Are TGPs on the way out?

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Originally Posted by basschick

the more people who create bulk avs sites in order to receive some traffic, the worse quality that traffic will be.

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Interesting..

Could the same not also be said for the actual TGPs themselves?

I know people who literally build TGP aftr TGP to trade traffic with themselves, recycling the same traffic over and over again, not cj'ing the traffic per say just sending it from tgp1.com to tgp2.com to tgp3.com all of which they own.

The thing i find amusing about it though is that all the tgps these people own have the SAME submitted galleries on them LOL

Definately an interesting thread and i think this could be a good one to include in this weeks GWW Bulletin to get some more feedback on :)

Regards,

Lee

All this TGP talk got me thinking about using them for my cam guys. Hell, I've got 8 or 10 guys and putting together a pic gallery is not a problem. Exclusive guys and exclusive pics seem to be a good combination.

I put together a template that I think I can use for the guys, if some of you TGP pros can take a look and let me know what I need to improve it, I would appreciate it.

Naked in the Mountains

I figure I can simply change the reciprocals at the top, call in index2.html, submit to another 4 or 5 TGPs, etc. I'm doing this for a couple cam guys to test it out and see how the traffic/conversions are and then maybe roll it out as a major push.

And what if an AVS implemented strict quality standards and actually rejected the crap? Do you think it would be a good or a bad thing?

There sure would be a lot of pissed off webmasters after you sent out the "your gallery is ugly" notices. But it could push the whole industry to new heights.

Dzinerbear

experienced surfers know they can get better free stuff at link lists and tgps.

thats what i mean, why go to a pay site at all, they get all the milk they want, and then the cream

ponyboy - they can't get the same quality as a paysite from a free site. that's why free site webmasters make so many sales.

Dzinerbear - fuck it. if they want to turn out crap, they can make free sites.

lee - surely yes, but i don't have to make three galleries and a menu page to submit a gallery - avs sites are more work, and the guys have to PAY.

MWCren - what you should do with any gallery is mirror is ten times, and submit to many tgps. why limit yourself?

regarding http://www.menwithcams.com/TGP/bj/index.html
the thumbs are too small for most tgps. there's too much vertical space - you want the surfers to see as much of the gallery as possible at a time, and also it just seems sort of sprawling and empty to me. you say "Check out BJ's Live Webcam Here" twice - and the bottom link should be bigger. you don't say the magic words CLICK HERE (for example CLICK HERE TO SEE BJ's LIVE CAM RIGHT NOW)

you also don't need a header AND a title - one or the other is fine. and some tgps might have trouble with that banner. i wouldn't bother with it because it seems sort of flat to me, but if you DO use a banner, put text under it - not over it - and make it clickable. make it a single link with the banner link.

good luck to you!

great thread, I think the one thing that no one mentioned is that TGPs are a big numbers game, the more traffic you get the better your results. You really have to attack it and do galleries every day, if you don't you will see a quick drop off in your traffic and your sales.

I personally think tgp galleries are a good source of secondary income, once you get into the swing of things you can create a gallery, submit it and confirm all the emails in less than an hour a day.

Plus you can always make money off large traffic numbers if you are creative :D

cheers,
Luke

Thanks basschick. I didn't know there were thumb size requirements, didn't see any in the first 4 I submitted to. I enlarged the thumbs, tightened up the table, dumped the middle banner, moved the Click Here link to the middle, got rid of the header and made the logo a link.

I think it looks cleaner and more compact now, so i appreciate the suggestions.

I definitely intend to mirror each of the gallery pages as many times as necessary to get them posted.

cumsoda already has them posted... in "previous galleries"...which is odd, but as a new submitter, its better than nothing I guess.

MWCren - don't change any galleries you've posted, but in the future, put a big fat text link at the bottom of the page when you can. that is PRIME real estate. for the tgps that only allow 2 sponsor links, perhaps you could text the effectiveness of the header/title being linked vs the footer. i do better with the footer, but that's me. for tgps that allow 3 sponsor links, link all three spots - top, middle and bottom. the bottom link could let them know how many guys are live, or something about what they do. i'd keep it brief, and keep the font fairly large without being scary.

only a few tgps have an actual rule about the thumbs, but often the ones with smaller thumbs get lower listings. gallery looks much better with the bigger thumbs, and better-looking galleries get partner accounts and higher listings.

good luck to you :)

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Originally Posted by MWCren

cumsoda already has them posted... in "previous galleries"...which is odd, but as a new submitter, its better than nothing I guess.

