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HAHA! You're right. Nevermind. Nothing to see here folks... move along.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
EXACTLY!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
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Originally Posted by abostonboy
I am not the only one that says that man, even as I recall to use someone around here the guy from http://www.intensecash.com says it converts less on his site. You would think it would be better, but in reality it does not. Not they have way less traffic and the traffic they do have converts only about 70-80% of what free traffic will.
Max,
AVS's have evolved. There is a NEW AVS with a totally different model. An Avs where you don't even have to create a site. :)
Well thax man, did not really know about that I will give them a try. I for one am not a cock blocker, is their any wonder why people do not trust allot of the stuff some of the people around here say. But thax again at least I got something out of this today, it does help to stir the pot at least that is what I keep telling myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
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Originally Posted by abostonboy
Can you have Ads? whats the URLs?
just as lee said in an earlier post don't listen to one webmaster. Yes, they are big. And since the fact that as you say the traffic is smaller than the hun, a new niche site that an AVS surfer has not seen before, converts and retains way better than a site that is all over the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Avses are amazing tools to market new smaller sites in a niche.
And the reason sites like Intense cash do so poorly is that they basically have the same feeds as say you get with a UGAS Platinum membership which you get a trial to an a regular membership or a Man Check Plus Membership whic is all get a trail to as well. So why would w member join a site that basically has the same content he's already getting if he stayed thru the trial at the avs.
But a smaller niche site. Hmmmmmm....
Test it out. don't take my work for it.
I know a webmaster that has made over $10,000 just selling one website on one AVS in about a year. Creating one site a day 5 days a week. And the damn avs sites he creates is a template. takes him maybe 15 min a day to design/submit. $10k a year for 15 min a day work. I am envisious of him. :)
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I did not just go by him, that has been my experience as well, I just used him as an example so you might see that I was not alone in this. But even getting them to join a free trial is a bitch not even counting retention. I really did use to love avs site years ago, they made 45% of my sales but now I could almost count the number of people they send a site in a day on my hands, and that has nothing to do with my site after all they have to click the link to even see my site. As I recall there premium memberships to AVS sites are like 40-45$ a month and that is not really something I want to promote
Are these NEW sites going to let me run Ads? Or are they cock blocking?
Thax I will check them out too, I do try new sites and directory very month or so normally with very limited success. I do see a trend with list sites the more rules they have normally the more of a waist of time it is to mess with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
I hear from a lot of twink-only webmasters that AVS is dead. Since I don't do twink and I wouldn't know... maybe they are right.
I would say Hunk sites are even more saturated that twink stuff, maybe this bear stuff just works good with AVS sites. Who know their are not really that many pay sites for that stuff. This over saturation of twink stuff have made go even younger and harder core with my new sites just to be seen. Just look at the stuff I talk about doing now, hell I strated out doing frat stuff, if you want to talk about over saturated you can not give away most frat sitesQuote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Hell thinking about the future, what sites am I going to have to make in 5 years to just be seen Eskimo Seal Fuckers or what?
None of these are AVS sites or really anything like that, they will not allow any ads, most you can not even use your own content, or point to any site off their servers for any reason, its just looks like a new/different way to run hosted gallery’s for a pay site. I kinda knew I was not that out of the loop, its ok I guess if you a really new str8 affiliate other than that I do not see any use in them at all. If I am missing something please tell me, I have more gay movies with just my AEBN feeds then they have.
What you are missing is another way to make money. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
And not all Movie AENs make you use their content. They are just paranoid about webmasters ripping DVDs that they do not have license to use.
Some will even design a tour for you, host your site, give you content and even update the site for you. All you have to do is promote your archive. But not all will do everything for you. Some will let you choose your level of involvement. Also, using Badpuppy is a good way to have more control. They essentially act as your host and CC processor. Their only limitation is "no dick" on the tour. :(
I look at it this way... I have tons of licensed content. Why not make money with it as many ways as I can?
