Bareback dilemna

Wow, what a guy misses when he's sleeping.

First, comparing a bareback video shoot to a snuf film where a guy gets a bullet in the head is an extreme example. Squirt, I do like a lot of what you have to say, but I wish you wouldn't resort to these Fundamentalist Christian tactics. Let's compare apples and apples.

Second, I absolutely think it is wrong to shoot bareback content without all of the players knowing the HIV status of their fellow actors.

Third, shooting a gang bang film where the bottom is a positive guy and the tops are a mixed bag of who knows because we didn't ask, I think this marginalizes and demeans HIV-positive people. It sends out a message: you're diseased, you're going to die anyway so we don't care what happens to you now. It also sends out a message that only bottoms get HIV and that tops are perfectly safe fucking without condoms.

Fifth, I think it is wrong to glorify the bug-chasing culture. So if it were me, I would only shoot a film with all HIV-positive actors.

Sixth, having said all of that, I think there is a place and a market for barebacking videos. With the progress made in drug therapy, a whole population of men who were condemned to death rebounded to a healthy life. They are living and not dying. Many may want to see themselves represented in porn. Many may not want to be reminded of their disease every time an actor puts on a condom. Many do not buy the reinfection theory or don't care, they figure their lives will ultimately be cut short at some point, so they want to enjoy what they have.

I don't buy the notion that bareback porn lures people into to barebacking themselves. If you are HIV-negative and you're not asking your sexual partners about their status, and you're not practicing safer sex, then there's something wrong with your head. And watching a bunch of guys fuck with or without condoms is not going to fix that.

However, having said that, we probably need to do greater outreach to guys under 30 because they were all just kids or not even born when the whole AIDS crisis began. And like someone pointed out, they don't have the experience of watching their entire friend-base disappear.

I think barebacking, like using drugs, drinking, or smoking, is a personal choice. I think if you're going to shoot it, then make sure everyone on the shoot has a big sit-down and talks about the issues. I'm more pro-communication than I am pro-barebacking. If two consenting adult sit down and talk about what's happening and make a fully informed decision, then that's really all we can ask. Because we're never going to stop people from doing things that aren't good for them.

I think you can also use your video as a way to educate people. Put a warning message at the beginning of it that can't be fast-forwarded through. Tell people that the actors all talked about HIV before they shot the film, tell people that this is a fantasy and all or none of these actors might be HIV-positive. Tell people that they need to talk to their sexual partners before having sex. And tell people that mixing recreational drugs and sex increases the possibility that they won't be in a state of mind to make an informed decision in the moment.

I put barebacking content on my site and I don't have a problem with it. I do, however, put a big warning jpeg on every barebacking gallery (see below). And the image is linked to page where I say much of what I have just said here. I also provide links to AIDS organizations around the world. For me, this is the ethical and responsible thing for me to do. Before I added this feature to my site and wrestled with the idea of having bareback content on my site. Since adding the feature to my site, I haven't lost a minute's sleep.

I think a more dangerous situation that needs our attention is the epidemic crystal meth use in our community. We ought to be doing more to stamp out that scourge. In the past year, we've had to say goodbye to two friends, not because they died, but because they're absolutely and completely fucked up on crystal meth. Tina is a more dangerous vehicle leading to HIV-infection than barebacking porn and we're only beginning to talk about it when we should be screaming about it.

Michael

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Originally Posted by MiamiB

You clearly have more time that I do...or at least more free time...so the next time that you state something in a public forum about me make sure you check your facts.

Certainly since you patrol these forum we don't have to worry about freedom of speech being used since anyone doing so will have to have a debate with you on the topic of the hour...fuck man!!

Lighten up...

Any way, just wanted to give my .02 cents and now I see what that gets me...fucked over...so you have done your job...I will be silent.

Good boy...Bush will give you a cookie in the morning!

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Whatever you fuckWAD. You have NO IDEA what my life is lilke

I don't care what the fuck you do.. I just don't think it's right so live life and give poor South American boys AIDS there's NOTHING I can do about it... such is life.

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I think a more dangerous situation that needs our attention is the epidemic crystal meth use in our community. We ought to be doing more to stamp out that scourge. In the past year, we've had to say goodbye to two friends, not because they died, but because they're absolutely and completely fucked up on crystal meth. Tina is a more dangerous vehicle leading to HIV-infection than barebacking porn and we're only beginning to talk about it when we should be screaming about it

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WTF are people doing using chrystal meth and fucking without condems? It feels just as good... what idiots

Sorry I hit the edit button instead of quote and so that last post looked like it was coming from Squirt. Here's mine.

