What's your worst converting niche?

BD hit it dead on... just as he always does. It all comes down to how you generate your traffic.

I don't sell young men/twinks well because my traffic is coming from hairy/mature/leather men sites. And the surfers that are on my sites are most likely not interested in twinks.

Dalimili, may I suggest that you limit your approach to what interests you. If you absolutely love scawny white boys with caved in chests or grotesquely obese black men with dreadlocks, that is what you are going to be the most successful at marketing... at least to start. Once you become the master of your niche, then it's time to expand into other areas.

andymike - just goes to show everyone has different results. my best selling niche of all time is muscle men. in fact, i'm making my first paysite with no outside partners in this niche, and i'm taking my time as my muscle avs site continues to sell.

BDBionic - funny thing, bears is another very strong seller for me. i guess i'm pickier about twink sites content 'cause i like guys and girls who are long, smooth, slender.

If you get the high quality stuff on there, it's hard for it to not convert.

Frankly there are indeed a lot of shitty twink sites out there, just as there are a great many shitty sites of all niches.

No offense to a lot of the bigger program sponsors but when I check out their "twink" tours I rarely if ever see an actual twink.

It's important for anyone promoting any niche sponsor to have an awareness about that content themselves. You can spot slender, gorgeous young men and stick to that with your sponsors. I know what twink-loving surfers want because I have a fondness for twinks myself. Other people here on GWW do great with bear sponsors because they have a great eye for bears and know what sells by knowing what turns them on. That's what is so key.

When promoting a supposed and self professed twink sponsor without any real twinks in the tour or just a couple actual twinks - the rest being more college guy or jock types or flat out old - you'll breed hostility and contempt more than sales. Just because a guy is under 25 doesn't mean he's a twink. Just because he's got no chest hair doesn't mean he's a twink. Just because he's blond doesn't mean he's a twink. But so many people seem to think it does and then wonder why they can't sell 28 year old guy "twink" sites.

If you want to sell twinks, go with programs run by the people actually creating the content. Mom and pop operations. Webmaster-owned sites with affiliate programs. Exclusive and original content.

http://www.boyfunk.com
http://www.bfcollection.com
http://www.doggyboys.com
http://www.truetwinks.com

are a few I think everyone should take a peek at. Then you got your college boy sites that often have twinks in the mix as well. Consistently young, fresh, exclusive guys, they're able to branch away from the stereotypical twink-type models and have guys a wee bit older and more built because they still have high quality, exclusive, original content with gorgeous young men.

http://www.corbinfisher.com
http://www.belamionline.com
http://www.randyblue.com
http://www.teenboymodels.com

There's no way in hell the twink niche will ever get tired. It's definitely the case that, knowing it's so popular, a shitload of programs will come out with a shitload of sites attempting to pursue twink sales that are crappy, untrue to form, non-converting and unsellable. But it doesn't mean twinks don't sell. It means those sites don't sell. Gay people will never get sick of twinks, and so long as someone out there is making some high quality stuff on a high quality website backed by a high quality affiliate program, it'll convert like wildfire when webmasters send quality traffic to it.

Oh I know everyone has different results, but I also know that you must know what your traffic is looking for. If it's twinks, sell twinks, if it's bareback, sell bareback.

People don't pay attention to their traffic and aren't maximizing on the results that could come from it. I would bet that it happens mostly because they aren't turned on by the niche.

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Originally posted by basschick
andymike - just goes to show everyone has different results. my best selling niche of all time is muscle men. in fact, i'm making my first paysite with no outside partners in this niche, and i'm taking my time as my muscle avs site continues to sell.

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well, I'm biased as heck because at the moment, two of the three sites we run are about as twinky as it gets, but here goes.

-- With the right traffic, we have amazing conversions for boyfunk.com. A lot of our sponsors that have good twink traffic regularly convert at 1:75; other sponsors with mixed traffic still convert at between 1:125 and 1:250.

-- I do strongly believe that if you're pushing a twink site, it needs to *be* a twink site. I can't tell you how many "Barely 18" 35 year olds there are on supposedly twink sites.

Not that there isn't a market for 35 year olds; I'm guessing that Pridebucks new "menover30.com" is converting very well... it's just that surfers get annoyed and actively pissed off when they go to a twink site expecting cute 18-22 year olds and get 35 year olds.

-- I also support the notion that, as most of us here probably already know, the gay surfer is a different animal than the straight surfer. From my experience, the buyer of gay porn is more discriminating in what he wants, and more demanding... but if he gets what he wants and gets decent service, he also tends to stay around longer than his straight counterpart.

-- As for the original question of niches that convert poorly, I haven't tried enough to have much input yet. I can tell you that our twink sites do very well for us, and our twink feet site (boysfeetclub) also seems to do extremely well. Later this year, we'll be launching a site for slightly more, um, mature guys (as in 21-25) that are well built but still very cute. It will be interesting to see how that site does relative to our twinkier sites.

There have been many excellent points made and the addendeum I would like to make to BDBionic's point on how you are generating your traffic is what to do with it once you have it.

Banners that get clicked on because they are hot and enticing but not representative of what the surfer will find when he gets to the tour page are a waste of bandwidth.

Steamy juicy text links are a great alternative to the often banner-blind more seasoned surfer, but if the links says "Click here for the free videos" it's like a cyber lottery to see if the surfer will be taken to a site that will have what he's looking for. "click here for boys fucking" won't generate many sales to a site that has mostly solos nor will "Watch the muscle jocks jacking" do you much good on a twink site.

TGP galleries...well, Free Hosted Galleries are very convenient but quickly get posted and unless you are lucky enough to be one of the first, probably won't get listed in many places. Galleries you make yourself are usually a better solution but not if you put twink pictures for a gallery that links to a ebony site or use bear pics to sell an asian site.

The more accurately your techniques promote the best points of the site you
are trying to sell, the happier you will be with the results. Sponsors that
offer a well stocked arsenal of banners, links and free content will be a
great help in making that a reality.

Which niches convert best is three a three-pronged approach based on asking yourself three questions IMHO:
1) where is my traffic coming from and which type of sites are they
most likely to be interested in
2) what tools should I use to promote the best features of the site
I am sending them off to.
3) how good is the site's tour to close the deal once I get the
traffic there?

This is a great topic with some great posts. We have mainly all twink sites now but in several different niches like twink cum sites, striaight boy twinks, twink feet etc. They all do very well for us. Our twink sites are what has kept us afloat. We have some semi exclusive content but not enough. This year we plan on doing our own content which I think will help alot. I love twinks so I think that helps alot when doing twinks sites, though I am jealous of some other twink sites on here that have unbelievebly hot twinks. We actually just dropped all our straight sites but 1 of them a couple days ago so IntenseCash is mainly going to be a gay program now, yippiee!

Mark

mark - i can't wait till you have more promo content for the foot site!

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Originally posted by basschick
mark - i can't wait till you have more promo content for the foot site!

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I am working on that, we will have some soon. :)

Mark

It is hard to say we have so many niches on our site.

Twinks do not convert as well as you would think considering the abundance of twink movies we get.

Right now on the gay side our best converting niche is Interracial and or Black