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Well man the problem is limited traffic, if I had a endless supply of traffic ya sure promoting their hosted sites or what ever would be fine, but traffic is not unlimited. I only really care about traffic, while ya sure I could make money but I could also promote real affiliate program with the same traffic. If I can not run ads, use exit traffic, or really do much more than I could with any sites hosted galleries then I do not see this does any good at all. I have programs that I can run with sites as it is now, that will sell better and I can more money with their PPS or Rev share, and also run more than 1 program at a time to really filter the limited traffic I have much better. This just looks cool for people that can not make their own sites.
BTW I am sure these sites really suck for members with about the same hosted content in all of them
Did you read more than 2 lines of my posts? I make a very nice income from my movie archives. The designs are all mine. The content is mostly mine. And the vast majority of my traffic comes from SE traffic. I do almost nothing but purchase content and update about once per month.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
And no, they don't. They rebill very well for me... better than any other sponsor of mine. Some of these AEN's have more high-quality full-length movies than any paysite. AEBN quality is shit compared to some of these gorgeous massive DVD rips on the Movie AENs.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
OK thax I guess I will give it a try, but I am not going to really be providing traffic for them. I will provide content and help create sites for their members. But I am sure my personal designers could make a better site and other major sites would sell better.
I would say only 20% of the reason I make sites for AVS services are the sales the generate, in fact I do not really care at all about them making sales. I want traffic good clean huge amounts of traffic for my effort in making sites, and making their members happy. If not I might as well promote others better sites that will convert better, pay more, and will let me have allot more of a share in the profits today and tomorrow.
I am going to go to bed but thax Xsrt8 I will give them a try, its just traffic is limited and I do have my own members sites to promote ya know
Yes, i agree that traffic is a problem. But if you have patience and design your sites properly, the SEs will go a long way to feeding your sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Xtr8 - don't waste you time man.
You can make money with avs sytems. 90% of the old webmasters never really tried the new video stuff.
And many allow you to have an affiliate program as well.
So basically iit is your own paysite.
Max will never understand 10% of what you are saying.
And the 10% he understands he will disagree with even though your bank account shows otherwise.
Just let him do his thing.
I know, I know. I was THE original max-hater... way before you were (re)born, lol. But damn, I can't help but give him the benefit-of-a-doubt sometimes. Just ask basschick, she kept falling into his trap, too. There is always that hope at the back of my mind that I can break through the dense layers of fog that shrouds his brain. Lol.
Sorry max for the comments above. I've made a vow to myself to not rip you anymore and help when I can. I promise to be civil to you as long as the favor is returned.
Xtr8
You have given him ALMOST a business plan.
Even someone at a bank would understand and loan you money based on what you said.
Can you loan me some money? :honest:
i didn't make a vow to be civil.
i'm civil when people are civil to me. max is a real time waster and we all fall into hoping we can help him but he doesn't want help - he wants us to agree with what he's already decided. but his decisions are such that experienced webmasters just can't say 'hey, great idea' so it goes around and around.
so... when are you and dzinerbear gonna make us all a bear paysite to promote?
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In your niche, hell yes.Quote:
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I HOPE SOON!Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Hey, you guys,
Just stop responding to Max's posts, except to tell him he's a dumbass.
My new policy is to not provide useful information to him, even if I know the answer, because he will just argue with me. I'd suggest doing the same. Eventually, he'll either change or get frustrated and go away. But as long as we reinforce his poor behavior, he has no reason to stop doing it.
As for the idea of answering Max so that others who read but don't post can benefit.... well, they should start posting :) If someone else asks a question, gets the answer, and is appreciative, then they can benefit.
And we need not worry about Max getting any free advice from someone else's question, because he won't read more than the first 2 lines of any post anyway.
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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
How do we go from this civil conversation to me disagreeing with everything everyone says and always wanting to be right with out taking anyone’s advice while I slept?