Squirt said, "OH you dramatic cunt you wish I was comparing apples to oranges. If you don't see the difference to fucking without a condom and fucking with one, in South America, then such is life. "

I was referring to this quote, Squirt: "If you had a group of guys that wanted to put one bullet in a gun and have you film what happens as they pull the trigger, would you?"

I have no comment on what may or may not be happening in South America, I don't know enough about what's going on.

Michael

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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

I think a more dangerous situation that needs our attention is the epidemic crystal meth use in our community. We ought to be doing more to stamp out that scourge. In the past year, we've had to say goodbye to two friends, not because they died, but because they're absolutely and completely fucked up on crystal meth. Tina is a more dangerous vehicle leading to HIV-infection than barebacking porn and we're only beginning to talk about it when we should be screaming about it.

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To carry Michael's comment a little further, has anyone noticed the correlation between crystal meth and barebacking in porn? I remember not too many years ago when crystal meth wasn't an issue, and neither was barebacking in porn. Seems to me like the former is what drives the latter, in the sense that meth uninhibits the user from his normal aversion to highly risky behavior. I see a direct correlation between the upswing in crystal meth use and the upswing in barebacking in general, and of course porn always follows the cultural trends. Any thoughts on this?

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

If you are going to shoot bareback, it is my belief that the following two rules must be in play.....

1. Models should not be required to bareback to get the job.

2. They should not be paid less money if they choose not to.

This completely eliminates the possibility of models taking bareback jobs only because they can't find any other work.

If you stand by those two things, then all bareback models will have made a decision to bareback that didn't involve money. Which means they are either a longtime couple who has been barebacking for some time, or two random models who'd bareback anyway even if the camera wasn't there.

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Matt they don't care about any rules. They believe that anything goes. Whatever it takes to pay their rent next week. Pretty sad

Very interesting points of view. One thing that I now understand about the topic is that barebacking is an acceptable way to have sex for a great many people in this country and around the world. It is reflective of our society and how we view sex, morality, and ethics.

I thought it was time to confront this issue head on. I was faced with a dilemna and now I know what I'm going to do about it.

We talked about impression here. Well, to be honest, some of the sites of webmasters on this board give the "impression" of underage models. The models may be of legal age, but the "impression" of the graphics are to prey upon the pedopheliac cravings of the surfer.

If a webmaster attacks another webmaster here maliciously and with hatred, just because they have a differing opinion, that is behavior just as risky as unprotected sex. Hate fuels alot of the war in this world, the poverty in this world, and the suffering. I saw hatred on this board and that to me is truly sad to see.

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Originally Posted by Huskyhunks

Very interesting points of view. One thing that I now understand about the topic is that barebacking is an acceptable way to have sex for a great many people in this country and around the world. It is reflective of our society and how we view sex, morality, and ethics.

I thought it was time to confront this issue head on. I was faced with a dilemna and now I know what I'm going to do about it.

We talked about impression here. Well, to be honest, some of the sites of webmasters on this board give the "impression" of underage models. The models may be of legal age, but the "impression" of the graphics are to prey upon the pedopheliac cravings of the surfer.

If a webmaster attacks another webmaster here maliciously and with hatred, just because they have a differing opinion, that is behavior just as risky as unprotected sex. Hate fuels alot of the war in this world, the poverty in this world, and the suffering. I saw hatred on this board and that to me is truly sad to see.

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I agree with Charles on this for the most part. Why can't debates be less of personal attacks? It truly is sad, that important issues evolve into nothing but personal attacks. :cry:

just my opinion though.
Ian

Huskyhunks - if you're in california, you can receive truly enormous fines or potentially go to jail for producing a bareback video with a guy with hiv. i don't know about other states, but i do know about this one.

btw, i've been wondering - if you really felt totally okay with it, why would you ask for our opinions?

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Originally Posted by Squirt

I just had fucking great SAFE SEX and life is good. :high: :high:

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But did you take photos?

Basschick,

I'm not totally ok with it. I wanted to express that I mixed feelings about producing porn like this and I wanted to know how you guys felt about that. I have to go with my gut on this one and I just don't want to put anyone in harms way so I won't do it.

