PPS VS Recurring

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Originally Posted by JustMe

Greetings:



I think you're right. One of the main reasons being, it seems that gay sponsor programs tend to put out a better quality product than many of their straight counterparts.

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give us a few years and i think we'll all be just as ruthless as them. I think it's a natural progression when competition builds up

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Originally Posted by JustMe

Greetings:

We had this debate over here before launching AlleyBucks. We tested our first site out for 5 months, so we know our retention rate was huge. So, we easily could have come out of the gates with a PPS program.

However, let me tell you why we chose not to.

1. PPS sites suck ass (and not in a good way) for the most part. The PPS world is FULL of cookie cutter sites that have nothing in them except for a bunch of crappy plugins that usually have nothing to do with what the site's supposed to be about in the first place.

We certainly didn't want to be mistaken for one of those.

2. Programs that run these cookie cutter PPS sites know damn well they're not going to be getting many rebills. So, they make their money by AGGRESSIVELY upselling other sites, and bombing the hell out of the user with popups in the member's area. And, being a PPS program, affiliates are totally out of the earnings loop there.

We certainly didn't want to be mistaken for one of those either.

How do these PPS programs that offer you $30 per signup for a $3.95 trial work? Is it because they have SO much content that the user simply decides to stay a member after seeing it all? No. Simply put, when the user logs in they don't get access to any content, short of what amounts to a secondary tour, until they agree to convert to a full membership. And after they do that, THAT's when they get to see the popups and upsells. Again, the affiliate is out of the loop.

The assumption that sites offering PPS retain a long time, so it's better to go rebill, is not a good one. As I've mentioned above, MOST PPS sites do NOT make their money off of rebills. Now, that's not to say that there aren't some VERY good gay paysites out there that do offer a PPS, and that are making their money off of rebills. However, as I've said, the VAST majority simply don't work that way.

Xstr8guy is right. The best thing you can do is find a paysite that you really like, that has really good content, really good member support, and regular updates. Promote that, and promote it with revshare. You WILL make a LOT more than promoting some piece of crap cookie-cutter plugin site under the PPS model...

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good post JustMe

Would love it if you would respond to my icqs to you

Its like you dont love us anymore
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Greetings:

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Originally Posted by forest

Its like you dont love us anymore
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Haha, no, we still love you. How could we not love the ones that designed our affiliate page for us (and did a great job I might add!)

We're just in an in-between stage right now, and have a hold on design work. I'll hit you up when we're ready to start our next project, which should be in about a week.

Thanks again!

i've talked to a lot of sponsors about this - more people join a program offering pps. a LOT more, in some cases.

they want their money now - they don't WANT to have to rely on time to get paid. anyway, lots of programs have good retention - 3 months, for example - so the members aren't unhappy. but if you only make an average of $11 per month minus ccbill check fees etc, you still might do better financially with pps.

there are plenty of good sites you can get paid per signup. i don't think you can say that circlejerkboys sucks - it's FULL of content - but pridebucks pays per signup.

i think it's more accurate to say that most big program's sites suck inside. they sure seem to!

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Originally Posted by basschick

there are plenty of good sites you can get paid per signup. i don't think you can say that circlejerkboys sucks - it's FULL of content - but pridebucks pays per signup.

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But Revshare is also an option with PrideBucks.

revshare is also an option on almost every big program, including a lot of sites that are basically 100% plugins. a program offering revshare isn't a guaratee of retention - i've promoted a couple sites that looked good, and only converted 10% from trial to monthly.

JustMe - I totally agree with what you said, very nicely put!

xstr8guy - yes, I bet the results are very different not only with straight sites but also if you did this poll on gay site promotions on other boards too. I have a feeling all of us tend to put quality over quantity, which makes sense to pair that with revshare. For instance, how many webmasters here make their money strictly on CJ sites?

bassckick - also agree, pps sponsors attract more webmasters but imho those webmasters are usually not pushing quality or quantity (read: newbie)traffic anyway.

cheers,
Luke

luke - most of the bigger webmasters i know push pps, not revshare. i think they want their money guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by JustMe

Greetings:

We had this debate over here before launching AlleyBucks. We tested our first site out for 5 months, so we know our retention rate was huge. So, we easily could have come out of the gates with a PPS program.

However, let me tell you why we chose not to.

1. PPS sites suck ass (and not in a good way) for the most part. The PPS world is FULL of cookie cutter sites that have nothing in them except for a bunch of crappy plugins that usually have nothing to do with what the site's supposed to be about in the first place.

We certainly didn't want to be mistaken for one of those.

2. Programs that run these cookie cutter PPS sites know damn well they're not going to be getting many rebills. So, they make their money by AGGRESSIVELY upselling other sites, and bombing the hell out of the user with popups in the member's area. And, being a PPS program, affiliates are totally out of the earnings loop there.

We certainly didn't want to be mistaken for one of those either.

How do these PPS programs that offer you $30 per signup for a $3.95 trial work? Is it because they have SO much content that the user simply decides to stay a member after seeing it all? No. Simply put, when the user logs in they don't get access to any content, short of what amounts to a secondary tour, until they agree to convert to a full membership. And after they do that, THAT's when they get to see the popups and upsells. Again, the affiliate is out of the loop.

The assumption that sites offering PPS retain a long time, so it's better to go rebill, is not a good one. As I've mentioned above, MOST PPS sites do NOT make their money off of rebills. Now, that's not to say that there aren't some VERY good gay paysites out there that do offer a PPS, and that are making their money off of rebills. However, as I've said, the VAST majority simply don't work that way.

Xstr8guy is right. The best thing you can do is find a paysite that you really like, that has really good content, really good member support, and regular updates. Promote that, and promote it with revshare. You WILL make a LOT more than promoting some piece of crap cookie-cutter plugin site under the PPS model...

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Justme, I dont really agree with you at all.
The payment methods an affiliate program chooses to use doesnt have any bearing on what the quality of there sites are going to be like.

From the webmasters perspective all it comes down to is this: do you want short term gains or do you want long term, possibly higher gains but with more risk. Maybe losing your rebills if the program goes down, or not making more than you would if you had chosen to be paid per signup.

From a members site/affiliate program persepctive it's a lot easier to setup a revshare program than PPS because they don't need to pay out such a large amount for the initial signups.

We run a few large high quality sites and we also happen to pay per signup (as well as revshare) and ummm, we make 99% of our money from rebills :) From what I've seen over the years I always thought thats how everyone did it! lol

(having said that, I HAVE seen some pretty dodgy sites in the past though!!)

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Originally Posted by JustMe

Greetings:



Haha, no, we still love you. How could we not love the ones that designed our affiliate page for us (and did a great job I might add!)

We're just in an in-between stage right now, and have a hold on design work. I'll hit you up when we're ready to start our next project, which should be in about a week.

Thanks again!

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IM glad to hear that

It was a pleasure working with you but william has gotten lonley with no gay work to do
LOL
;)

Greetings:

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Originally Posted by forest

IM glad to hear that

It was a pleasure working with you but william has gotten lonley with no gay work to do
LOL
;)

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I know, and I promised him that there were going to be some, dare I even say it, "vaginas", in his future too.... We'll see what we're moving forward with next, might need to expedite GirlAlley.com haha....

I am just using recurring right now but will be switching to per signup in a few weeks i think while everyone is struggling with their money because of the economy.