BTW I just changed the NAME of my whole site off of some concern from a members of this group, if that is not taking advice I do NOT KNOW WHAT IS. But just like the previous post I made on this subject if it sounds too good to be true, or fishy in some way I will question it you are right. Their too if you are right and your advice stands up I will take it very time. Do you guys really just going around taking very ones word for everything, if so I know a really cool bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell you. :thumbsup:
really? who told you the word guys is more effective than the word twinks?
'cause it sure isn't if you're selling 18 - 21 year old boy content.
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Originally Posted by basschick
Well part of my thinking about that is that BARELY LEGAL GUYS.COM will get me out of the whole twink niche, and some of the top twink/teen boy producers in the world agreed with that “really I could not ask much more” I will add Boys, Twinks, and a few other key words in my tag tittle for the SE’s but it is just a better name flat out. The site was really getting younger and younger just to be seen so this is just a natural progression if you ask me. I would say twinks really are 20-26 and teen boys would be more like 18-21 but you just say 18-19 or 18-20. Is this wrong in your opinion? Some rather big guys did disagree with you “will PM you about it if you like” BARELY LEGAL GUYS.COM just sounds like a bigger better Teen Boy site than TWINK GUY
i do not hate m*xpower
jim
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Originally Posted by longboardjim
Thax man, I really do appreciate that its nice to get some love around here from time to time :love:
ummm...i'm not sure your going to find "love" here , so you may have to set your sights on something alittle lower like their "respect" ( a commodity that can be traded for sex and/or cash with some ) like making one of your ideas pay-off and inviting them to the press party and publicly humilating them for doubting you , i of course would never sink to such standards. ( i'd go lower :goof: )Quote:
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sincerely ~ ..."how do your plans go for world domination?"... - the belle stars
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Well that is funny man, but if I am at a press party or talking to the press about my sites I would think that would be a nightmare. You know they would not want to talk to me to say hey your doing a good job no matter how good my sites work for people. More likely they would want to crucify me for some of the themes I use. If it was Fox News I would say something like "Watch CNN" and slam the door shut, just so they could not use the tape at all
And BTW I hate the R word “respect” I do not need others R word, only people that do not R themselves use that word, just think about that the next time you hear someone say that word. As is “I just want the respect that you would give anyone else” I will try as hard as I can to give my affiliates the best sites I can to promote, and give them as much money as I possible can even to the point that I will make nothing or less for months, but as far as respect I would rather have 1$ than something as subjective as that. :3ymca:
I never said I hated him, only that he's annoying, arrogant, ignorant, and doesn't take advice offered to him.
Damn.
I am posting again.
Max,
I never told you to change to barelylegalguys.com
I just mentioned that you may find a better name than twinkguy.com
And I was basing that on twink and guy don't seem sexy when you consider guy is one and http://twinkguys.com/ is a site.
The only reason you post is for the same reason 99% of the people ask for advice in this world. they already know the answer and just want someone the re enforce it. If the first person that doesn't they will ask another until someone agrees, then they feel comfortable.
You are just an idiot and anyone (including me) who answers your post just get frustrated. Trust me last night you put me oover the edge when Xstr8 came on and praticaly gave any webmaster a way to make about 100k a year.
And to answer a question about what sells oan avses.
Ugas will easiily sell asian and latino, black is harder, andything voyeur will sell like hotcakes, anything omature hairy will sell, as will anything very niche fetish. The rest are hit and miss at best incduding str8 sites, twink, and forget anything that looks like a bunch of plugins. AVS members have seen it all. But give them something in a niche they like and they will buy both on insdie and out. And thats just ugas.
Mansites has an even different mix as it is a "free" avs.
Anyway.
you are as big an idiot as i am.
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Originally Posted by boyfunk
Well I love you man! Why do my loves always turn out like this :cry:
Its a shame too, http://twinkguys.com/ is a total waist of that good URL I wish they would sell it to me. Its too late now, my new site will be called BARELY LEGAL GUYS.COM and it will NOT be a Twink Site. It will be a Teen Boy Action site, anyway this well let me keep both sites, even though I will not be doing much with the old one now I have many more plans for newer sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy