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interesting... i often do quite well on ccbill sites. my best converting - and most consistant - sponsor for the last year is a ccbill sponsor.
verotel is another matter. they don't sell for me, and i just can't be bothered.
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Yeah that's what I just said in my post :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Squirt and Basschick, I totally agree... It seems like the sponsors I promote through CCBILL are consistent, dependable. The others are so sporadic.
Snowboy mentioned seancody.com -- since I've ever started promoting him, he's been converting consistently. And, I see a good level of rebills.
Basschick -- you know, I never actually looked at it that way (rebills amounting actually to $60/signup). Looking at it like that, I would imagine, then, that seancody.com is doing very well for me!
Cheers,
Brian
All of these crappy sites make me wonder 1 thing that I've actually always wondered... Why don't paysites give webmasters a free month to go in and check their site out? Wouldn't that help you to promote them better? I know it'd help me :)
Well I have a transparent preview so what you see outside, you get inside, but some sites definately don't want you to get a free preview inside because they know you wouldn't promote them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendSassy
There truly are a handful of really good sites out there. Next time someone gives advice about how to make a good site goto theirs, if they they have a site at all ha ha!
why are you guys comparing CCBill to Verotel?
Shouldn't you guys be comparing the sites that use one over the other, instead?
Or are you guys implying that CCBill has a more accurate and reliable payment processing system than Verotel?
A friend and business associate of mine and i are thinking about going with Verotel for payment processing (we're both in Canada and CCBill makes it way too hard for Canadians to setup an account, so our next best option is Verotel). So are you guys saying that if you came across a site that used Verotel, you might reconsider signing up for their affiliate program?
If so, this is very serious, and we'd have to find a way setup with CCBill instead.
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Originally Posted by SnowBoy
I use Verotel so I'm not saying that at all. Honestly I think you should sign up with homever is easiest then signup with CCBill as well. You need two processors these days in case one goes under. :groovy:
Not Sure About "Misleading" But Quite A Few That Have Very Little "Content" V.S "The Splash" Which I Think Sometimes Besides "The Tour" Is Designed By Someone Other Than The Webmaster Him/HerselfQuote:
Originally Posted by dillmedia
I Make It A Point Of "Joining" Most Sites ( Sorta'Like A Porn Consumer Reports! :) To See "What's Inside" ( Copyright Infringement Is Punishable By Me! ) , "Navigation" ( Site Design , Set-Up , Coding , Etc ) , "Trends/Fetish/Etc" ( What Got Me To Sign-Up )
I Will Not "Name-Names" ( Except Of Course When I Release My Lifestory! ) Because Surprising Enough The Sites Which Are "Guilty" Are The Very Ones Which Have A "High Conversion" ( My Bank Does Not Lie! ) And In The Interest Of Protecting My "Savings"..Err.."The Innocent" I Cannot Reveal My "Bank Statements"..Err..Sources!:)
Sincerely ~..."If You Package Nice! , Market It Right!...I Buy Bologna!"...:)
I would just think that sponsors who truly have nothing to hide would let you see the inside of their sites :)
Well... a bit of an update...
I signed up for one of the SILVERCASH gay sites, basically Giant Gay Cocks.com...
Paid $ 1.95
WOW, WAS I FUCKINGLY DISSAPOINTED.... beyond dissapointement....
I was suppose to get access to all of their sites, and 1000000's of photos and what not.... so, when I finally got into their members area.... hmmm... some 200 models, with each of around 40 photos, but all those models were.... well... not giant at all...
What the bastards did, was they morphed their dicks on the tour, and when you get to see them inside; it's a regular Joe's dick..
And not only that, those sites that I go for free; like Gay Super Cocks and Soap Boys HAVE EXACTLY the same fucking models as on first site....
So, I was basically cancelling my membership within 7 minutes.
And to pay $ 39.95 monthly for this and loads of STRAIGHT content is just beyond being reasonable....
you would think they would at least morph the cocks in the member area :-/
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LOL.
some sites actually do... but then it's just too obvious:)
This issue has been a challenge for us. We've always made the decision to be completely honest in our banners and marketing, and as a result, we have exceptionally low chargebacks and high member satisfaction, but we also haven't been comfortable offering pay-per join deals in part because I've been warned so much about fraud.
And more recently, we've noticed that members interests seem to have changed; whereas before, they were totally satisfied with solo content, now they want more 2 way and 3 way content. Ditto more video vs stills. We have about 50+ models, but probably half of them have been still content only and this is one of the biggest upgrades we are working on... lots more video content. I suspect this will have a strong effect on retention (along with a facelift to the members area) which, we hope, will allow us to offer a pay-per-signup deal that is attractive.
We've also toyed with ways of funding the PPS through marketing upsells, consoles, other products, etc, but have preferred to focus on a great user experience, and for the most part that seems to be working, so we haven't put a lot of energy into a different model.
As we get closer to launching our new affiliate program, we'll be seeking input from affiliates on what tools they most want, and what site features they most think will help surfers decide to actually join, but I think we probably also make more use of input we receive from our members than most webmasters do... and I'm hoping that this, combined with input from affiliates will make a great partnership between us and our affiliates.
It always amazes me how many site operators don't put the extra energy in -- it really isn't that much -- to listening to members and to affiliates, and producing what people want instead of what the site owner thinks will sell. A shitty site might convert in the short term, but word does get out, and both affiliates and members eventually avoid the site when complaints become widespread.
I dunno. Maybe there's something that AJ and I just don't get, but we've felt that a good product with honest marketing and payouts is the best path to long term success.
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Ditto and how many rip off artists have we seen come and go in this industry? After a while people catch on and don't do business with them but they can be convincing at times! :pirate:
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I guess this thread really doesn't apply to afiliate program i advertise for. I am selling a FREE membership so can't really rip off someone if it is free. Not to mention that they give you a ton of content for your free membership so their shouldnt be any complaints.
They pay $40 - $80 a FREE signup w/credit card. so you can make really good money with them. The site does consist of upsells (pay per minute on cam) BUT you also get access to thousands of hours of videos and countless #'s of pics, so that alone is better then most pay sites.
I know what you guys are saying though, I have advertised membership sites in the past and have owned a few. The big sponsors who pay a lot per a paid join are only making money from a massive amounts of volume. I know a lot of surfers are getting more and more leary of joining membership sites, especially ones with high fees because of poor quality members area and having to spend hours fighting the charge to get their money back.