed content" ( everything is new to someone )

sincerely ~ ..."how do you like your beef?"... :goof:

Ughhhhh..

With the XXX/Max thing I am getting confused.

I feel the best content is one that the surfer enjoys.

That the surfers can feel that the webmaster is attached to it.

That it conveys the niche/subject in a very sincere way.

And I still believe that the surfer wants to feel "connected" in some way. If the surfer cums the same time the guys comes. That's a connection.

What makes good content is the same thing that makes a good movie. You tell a "story" and you tell it right.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Well you have to admit that stories are very different than film or images, in a story people can fill in what the guys look like themselves, its all allot more mental that visually, also you are dealing with a different group of viewers that you would with videos.

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very true! , i have a friend that likes to read "erotic fiction" ( different holes for different poles! ) and i must admit not everything you can imagine can be achieved in photo/film.

sincerely ~ ..."have you hugged your writer today?"... :goof:

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Originally Posted by longboardjim

very true! , i have a friend that likes to read "erotic fiction" ( different holes for different poles! ) and i must admit not everything you can imagine can be achieved in photo/film.

sincerely ~ ..."have you hugged your writer today?"... :goof:

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Thax man I am glad someone’s on board my PORN train to know where :thumbsup:

ken, ya gotta stop buying into max's posts.

i used to manage a str8 program. seemed like the photographer would send 3 - 5 good episodes, followed by 3 - 5 lower quality episodes. and guess what - whenever we'd have the good episodes, retention would go up over 45%. and when we'd have the bad episodes, you would see a bunch of cancellations of the newest members on the first day it was added and retention would be down till we got some more good videos up.

the problem is, especially for programs that make their money on upsells, cross sells and consoles, that making better content either costs more money or takes more thought and work - or both.

a buddy of mine just started an exclusive site with a very specific niche. this is reality content and it is shot appropriately for its niche, so amateur works here. the situation is very specific and the videos are well done, with lots of variety within the situation. and guess what - it's selling like mad! and it's outselling a bunch of average reality sites by quite a bit.

also when i write a review of a site with good videos, it sells better. people read that the videos have good lighting, good action, good composition and they come running - this is even more true with gay than str8 sites.

so don't worry. ken. the world isn't tasteless - honest!

I never said that good lighting, some kind of a believable theme, editing, and good models were not very important, its just when you start to add your personally agenda, or buying into your own BS and start believing you are creating anything more that something for people to whack-off too, that I start to have a bit of a problem, but hey do what ya want. I just want to make PORN myself :wtf:

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Thax man I am glad someone’s on board my PORN train to know where :thumbsup:

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it's cause your going too fast and i can't get off - just kidding :goof:

some of your points are "interesting" , i like challenge of thought :)

jim

this conversation has caused a question to surface in my mind.

For those of you that are really good with filtering traffic, that know all the nuances of traffic control for porn sites, have you ever used content as a psychological traffic control? The theory would be that on sites you want them to exit or go to a sponsor that has known good content, you give them medium or lower value content just to get them to exit to the higher value content, and conversely, on sites you want them to stay, giving them the higher value or quality of content?

Has anyone ever done this as a traffic filtering mechanism?

I just don't buy into the argument that quality is not important to the surfer and that just because he gives you only a short attention span that you can get away with giving him less than a quality product.

Porn is just like any other product produced by any other company. You give them a crappy product and they will not come back to buy again and they will tell others....your worst marketing nightmare....negative viral advertising. You give them a good quality product and they will not only come back again, but they will also tell others.... your best marketing tool...positive viral marketing.

Your quality is a part of your brand. if you want your brand to be lost in the pack by delivering so so quality, then go for it. But if you want your brand to stand out, to be remembered, to have retention, to have good positive word of mouth, to have good repeat customer traffic...you gotta give them the good stuff.

Quality definately counts!

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Originally Posted by tombarr

this conversation has caused a question to surface in my mind.

For those of you that are really good with filtering traffic, that know all the nuances of traffic control for porn sites, have you ever used content as a psychological traffic control? The theory would be that on sites you want them to exit or go to a sponsor that has known good content, you give them medium or lower value content just to get them to exit to the higher value content, and conversely, on sites you want them to stay, giving them the higher value or quality of content?

Has anyone ever done this as a traffic filtering mechanism?

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LOL that’s what I do for a living right now but I send them to my pay sites with bad free and AVS images. Personally I wish more people would stop giving out good content, and make them work for it we all would make more money at the end of the day. :groovy: