Derogatory use of the word "gay"

slaxxx - thanks for being a jerk, but actually i'm in a very happy ltr, and half my relationships have been with women.

read the news. did you know the NUMBER 1 cause of pregnant women's deaths under the age of 34 is that they are killed by their significant others? my daughter's last 3 bosses were all fired for sexual harrassment, and although she had no really bad problems with those men, several others women were really troubled by them.

look at str8 porn, bucko. half or more is aimed at hating women - as a sales technique. and god knows that all str8 men are loving and tolerant of their gay brothers, right? i've seen a couple "fag bashings" happen, and was almost caught in one with a friend - 5 guys with baseball bats yelling "Faggot" at us and believe me, we were lucky we got to the car and i peeled out of there.

there are some wonderful str8 men out there who i consider my best friends. but - according to the fbi and other sources like NOW - str8 men are by far the largest perps of violent crime.

and humiliation is a big tool. i don't think we should let people humiliate or shame us with words. and we certainly shouldn't help those who want to use things about us to mean something negative!

In all fairness, Patti, I think you put too much weight on the "straight men" part and ignore other circumstances. I mean you come across as hating straight men.

I mean... violent crime is a leading cause of death for all demographics under the age of 34. Not just pregnant women. Young people under 34 seldom die of natural causes. Homicides... accidents... those are what kill young people. And so already, homicide would be a likely candidate for a leading cause of death for women under 34, and thus likewise pregnant women under 34. And homicide between spouses/partners is not unheard of. So "murder by SO of pregnant women under 34" has a lot of factors that go in to that being a likely end result of the statistics.

Then factor in the fact that gay men are not getting their gay male partners pregnant.

And lesbian women are not impregnating their lesbian female partners.

A lot of people have studied the phenomenon of husbands killing their pregnant wives - buckling under the pressure of added responsibilities, panicking and afraid of what being a father of a child or husband of a mother entails. Financial responsibilities. Emotional responsibilities. Susan Smith. Waneta Hoyt. What other infanticide by mother. Not cuz heterosexual women are fucked up or prone to violence, but because goodness knows what switch tripped in their head with all that they were going through and thinking and dealing with and unable to handle when it came to motherhood and its pressures.

In fact, did you know that in the United States, if you're an infant and murdered in your first week of life, there's a 90% chance the person that murdered you was a woman - most likely your mother?

Does that mean that new mothers are bad people? That heterosexual women have some sort of problem? Because I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of those women who are the perpretrators in 90% of all week-old infant homicides are heterosexual women.

Of course it doesn't mean that. It's just that circumstances lend themselves to a mother being the most likely perpetrator when a child is murdered in the first week of infancy. And there's a societal and likely biological and psychological factor at play here when some young parents are unable to handle the pressures of parenthood or impending parenthood.

I think you're being unfair towards straight men, and putting too much value on the "straight man" aspect of the person in the statistics you point out. As if they reason they commit the crime is they're straight. Or that if they weren't straight, nothing bad woulda happen and everything woulda been ok. It was just that they were a goddamn straight man that they had to go and do that shit.

when in actuality, it's just a correlation factor, not a causation factor. Like me saying "Did you know that white people cause the majority of car accidents Vermont?!?!" Well... of course they do!

you don't think it's amazing that pregnant women aren't killed by accidents or pregnancy-related health problems before murder by lovers?

i sure do! accidents - especially car accidents - are plentiful. i would have expected it to be that.

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Originally Posted by basschick

you don't think it's amazing that pregnant women aren't killed by accidents or pregnancy-related health problems before murder by lovers?

i sure do! accidents - especially car accidents - are plentiful. i would have expected it to be that.

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Of course it's a fucked up fact that so many pregnant women are killed by their partners. That's a sad mark on society and humanity and whatever psychological factors go in to such horrible actions being committed.

But again, homicides are already a leading cause of death among young people. And I don't know about all pregnant women, but thinking of the ones I've known, they probably engage in lifestyle changes that'd make a dent in the likelihood of accidental death. A pregnant woman might drive more carefully. Not go bike riding or take extra care in descending a flight of steps. Not go skiing. Get medical checkups more frequently and be immersed in the healthcare system. So all of those factors could contribute to decreases in accidental causes of death among pregnant women.

I'm not disputing that there's an alarming phenomenon of pregant women being killed by their partners. I'm just saying that there's more to statistics than just the statistics, and that being a heterosexual male in and of itself doesn't make anyone a bad person, nor does it make them more prone and more likely to becoming a bad person.