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I've never understood why people cry bloody murder when information that is easily publicly available is posted on a discussion board.
True private information that comes from a privileged source is a different thing, of course, but if people are doing shady shit, they should expect that other people will make connections. It's not rocket science to make these connections.
I was quickly writing down the connections, so I wasn't as clear as I should have been. Here's the connection between Lubeyourtube, TwinkCity, 18Town, and Nubiles.net. It's not a perfect, absolute connection, but it raises questions in any case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
The whois for lubeyourtube.com says the domain is owned by APL Nevis.
The phone number listed for APL Nevis is 869-466-7365.
The whois for twinkcity.com also says it's owned by APL Nevis, with the same phone number as lubeyourtube.com.
The whois for 18town.com says it is owned by International Content, BV in the Netherlands... but the phone number is also 869-466-7365. And the contact email for 18town.com is... webmaster@nubiles.net
If you go to twinkcity.com, click "webmasters" at the bottom, it takes you to goldloot.com, which is, according to whois, owned by Promex International in New Zealand... but the contact information has the email farn_29@hotmail.com, which is the same email as lubeyourtube.com.
As for firstgaysex.net, the whois shows the owner to be UIA in Wellington, NZ, with a phone number of 815 642 9794... which if you check this link,
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a
is the same phone number as twinkcity.com (except that somebody went into WHOIS today and removed the phone number after I made the posting last night.) and, as of today, twinkcity shows that it is owned by APL Nevis.
So we have firstgaysex.net which shares a phone number with twinkcity.com, which is apparently owned by goldloot.com, which uses the same email as lubeyourtube.com, and apparently is owned by APL Nevis.
Further, the phone number listed for lubeyourtube is the same number listed by 18town.com, which lists a nubiles.net email address, and nubiles.net is, in fact, owned by International Content, BV...
So while we can't be sure, and there are other explanations possible, I am guessing two things:
1. There appear to be common connections (through the same email addresses and phone numbers) between International Content/Nubiles.net and APL Nevis/Lubeyourtube, and
2. Somebody is going to be busy changing WHOIS even more than they've already done so to try to cover up the connections. I guess people are unaware of the various sources that keep archival records of whois information.
My head started to spin, so I made this visual based on your post:Quote:
Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip
1) Same whois phone numberCode:International Content, BV UIA
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18town(1) Nubiles.net firstgaysex.net(3)
APL Nevis Promex International
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LubeYourTube(1,2) TwinkCity(3) GoldLoot(2) various paysites
2) Same whois email contact
3) Same whois phone number
I was gonna do that, so thanks for doing it, I was just too brain fried.
What we really need is some sort of fancy graphic that ties everything together, because there are actually more connections than the ones I wrote about, my head was spinning too.
I ran across some more, rather damning evidence.
Fuckthemyoung.com is owned by Promex in Wellington NZ, which also owns gaytgptrade.com, which, as Squirt points out, emptymind2 has admitted ownership of.
Fuckthemyoung.com resolves to lubeyourtube.com.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
This is true private information from a privileged source.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip
As for APL Nevis Limited, then all Adultcheck webmasters use that company name for their domain whois, along with the adultcheck phone number.
I am in no way linked to lubeyourtube, so my private information should not be used here.
Don't worry. I have access to years of backdated whois info, and here is a whois cache for twinkcity just last year:Quote:
Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip
Domain: twinkcity.com
Cache Date: 2006-09-22
Registrar: MONIKER ONLINE SERVICES, INC.
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Domain Name: TWINKCITY.COM
Registrant [6116]:
UIA International Inc
237 Middleton rd
Glenside
Wellington
6037
NZ
Administrative Contact [6116]:
Domain Administrator admin@uiaint.com
UIA International Inc
237 Middleton rd
Glenside
Wellington
6037
NZ
Phone: +1.8156429794
Fax: +1.8156429794
Billing Contact [6116]:
Domain Administrator admin@uiaint.com
UIA International Inc
237 Middleton rd
Glenside
Wellington
6037
NZ
Phone: +1.8156429794
Fax: +1.8156429794
Technical Contact [6116]:
Domain Administrator admin@uiaint.com
UIA International Inc
237 Middleton rd
Glenside
Wellington
6037
NZ
Phone: +1.8156429794
Fax: +1.8156429794
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.GAYTGP.BIZ
NS2.GAYTGP.BIZ
Record created on: 2003-11-21 14:03:00.0
Database last updated on: 2006-06-15 15:58:53.43
Domain Expires on: 2007-11-21 14:03:00.0
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Notice that last year twinkcity.com was hosted on GAYTGP.BIZ which is owned by Promex International !