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Youll be listed there because we had more submissions after yours ;)

The way we have http://www.cumsoda.com setup is so that the galleries posted move further down the page as new submissions are sent in.

It basically gives everyone an equal chance to get traffic from the top spots :)

Regards,

Lee

I was really interested in seeing how avs were doing and especially the straight avs's that show gay content. I did a test of 12 avs/aen sites. These sites were the typical, template, nothing special, no original content sites. I sent out around 120 front ends on the site to various avs's. There was no outside traffic coming in, just the regular listings. Here's how it went.

AVS/EAN Sales - maybe 2 or 3 for the whole bunch and basically very prominent regular listings.

Upsells - about 1 a day to either an avs premium site or to a sponsor.

Traffic - about 200 unique hits for each single site per day then the decline to around 10 a day when they went off the listing.

My thoughts on these results - avs/ean is waning and the traffic from being listed by itself is not significant. It wouldn't be worth it to just make sites to be listed. There has to be outside traffic to sell. Once I listed the sites with the regular link lists, I got great upsells but still no regular avs/aen sales.

As far as tgp's go, I've gotten a few sales from them but it feels very much like the experience I had above. Alot of work for not alot of impact. Plus, you'd be surprised at how sick you get of seeing a template even after only a couple of days. I just can't imagine how much it would suck to rely on that type of effort just to try to make a couple of sales a week. :bomb:

Huskyhunks - a couple things.

1. you should not use the same template two days in a row or you will burn out the bookmarkers from the tgps. i try never to use the same template more than once a week max - once every ten days is optimal.

2. i got the impression that you and a few other people feel that everyone gets the same results you do from posting. we don't. when i post full-time, i get at least 70 sales per week if not more. not only that, but i keep seeing sales from galleries months and even years after i post them.

like i keep saying, gallery creation and the descriptions you post on tgps are entirely different from other types of adult marketing. it probably isn't worth it to most people to learn, but it can be a pretty good thing.

I never put more than the occasional marginal effort into tgp. I just didn't see the results for the work. I have no doubt that some people are better at sales than I am. No doubt about it. I'm not that great at all. I've never used a popup, console, I just refuse to get in my surfers face with my content. If they want to buy, they buy, if they don't, I'm not gonna put my foot in the door to make them buy. I don't have that kind of approach to this business.

I do however, enjoy communicating and getting to know members and guests and that's what keeps me around. I think it's just a different approach to things. I'm still around, probably more because I engage my members than my ability to sale my site. I only get about 400 uniques a day on my main website. More than half of them are members so we're talking around 200 uniques a day to get new sales but it works for me.

I only work a couple of hours a week now. I may start a new project soon but other than that, nah, I don't really enjoy the business part of this. I like the people more, and posting to the boards and stuff like that.

Those were my observations and mainly just for reference. I wish I had more of a go getter, gung ho approach to this but those days are long gone for me.

It all depends... for some people AEN/AVS still works great and get lots of sales while others get nothing, some people get lots of sales from TGP's while some nothing...

You can't put a finger on it and say ... "Yes, this is what will always work for everyone..." because there are so many variables you have to consider...

I know I built several TGP galleries to promote a certain AEN/AVS and got gazillions of hits but not a single sale from them.... while I promoted a certain pay site I got several sales on TGPs.... and on the other hand... my AVS sites are doing great and I'm capable of selling membership to surfers just by being listed on that AEN linklist, while on the other hand when I tried to upsell those surfers to a certain paysite I got zero sales....

Go figure...

Interesting thread...

Has anyone built TGPs with banners promoting video sales of the models in the respective TGPs? Conversions might be more likely for viewers who are attracted to the models featured in the TGP in the first place. It just makes sense to sell more entertainment featuring the models in an alternate media than promote more AVS and TGPs of unrelated content. Just a thought.

Huskyhunks - you are making an incorrect assumption about the marketing involved in galleries and adult. i don't use popups, and as opposed to getting in the surfers faces, it's quite the opposite. no sense in forcing someone or tricking them to a sponsor site they don't want to be at - that's no way to make them want to buy.

willwest, do you mean tgps or galleries? i don't promote videos - only websites - but i only offer something closely related to my content. for example. if more pornstars had paysites i could relate to, i'd happily use their pics to sell memberships to their sites.