There are two sides to this issue and who is to say that one is more valid than the other. It's a personal choice for me to engange in the kind of sex I want to. With that being said, I have to take responsibility for my actions. I choose to have safe sex but it's my choice.

I see barebacking become more "mainstream" in gay movies. I just had to ask why that was.

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I see barebacking become more "mainstream" in gay movies. I just had to ask why that was.

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Because it's now a taboo

*note to self* don't drink fuck then post, then fuck again, and again :high:

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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

Wow, what a guy misses when he's sleeping.

I think a more dangerous situation that needs our attention is the epidemic crystal meth use in our community. We ought to be doing more to stamp out that scourge. In the past year, we've had to say goodbye to two friends, not because they died, but because they're absolutely and completely fucked up on crystal meth. Tina is a more dangerous vehicle leading to HIV-infection than barebacking porn and we're only beginning to talk about it when we should be screaming about it.

Michael

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I would completely agree with the above statement. In talking to a lot of our models (all of whom are under 24), it seems that crystal is very highly correlated to barebacking because apparently one of the side effects of tina is a desire to have sex RIGHT NOW and responsibility goes out the window.

Additionally, I have seen very, very, very few people that have been able to *responsibly* use crystal meth (as in, use it occasionally and not get pulled down into the dirt) and dozens of guys that were once adamantly anti-drug that are now hopelessly caught in the crystal addiction spiral.

We will be working on a documentary on HIV among young gay guys (specifically, some of our models and others). It will be a freely distributed DVD that we hope to get out everywhere so that the young gay guys that *haven't* got any idea what they're dealing with can perhaps get a message that will hit them between the eyes. But we've also discussed, after the first documentary is done, doing another one specifically on crystal meth because I agree that it is rapidly becoming as much of a problem among gay youth (and the rest of gay society) as HIV is.

crystal - a recent thing? not around here.

crystal was a regular thing in hollywood and the mcarthur park area -especially with bi guys having gay sex in the 70's and 80's. most of the guys i know who got hiv actually got it either through shooting with another guy who was positive or else through sort of bypassing judgement while buzzed.

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Originally Posted by basschick

crystal - a recent thing? not around here.

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nor here but the availability is more wide spread. The rave act came down and killed the MDA market (yes, I know… everyone still does it and can get it but I’m not talking about knockoff MDMA)

In the 90’s ICE was the choice but at its cost, almost unheard of. Today ICE is still high priced but can be found “almost” anywhere and Crank can be bought anywhere from schools to coffee houses to night clubs to the local trailer park. You don’t need to be rich to run a meth lab.

I stopped going to nightclubs around 8 years ago when the tina craze started to honestly become a nightly thing to do.

The gay community seems to have been hit hardest with this addiction as it’s a fast drug that keeps you up 6+ days trolling circuit party to circuit party fucking everyone else who’s doing the same.

The sad part is you would think Gay’s would have more respect for their looks but I guess toothless and ate up is the new pink.

I know that one of my employees back in the mid-90s in San Diego (non-adult industry) had a crystal problem, and I had a bf who had a relative who manufactured crystal in his kitchen (somewhere near SF), this was in '89 or so. So that was my first exposure to it. But I think the epidemic problems that we're now seeing in the midwest and south are relatively new, as in last 3-4 years.

I definitely know that here in SF, it seems like almost 100% of the young gay guys in the Castro scene are into crystal.

Basically, among the under 24 crowd, it seems to break up into two groups: Go to the castro, get drunk, do drugs, pick up guys, or NEVER go to bars or drink at all. Weird how there seems to be very little middle ground.

basschick,

I'm surprised you're not seeing it in LA, it's pretty much all over the place. When I was in Ft. Lauderdale for Internext, I spent some time in the chat rooms and most of the local people I talked to were either scared to death of HIV or were "partying."

The first time I encountered ecstasy was in 1999 and the mood in the clubs was pretty lovey-dovey. About a year later, a lot of the E started having meth in it and the scene started changing. The music was harder and the people were more aggressive. By 2003, we couldn't stand being at a dance bar or party.

Michael

I'm sorry to say this but some of your are spitting out the religious right propaganda regarding Crystal being a Gay issue and the reason people bareback and spread AIDS. It's not true. Meth is not a Gay problem, it's a societal issue.

