Tips for Creating Killer Content???

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Originally Posted by Bec

I'd agree that navigation is definately up there ... I've refused to even review some sites til they fixed their navigation issues ... and I know some of you can attest to that!

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Well I just put that so far down on the list because it is a really simple thing, and to tell the truth I was more talking about a supped up one, like being able to keep your favorite videos/ images, search content stuff like that. I guess it was confusing, yet still if that is the big problem I guess I can live with that it was really to show many things are more important that just super high quality films, it is hard sometimes to put your self out their and if that is the big whacking point I guess I have to be happy with it.

My this thread seems to have gotten off track!

It started out as a topic on how to create killer content and ended up a discussion on site retention priorities.

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Originally Posted by tombarr

My this thread seems to have gotten off track!

It started out as a topic on how to create killer content and ended up a discussion on site retention priorities.

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Ummm. I was thinking that to. Not sure how it did as i didn't read the two pages of XXX/Max.

Would still love to see this topic started again w/o idiotic interruptions.

If you notice though Tom almost anything that caould be of value never goes very far in a thread.

Dicks of Hazzard is doing well. WOW!

You tried to talk abou traffic, i tried to get something going about free sites. It really seems people don't come hear to learn or contribute. Just ramble. And ramble.

At least through all the BS on gfy you can actually learn something.

This is actually one topic I was excited about because there are many aspects and viewpoints that ALL can be argued even though they are different. It's a very subjective topic.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

You should know not to trust surveys

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You should trust your numbers (conversion/retention/profit, what members tell you, and what others you trust tell you. BUT only people you trust. Many people in this industry divide by 2 or 3 what they say for numbers, but not all.

As far as navigation/site usability there MANY stats out there. How far a viewer will scroll, how many links he will visit of a page, load times, navigation. There are courses on this topic.....

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Originally Posted by maxpower

I never said that good lighting, some kind of a believable theme, editing, and good models were not very important, its just when you start to add your personally agenda, or buying into your own BS and start believing you are creating anything more that something for people to whack-off too, that I start to have a bit of a problem, but hey do what ya want. I just want to make PORN myself :wtf:

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hey Max, with all due respect, just b/cuz YOU might not think there's anything more to porn that some dude sitting in his desk chair jerking off does NOT mean that there are not very important social implications that result from watching X-rated content. As a teen, seeing two men having sex onscreen for the very first time changed my life. It gave me a context in which to place my sexuality, and I no longer felt like wanting to have sex with another guy was out of the realm of possibility. It shaped my perceptions of a community I knew nothing about. It helped me accept who I was.

Though it has been changing over recent years, for a long time the only place that gay men could see themselves reflected was in adult content. Certainly not in movies or on TV, unless they were portrayed as stereotypical pariahs. Porn gives gay men a forum in which to see other (supposedly) gay men acting out their fantasies and living openly gay lives. There is an HUGE sociological context that porn has been placed in by many psychologists. So, you might THINK that some of what I'm talking about is, as you put it, "B.S.," but I assure you, from personal experience alone, I know what I'm talking about.

You talk of how people are influenced by images, and you're right about that. Images are very powerful. So if you give people images of sexuality that are well-done, erotic and portray the subjects in a positive light, that can only lead to good things, as far as I'm concerned.

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This is actually one topic I was excited about because there are many aspects and viewpoints that ALL can be argued even though they are different. It's a very subjective topic.

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Agreed on this part. Which is why I did debate "quality content" with Max. I actually think there can be something to be learned throughout those exchanges as well. Whether or not you agree with me or Max about the tenets of "good content," being exposed to two opposing opinions is often a great way to reaffirm your OWN POV about any given topic.

XXXWriter

I read all your posts.

Interesting thread, with many aspects. If I may comment on the original question, to me it's definitely about the storyline and fantasy element. I have joined paysites before when they triggered a special something for me. I am also seeing which sites convert the best for me.

I am talking straight sites here, but I imagine the same would be true for gay sites too. It is never an issue of lighting or setting, or how pretty the models were. I have seen sites that had the technical aspects polished up to the point of perfection. Point in case, sites like Hardcore Babes or Me and My Pussy by Platinum Bucks. They have absolutely gorgeous girls, very well shot porn, in terms of lighting, setting, shooting angles, you name it. You can see the movies were shot by pros. Then take a site like NetpondCash (now Cash Uncovered) with their Dogging site. Nothing wrong with the quality of the shooting there, it's perfect for the night time dogging atmosphere they want to create, but they also have that extra angle, that fantasy edge, that story telling of something wonderful and bizzare.

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

XXXWriter

I read all your posts.

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Awwwwwww, blushing. :)

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Originally Posted by longboardjim

very true! , i have a friend that likes to read "erotic fiction" ( different holes for different poles! ) and i must admit not everything you can imagine can be achieved in photo/film.

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Oh, this is, of course, very true, but still, the tenets of good storytelling -- or even just of good adult content -- are very much the same. You still need to have a viable scenario, include good, REAL sex, and treat your audience as if they have brains.

Whereas in filmed content, lighting is key, but in written content, you can "illuminate" the action by which words you use or a simple turn of phrase. In writing, they always say, "Show, don't tell," which means that you present action instead of descriptions of the action, which is much like filmed content.

Yes, there is more freedom for the reader to use their imagination when they are dealing with stroke fiction, but in film, there is more opportunity for the FILMMAKER to use HIS/HER imagination, which is, frankly, what a lot of today's porn content is lacking. Imagination is key. If you aren't using yours, what are you offering that is different than what anybody else is offering?

Only content I've produced is written stuff. And you XXX, have more experience than me in writing and in the bedroom to add to your stories so I don't know how much of my opinion matters. But here's my .02 ^_^

I find that if you give the basic descriptions of the main characters, people can form their own sexual fantasy man from the story. Since everyone's idea is a bit different from person to person. My main way of writing is to describe several things.

Hair Color/Length
Nationality
Body Build (nothing really specific, sports refernces help)
Eye color
And height.

Cock size is always mentioned but I franky think the other things are more important to visualizing a sexy man.

A tall silken black haired hispanic with eyes so deep and black they lead you around the dance floor more than his warm firm body does.

That could be a lot of different men to some people. And its even better for those that know a real guy who looks like that and can place him into the story (if he has the hots and all). I've never liked original stories that give too many details as it takes the fun out of imagining the fantasy, cause thats what content is, its fantasy. None of it is real but it should make the viewer feel something real in their pants and minds.