Cheers Rob.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveBucks_Rob
Guess thats proof that as of 12 months ago, there were still some good domains available to be registered LOL
Regards,
Lee
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Cheers Rob.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveBucks_Rob
Guess thats proof that as of 12 months ago, there were still some good domains available to be registered LOL
Regards,
Lee
the designs are like the old topbucks site tours.
now, topbucks rework all sites with exclusive content ;-)
I think this is the future, exclusive content.
Thanks Paul and an even bigger thanks for all your help these past few months :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by CCBill Paul
Regards,
Lee
The new affiliate program is definately off the chain! :groovy:
I don't get why anyone would bitch about your launch, the sites are all great and it couldn't be more obvious a lot of thought and planning went into all of them. Yes it's all been done before, but Lee says he knows what has been tried, and what works. I believe him. An album of covers can be just as hot as something new.
In my opinion though content is king, and I haven't seen the content of all the Condom Cash sites. An ambundance (or lack) of hot fresh content for every site will make or break this program with webmasters and rebilling surfers, so a lot of content discussion is what would give me the most confidence in it.
er... what? i recently reviewed the topbucks sites, and except for the reality sites, the topbucks sites don't have any content at all - they are 100% plugins.
btw, if the conent is inside the member area, why does it matter if the tours are 1 page tours - even short ones? you never know what surfers will buy from, and if they get pics and movies in, say, the tattoo niche after buying a tattoo membership - well, hey! not EVERY surfer has seen the ounique pics. i always got sales from sites with ounique and pixmasters.
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Originally Posted by webnet
Hey Lee, congrats on the launch, and let me know if you'd be interested in having me do a story on the new site for AVNOnline.com.
XOXO
Thanks for the offer Ken.
Lets give it a few weeks first though, dont want to run before we've got the walking part down pat ;)
Regards,
Lee
Hmmmm. OK, well, at that point, the "launch story" window of timeliness of the site will have passed, so maybe we could do a "School of Hard Knox" column interview that focused on you as a webmaster or something. Could tie it in with GWW as well. But if you want us to cover the actual launch of the site, then now would be the time to do it while the story is still "hot." ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Congrats on the launch guys -- I know this has been a long time coming! Wish you all success!
I see a couple of sites in there that I'm sure will generate sales. We'll get some links up over the weekend.
Good luck Lee & thanks for the quick responses to my Emails earlier this week.
I like the sites. I like the program. Webmasters sometimes forget that thousands of new surfers get on the net everyday and they are brand new to everything. You can tell alot of time and thought went into the design but in the end, sales are what matter. Designs don't sell memberships. Lee knows that, he's a smart cookie :)
No problems Seth looking forward to working with you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth
Regards,
Lee
Thanks hon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec
Regards,
Lee
I couldnt agree with you more on that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskyhunks
Regards,
Lee
Yeah, I know commercials for Ariel, Persil, Omo or any other detergent also obviously work, but most of us still think they're crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLS
And by the way, I'm talking as surfer, a person who is surfing the net and comes across these sites... I can't see any reason to join them if there is no price written on it... no tour to see what's in it and nothing new for me, a surfer that has seen lots and lots of gay sites...
I'm not bitching to make Lee feel bad, I'm just trying to figure out why he decided to do it in the old fashioned manor... nothing else. I personally wish him and all affiliates all the best with these sites, I'm just somewhat concerned that gay porn doesn't move on beyond reality sites and overused content sites...
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Originally Posted by basschick
Did anyone of guys promoting this program get to see what's inside? Or are all affiliates just cash driven bastards like on gfy?
Heehee I haven't seen such controversy or discussion over a launch in awhile!
Anyway, I've signed up and am looking forward to seeing some sales. There's several interesting sites that I'm interested in too.
I'm an affiliate -- that's my sole occupation, it's what pays the loans, grocery, rent and other bills.
I'm thankful for sites that convert and I'm thankful for the people who go through my sites and help me earn a living.
What I find interesting is that most of the people who wrote some fancy threads about honesty in this business decided to close their eyes and promote sites that were obviously made just for sole purpose of sucking people's money from their ccard...
Nobody minds that these sites don't have a single tour. Nobody cares, they don't even have a price written anywhere, that a surfer has to give their email first before they see the price...
And the payout just screams "Fuck, we're so bad, that surfer won't probably rebill so we're paying you $44 Per Sale! "
Yeah.. bravo, keep on supporting this sort of philosophy and soon the whole industry will have even harder time convincing surfers to part with their cc.
Did you already hit 100 sales per day?
i guess i'm missing something here, dalimili. lee's sites are not dishonest - they don't promise anything they don't provide. the sites have actual content inside them, not just plugins. the content is in the niches of the site, not just generic content. okay, it's not exclusive content - but plenty of sites aren't.
the only people who are going to join the sites are surfers who are NOT tired of ounique content and who are looking for content in the niches of the sites. i see you really don't care for the kind of tours condomcash offers, but since the tours do LESS hardselling rather than more, what's the real problem? if men WANT to see that content, and the member areas provide that content, who exactly is being harmed or misled by these sites?
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Originally Posted by basschick
Basschick, I haven't seen a single tour on those sites. And no price stated anywhere... User has to giveaway his email to see price and most of them that don't join after they see it's 29.95 will probably get spammed... or am I totally wrong on this one?
OH and I don't mind Ounique content, or non-exclusive content sites at ALL! I never said anything against it... it's just most of those pics are from 1994 sets and I clearly remember one thread where most of you including Lee were smart saying something like...
"Most of the AEN webmasters are still stuck in cookie cutter sites or they put one old picture of a guy on their main page and expect to make sales"...
i've seen other tours that had no prices and i had to put my info before i got more info that didn't spam. the popular theory is if you ask for email and name first, separate from the other info, more people will sign all the way up.
usually using ccbill or epoch, unless you have custom programming, there's no way to collect the emails. we had 2 page join forms on my old sites and didn't collection the info.
Ok, whatever... congrats to Lee... I really hope you do make tons of sales and all your affiliates, but I think I've concluded my education on GWW board.
Congrats on the sites Lee, a nice start!
IMO I have to admit it's a different approach then what I do now (making huge all exclusive megasites), but I can see how it could make money. These sites really remind me of the AVS sites I used to do when I started in the business. I'd make about 20 1 or 2 page tour sites in different niches, throw them up, and hope for sales. I'd usually get lucky and find a couple tours in each batch that would sell really well, and since they also got the access to thousands of other sites the retention would generally be pretty good.
I do have to say I make much more money now that my sites are all exclusive, constantly updating (the tour and member's area) and really focus on branding in a couple of niche sites with tours that show more of what's in the member area...it's kind of the 'quality above quantity' approach which I think works best for long term results.
However, there are different approaches to making money in the business and it's all a learning process, I don't think we should all be so harsh to judge. It would be great if Lee could post some numbers on how he converts, which sites are doing the best etc. so we can all learn from him. I have no doubt that some of these sites are selling, I think what Lee needs to do is just focus on those sites that are selling the most and eventually turn them into exclusive high quality sites to keep them converting and retaining.
My .02 for what little it's worth.
I agree 100% with you dannyz ;-)
Bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyz
The larger picture is hopefully going to start becoming clearer to a few people now ;)
Regards,
Lee
Yeah, I figured there was a larger picture, obviously this is just the beginning. Good luck Lee, I look forward to watching the evolution! :thumbsup:Quote:
Bingo!
The larger picture is hopefully going to start becoming clearer to a few people now
Right, but thats not to say older content doesnt sell, ive openly stated on GWW in the past that we still make sales from content we purchased pre '96 thats still true today.Quote:
Originally Posted by dalimili
You seem to be under the impression that we're going to be spamming surfers who join up to our sites because the content is old, i can assure you, we arent, surfers can sign up to a site, view all the content and cancel their membership if they want, they will obviously get offered a different price point on the cancel page but, thats just good business and if they choose not to accept it, they wont hear from us again.
We dont have any pre-checked cross sells on the sites join pages, the surfer is being told that they can join and get instant unlimited access, that is what they are going to be getting, no thrills, no con's, no spam, just access to a wide range of porn, over 1 and a 1/2 million images, 300 movie scenes (at 480x360 resolution) hundreds of erotic stories, live feeds, streaming theatres, there is actualy 'niche specific' content in the sites, we arent telling the surfers to become a member so we can upsell them or just show them the same content in EVERY members area. We're telling the surfers exactly what they will find in the sites, we want them to renew their membership which is why we have weekly updates, if they dont renew, our affiliates wont make any money, which means they stop using us as a program.
Also, you are wrong on one thing, the user doesnt have to give away his email address to see the price, just click on the 'join' button without filling out the information, the custom join page is there to save the surfer time in purchasing their membership, as i mentioned earlier in this thread, the quicker you get a surfer to a join page, the more chance that YOU as an affiliate has at making a sale.
Regards,
Lee
Oh Joy! Refreshing! Very easy to read, great colors and simple to navigate.
Bookmarked!
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