If you disagree simply goto ANY rave in ANY town in ANY country on this planet. Ravers are not Gay.. they are a generation of boys, girls, men, women who do E to roll and have a good time.

I understand that some of us only can relate our experiences that only involve the Gay community that we are a part of, and not the straight community, but you need to remember that drug use, abuse, is not specific to sexual orientation.

Drugs are used by everyone in every facet of our society, not just Gay men. It's always been like this, it always will be. Don't believe the BS you're being fed at every turn telling you it's just our problem, as that is simply not the truth.

If every Gay man and woman was wiped off the face of the earth today would there still be AIDS? Would there still be raves? Would people still be promiscuous? Isn't it ironic that Sex In The City was so popular and such a big nationwide hit and consisted of women being openly promiscuous, yet Queer as Folk is condemned because of Gay men having the same behavior.

AIDS is not a Gay problem/creations. E / Meth use is not a Gay problem/creation. Promiscuity is not a Gay problem/creation. These are all issues that everyone deals with and are susceptible to, not, by a long shot, just the Gay community.

Squirt,

I totally agree that meth is by no means limited to the gay community... there have been a lot of articles about small towns in middle america where the livestock has been left to die of starvation because the farmer discovers meth, and high school kids (male and female, presumably mostly straight) in these small towns where meth is introduced and spreads like wildfire.

However, I can say that in san francisco, at least, meth use among gay youth (18-24) appears to be MUCH more prevalent than in the straight community. The raver crowd seems pretty different than the gay youth clubbing crowd. The ravers seem more inclined to stick with E, alcohol, and weed, while the gay guys use E, but crystal and coke seem to be a lot more prevalent. Both gay and straight youth also seem to be abusing Oxycontin and Vicodin in large quantities, and when I've discussed how close Oxycontin is to heroin, and how addictive it can be, most of them are genuinely shocked. So there is a tremendous amout of misinformation and lack of information among the culture.

We have models in both circles (which don't seem to overlap that much) as well as models and friends that are completely out of the drug/alcohol scene, and that's just the info that we get from them.

well crystal is a gay issue. When you have 10% of population accounting for 50% of HIV and know that meth makes them do it bare even more, it is an issue.

if you read my post again, you'll see that i said it's not a RECENT problem. i've seen plenty of crystal use for over 30 years, since i first ran away to hollywood.

i know plenty of gay and non gay people who abuse this drug, and it does seem to suck any judgement right out of a person. i had 5 friends who sometimes invited me to meetings in weho, and i got to hear a lot about meth use and users. most of my friends and their friends slid back at least once, too. and sex with strangers or almost-strangers always seemed to come into those backslides.

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basschick,

I'm surprised you're not seeing it in LA, it's pretty much all over the place. When I was in Ft. Lauderdale for Internext, I spent some time in the chat rooms and most of the local people I talked to were either scared to death of HIV or were "partying."

The first time I encountered ecstasy was in 1999 and the mood in the clubs was pretty lovey-dovey. About a year later, a lot of the E started having meth in it and the scene started changing. The music was harder and the people were more aggressive. By 2003, we couldn't stand being at a dance bar or party.

Michael

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well crystal is a gay issue. When you have 10% of population accounting for 50% of HIV and know that meth makes them do it bare even more, it is an issue.

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Can you give a link to those statistics please?

Many of the decisions we make in life are ethical ones. Just because it's "business" doesn't excuse anyone from the consequences of their actions. It's one thing for a couple to bareback and it is quite another for you to MAKE MONEY from that decision. The question for everyone in this industry to ask themselves is "Do I want to be a part of the solution to the HIV/AIDS epidemic or not?" Making bareback porn does not help.

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Originally Posted by jIgG

well crystal is a gay issue. When you have 10% of population accounting for 50% of HIV and know that meth makes them do it bare even more, it is an issue.

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Ah yes, and there's jIgG, always at the ready with his AIDS-phobic statistics and information.

Michael

phobic statistics?
sorry I forgot, the CDC is out the get the gays with fake stats

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Originally Posted by Squirt

Can you give a link to those statistics please?

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Didnt you post them the other week?

Regards,

Lee

I know 5 models specifically that are friends of mine that used to do gay porn that are now infected with the HIV virus. However, none of them ever performed in bareback videos, nor did they receive HIV from any of the models that they were in scenes with. Is it possible to conclude that by just anyone being in porn, they become more marketable for hookups and sex in general. Go to a club and see a porn star there, suddenly wanting the usual drunken kid in the corner doesn't seem quite so appealing. Becoming more marketable makes you more at risk of plenty of controversial choices. Everyone assumes when a porn star becomes HIV infected, it's because of their extremely risky career. How many people sit back to think just how many of them got it off camera. Does doing porn change your sexual habits off camera as well? Where's the stat for that one?!?

If you really want to involve ethics in this, filming porn in general is putting these kids in a position that can lead to a variety of terrible future events. Of course, the average person can argue that from the producer's standpoint, how could we possibly be responsible for future choices they make?

This particular topic reminds me alot of a debate i constantly had with my old boss. She was a catholic, conservate republican and i was the agnostic, liberal democrat. No matter how much we fought back and forth, we were still in the same exact views as before. What makes you a bigger man at the end of the debate, is if you can look at it as an informative conversation and walk on. Making a personal attack towards someone because they run their company different than yours is hardly a solution.

I very much so enjoy watching bareback porn and performing it with my boyfriend. However, i have never filmed it. My reason, has nothing to do with ethics, starting a movement, or sending a message, but simply the fact that I don't want the responsiblity or "unstoppable guilt" that i would feel if something happened to one of my models.

That's the view of the young kid on the boards... later guys, play nice *wink*

Ethan

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Originally Posted by jIgG

phobic statistics?
sorry I forgot, the CDC is out the get the gays with fake stats

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I think your mindset is very narrow regarding HIV/AIDS to think 50% of the worlds HIV/AIDS cases is due to 10% of the population using meth.

If you're quoting the CDC statistics then you're wrong.

The CDC statistics state that 2.3% of the population is Gay.

So what you're really saying is 50% of the worlds HIV/AIDS cases are due to meth induced unprotected homosexual sex. YOUR WRONG :P

I've read the CDC statistics, but since you didn't give me the courtesy of a link, I'm not going to waste my time giving you one.

I'm sure you'll disagree that the majority of HIV/AIDS cases in the world are from heterosexual sex.. you see.. that's how women and children get HIV/AIDS

This trend of our community being scared into thinking we are responsible for HIV/AIDS and our people deserve it for reason A, B, C, D, is not accurate, nor good for our community. Viruses do not discriminate... get it through your head people!

If every Gay or Bisexual person was wiped off the face of this earth today HIV/AIDS would still exist... and continue to spread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Lee

Didnt you post them the other week?

Regards,

Lee

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Enlighten me. I don't remember 10% of the worlds population being responsible for 50% of HIV/AIDS cases. Especially since the majority of HIV/AIDS cases are heterosexual in nature.. and they are not 10% of the population.

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Originally Posted by BananaMan

Many of the decisions we make in life are ethical ones. Just because it's "business" doesn't excuse anyone from the consequences of their actions. It's one thing for a couple to bareback and it is quite another for you to MAKE MONEY from that decision. The question for everyone in this industry to ask themselves is "Do I want to be a part of the solution to the HIV/AIDS epidemic or not?" Making bareback porn does not help.

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I totally agree.

Do you guys promote sites that have bareback sex on them? I'm not making a judgement call at all, just curious.

i've been thinking about this. i live by west hollywood, yet i know a lot more straight crystal abusers than gay. like i said, i went to meetings with friends, plus i had a friend into meth, and all the people she got high with or bought from were straight. and my ex mother in law used to know tons of meth people - only a couple were gay. and i mean she know a LOT.

i don't believe crystal is mainly a gay issue, although it certainly is a very used drug.

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well crystal is a gay issue. When you have 10% of population accounting for 50% of HIV and know that meth makes them do it bare even more, it is an issue.

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I don't believe crystal is mainly a gay issue, although it certainly is a very used drug.

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You're right, crystal is not a Gay issue.

Pot isn't a Gay issue.

Coccaine wasn't a Gay issue in the 70's, 80's & 90's.

It's important for people in our community to remember that just because our community is proactive in tackling drug use and STD issues, it doesn't mean they are our problem, it means we're more pro active in combating these issues then the straight community generally is.

If every GLBT person was wiped off the face of the planet this second there would still be drug addicts, people using E, crystal, pot, etc. People will continue to die of HIV/AIDS, and continue to get the disease, along with other STD's.

I am so tired of religious aspects of the straight community blaming the Gay community for disease, perversion and addiction, it's absolutely pathetic and even worse, some of our own people start to beleive it!

I'm going back to the original topic of barebacking. So all barebacking is not created the same then. There's good barebacking and bad now ? No wonder there's so many mixed messages being given and received.

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If a webmaster attacks another webmaster here maliciously and with hatred, just because they have a differing opinion, that is behavior just as risky as unprotected sex. Hate fuels alot of the war in this world, the poverty in this world, and the suffering. I saw hatred on this board and that to me is truly sad to see.

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Huskyhunks, you do have a good point here, but please note that most of the hostility is going on between two people. Many GWW regulars have chimed in with thier own thoughts and were able to maintain a respectful tone.

Guys, I respect all of your opinions, and the day we all agree with each other 100% will be a sad day. We are human beings, not Borg. People are allowed to have disagreements and different opinions, but please keep the name calling out of it. Even if you do not agree with someone and their opinion upsets you, simply stating that you do not agree and even stating that you have been upset by the opinion is fine. Attacking the other person becasue of their views is not acceptable behaviour.

Okay, I was not going to chime in on this one but since I'm here I will. This is only my experience and impression. I was watching the movie Jeffrey the other day and I was struck with a thought. In the early 90's, the time when I was coming out, people had gotten over the shock of HIV and AIDS and were starting to accept it as a terrible fact of life. The drugs were just starting to be developed that were enabling people with HIV to live longer and not exhibit many of the symptoms that people had to deal with in the 80's. The problem was that people with HIV were being treated like the plague. Misinformation and a lack of education had people believing that HIV could be spread by such things as touch, a toilet seat, a kiss, a sneeze, etc. People with HIV have just as much right to hook up, fall in love and have sex as negative people do so we needed education.

Somewhere along the way a movement was started to sexualize the HIV positive man. Rather than HIV becoming an accepted way of life, it started to become glamerous. I saw a porn star do a one man show in Hollywood about how liberating it was to become positive, and how he would no longer have to be afraid of sex, he could fuck as many people as he wanted and not have to worry anymore. He stood up on a pedestal, dropped his robe to reveal a magnificient body, and proudly proclaimed, "I am an HIV positive man". And everyone was being so politically correct that nobody wanted to take away the Poz guys' right to be and feel sexy. The problem was, nobody was saying, "I'm alive, healthy and sexy, but believe me... you don't want this." The bug chasers feel they are part of an exclusive club. They feel that by getting the "gift" they can engage in the hedonistic lifestyle that was rampant in the 70's. Nobody is thinking about the future.

When I was 20 I never thought I would make it to 30 and didn't plan for anything. Now at 36 I'm struggling to make things better for myself now and for when I'm older. I'm glad I was closeted in my youth because I probably would have done some really harmful things. I'm not saying not to bareback and I'm not saying bareback content should not be shown online or in movies. I'm just saying to keep in mind that there are a lot of people who admire porn stars and people who use adult movies as guidelines on how to have sex.

Being involved in the leather scene, I see tons of guys who teach themselves BDSM by watching porn videos. Most people who produce Leather videos throw a bunch of models into chaps and harnesses and have them fuck. Some snort poppers, halfheartedly throw a flogger and maybe put restraints on the bottom before they fuck him. No mention of safe play is ever made, scene negotiations aren't sexy so they are never part of the movies, and rarely does the movie feature an ad for a website where safe BDSM practices can be learned. What happens? People get hurt. And sometimes, although rarely, people die. Should everyone stop doing BDSM? No. Should they stop making videos? No. Should there be education to keep people from causing damage and death? Yes. Barebacking is a decision for each person to make for themselves, but there should be education along with the fantasy so people don't take the fantasy with them into thier reality and cause themselves or others harm.

Again, these are my opinions and mine only. Please respect them the way I respect the fact that yours may be different. Thank you.

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There's good barebacking and bad now ? No wonder there's so many mixed messages being given and received.

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The reality is that if someone has herpes on his cock, and sticks his cock in someones ass, the guy is going to get herpes on his ass. The same with any other STD.

Why promote that?

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Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike

Somewhere along the way a movement was started to sexualize the HIV positive man. Rather than HIV becoming an accepted way of life, it started to become glamerous. I saw a porn star do a one man show in Hollywood about how liberating it was to become positive, and how he would no longer have to be afraid of sex, he could fuck as many people as he wanted and not have to worry anymore. He stood up on a pedestal, dropped his robe to reveal a magnificient body, and proudly proclaimed, "I am an HIV positive man". And everyone was being so politically correct that nobody wanted to take away the Poz guys' right to be and feel sexy. The problem was, nobody was saying, "I'm alive, healthy and sexy, but believe me... you don't want this." The bug chasers feel they are part of an exclusive club. They feel that by getting the "gift" they can engage in the hedonistic lifestyle that was rampant in the 70's. Nobody is thinking about the future.

When I was 20 I never thought I would make it to 30 and didn't plan for anything. Now at 36 I'm struggling to make things better for myself now and for when I'm older. I'm glad I was closeted in my youth because I probably would have done some really harmful things. I'm not saying not to bareback and I'm not saying bareback content should not be shown online or in movies. I'm just saying to keep in mind that there are a lot of people who admire porn stars and people who use adult movies as guidelines on how to have sex.

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I've never seen the Gay HIV scene that way before. When I was 20 my sons mother lived with me, pregnant, and I supported her and my partner. I was planning for the future.

When I was 18 I was dating a news guy. Every weekend we would drive an hour outside Sacremento to stay with an older friend of ours who was a social worker that rented out a room to terminal AIDS patients. I got to know so many people with AIDS through him, and slowly watch them die, one by one, over the years.

So my mindset was always on the future and knowing the real consequences of HIV/AIDS and what the ultimate end is.

unsafe sex = fear

When I see bareback porn all I can think is "Are those guys dead now?" "Did they one of them have HIV/AIDS?" "Did they both know the risk?" "Did one of the guys contract HIV/AIDS?"

People will film whatever they want to film.

I guess my frustration comes with there being a viable market for bareback and viewers not having a more realistic mindset about the consequences, because if they did, bareback sex wouldn't be a turn on, it would be a turn off. My .002cents

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Originally Posted by Squirt

When I see bareback porn all I can think is "Are those guys dead now?" "Did they one of them have HIV/AIDS?" "Did they both know the risk?" "Did one of the guys contract HIV/AIDS?"

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I can completely relate to that. When I see risky behavior in porn it just makes me think those things, and it's a big turn-off. I always think "Were they really into that, or was it just the money? Am I watching them sell their health and future?" etc.

We had a similar experience, Squirt. My first job out of college was being a recording engineer at a gay owned and operated phone sex company. The owner started the company with a bunch of his friends and most of them were of the first and second wave of HIV/AIDS. We had the best medical plan there was, and everyone there was healthy, yet the fact that most of them were positive was never ignored. I was very closted and repressed when I got the job and the family atmosphere there was what helped me ultimately come out. So I was lucky to be in my mid 20's and coming into my sexuality with the knowledge of what HIV was, what the latest medical news was, and also to be close with many people who were living with it. And sadly, to know people who have died from it. I'll never forget one very handsome man who had a lot of guys after him, played around a lot and enjoyed himself like a lot of gay men, who was there one day, took a leave of absence due to illness and within a month was dead. The sad truth is that I think of him every time I see bareback porn and it really depresses me.

Then again, I eat fatty foods, drink too much coffee and don't excersize. If I don't change my ways soon I, myself, am knowingly heading towards an early grave. We all take risks.

I have models who are positive. I could care less if they want to bareback, or not. This isn't their production. This isn't a dating service or a hook up service for them. This is my company. The content I film of the models is a reflection of my business and also of me. In no way would we EVER allow anyone who is positive to bareback. That's just asking for nothing but trouble. It also makes you, the producer, legally liable should your other performers contract HIV while filming on your set or for your company. What they do on their own time is their business. Once you are paying them, filming them and marketing them, they become a "product". They become YOUR "product".

Put it this way: If you owned a McDonalds, would you allow someone to buy an uncooked hamburger because that's how they like to eat them? Would you allow uncooked chicken crawlign with solmonella to go out to a customer? No. There are too many health risks involved. Someone could die.

The same can be said here. Bareback sex, although we as a company are against it, is still a main niche in this business, both straight and gay. Bareback sex with someone who is HIV positive... that's just insane.

This question is quite possibly the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard, and I caution you to put a condom on that boy and his partners wen you are filming.

My two cents.

Rocky