However this year they've switched domain servers to ZUZIAN.NET which is ALSO owned by Promex International.
You ARE linked with lubeyourtube!Quote:
Originally Posted by darling
KMBucks is connected now with Lubeyourtube which has stolen content on it.
Some UIA International Inc. sites are being hosted on Promex International servers and you are KMBucks which is an UIA International Inc. property ;)
Why can't you guys just be honest and upfront?
We sold twinkcity.com to the lubeyourtube.com owner back in 2006
Why is this thread converging on us, when it should be about lubeyourtube?
But there are links to many UIA International Inc. sites on twinkcity.comQuote:
Originally Posted by darling
So you are in no way linked to lubeyourtube yet you have phone numbers in common, sold them a domain, and many of your sites are linked from their sites. Got it ;)
I don't know any of you guys and have no axe to grind, just be up front and honest please.
Hum
oh emptymind were are you LOL
He ran away :)
How the truly timid scurry into the night when the light of truth is cast~
Chad you always sound so sexy :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pierrefitch
You always know what to say to make me HOT
wow. a crazy thread indeed.
i noticed too that emptymind had flown the coop!
Google "APL Nevis" and it turns up they also own dac7.com
In the middle is an ad for a GoldLoot site (hard links, no affiliate codes). Plus a link to GoldLoot at the bottom. So there is another APL Nevis connection to Promex/GoldLoot.
Also a link to GayTradeNetwork at the bottom. Which if you look at that site there are all sorts of domains also connected.
Hi Guys,
This is Nubiles.net. Someone sent me this thread. We do not have any gay paysites or freesites. We are not involved in the gay business at all. Nubiles.net is a teen paysite and the members and support area is xfusionmembers.com. 18town.com is a teen paysite under the program xfusioncash.com. All of our sites are hosted on its own servers. We do not have any gay partners or investors and we do not run any tube sites. If anyone has any further questions they can email me at webmaster @ nubiles.net
btw We met you Chad at the Phoenix forum last April though I don't know if you remember us.
I feel very confident in vouching for nubiles.net. Bill is a friend of mine for many many years. He's cute as hell and I wish he were gay, but he's the straightest boy you'll ever meet. He wouldn't know anything about running a gay site if his entire life and business depended on it. In fact, I am only one of two gay people Bill actually knows and you can bet that if he were to start a gay site he'd be beating down my door for advice and traffic.
I'm not sure why things point the way they do in the previous posts regarding whois info, but you can remove nubiles.net from the equation. They aren't your man :)
[QUOTE=emptymind2;222881]Are you keeping this thread open to get another 2$ in traffic or are you also too lame to delete this post because you might offend your little "internet Buddies" ?QUOTE]
The fact of the matter is that the person who began this thread only had the ability to edit it for a few minutes. After that, he cannot edit or remove. Like it or not, that is how this board works.
Unless Lee, the owner, or a moderator is online and chooses to remove the thread it will stay no matter how rude or arrogant your rants aand raves may become.
As for Chad being a fool. You can bet your last dollar that he isn't.
It is painfully apparent that you are new to this board. Perhaps it would be better if you took this advice....God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. That reason being, it is always better to listen (in this case read) twice as much as you talk (or in this case type). The people you are chastising are well respected members of this board. You, at this point, due primarily to your name calling and language, are not.
Bill
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdkbill
Thank you Bill. You can be assured the respect is mutual.
Well we are just going by whois here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nubiles
18town.com and Nubiles.net share the same whois registrant, International Content BV.
18town.com shares the same whois phone as LubeYourTube.com.
You state that Nubiles.net is not involved in gay sites. Can you extend that to include your parent company, International Content BV, and also any other company opperated by one or more owners of International Content BV?
Thanks Bryce.
International Content BV does not own any gay sites. Bryce is the only gay webmaster I know in the adult business. We know each other from working with adult check back in the 90s and have met at Adult Check's get togethers. The phone number in our whois is from the old whois info provided from adult check that was on all our domains as most of them used to have avs sites many years ago. I was not aware that I have not updated the phone number. If you check the whois on adultcheck you will see the same phone number.
I do not know if adult check is connected to those gay sites you are accusing of stealing your videos.
BTW...I am most likely out of place in speaking about this but in our own experience with tube sites we have had problems with them stealing our videos. We are currently in talks with sites like pornotube to offer our content where the tube site gets sales for the content displayed. It is my belief that if more paysite programs start working with the tube sites and offering them promotional content it will be easier to stop the entire members area from getting uploaded. It will also start a relationship with the tube sites and once that is established I do not believe the tube sites will sell upgraded memberships of stolen content. I don't think most of the tube sites sell the upgraded memberships of stolen content.