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03-08-2008, 04:28 AM
deanb

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

I think the tone of this thread is getting a little heated. I would respectfully ask that people remain respectful of each other while discussing their concerns.

If there are disputes about past business dealings, I would respectfully ask that those issues be addressed over PM or email rather than here. Squirt has raised his concerns, others have spoken their piece, so perhaps things can be resolved offline and the resolution (if any is required) posted here.

I agree with you Chip 100%, but I think just allowing someone to keep calling someone else a scammer, when this thread is completely transparent is absurd.
03-08-2008, 04:31 AM
abostonboy

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Originally Posted by IdolKnights

yes and no (monster templates)

yes in that they have buy and go templates. No in that it's all they do.

But with the same example, they link off to other sites for your other needs. If we used your content example, one could link to maxpixels or other content site.

But I agree, there needs to be more to the business model for it to be something worth looking at. For my AND for the buyer.

Not in my future plans but fluff talk at the moment. Just to see if I should put it in my plans as something to look further into.

Gotta get some sleep. i think I just don't understand what you really are trying to sell. But I think you maybe sitting on inventory (domains/designs) until you find a buyer. That maybe something that you would have to see if it was worth the investment of time and money. Monster templates can make a decent ROI in that they sell more than one of each template and have quite a few to choose from,so somebody can usually find something they like.

But, design is the one element that can make or break a site. I have seen and marketed what i thought was the BEST designed sites, only to find that I couldn't sell them at all. Designs get tweaked all the time to make better conversions. That something you would have to keep in mind I guess.

lloyd
03-08-2008, 04:34 AM
Squirt

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Originally Posted by deanb

Why don't you tell everyone how much the design cost? You got a design from him, that is my point, selecting a bad designer isn't the designers fault, thats why they have portfolios.

Again you are saying you got ripped off, when you got the design, is it the best design? No, and I will agree with you there, with some tweaking it could maybe be decent, the header is off to a good start.

But if you don't pay designers for good work, you aren't going to get it.

EDIT: PS, I am guilty of being cheap with designers too, but again, I don't expect the kind of work from a cheap designer that I would from webinc or dickmans, or mark tiarra

You are dragging this deep down into the gutter and it has absolutely nothing to do with you. It's not your problem. It's not your experience.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll copy/paste the links I was given to his previous work by Craig, and the sob story I was given by Craig about his "friend" who needed my money and work, but at this point it's just a warning to others who might be looking for a site design or "turnkey" site by Craig aka HappySucks aka SappyHucks aka Idolnights or his friend Dru aka McNasty aka Megachops.

Nothing needs to be made more from this then it is. End of story. Just drop it. I've said my peace as has everyone else regarding this matter.
03-08-2008, 04:34 AM
abostonboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

I think the tone of this thread is getting a little heated. I would respectfully ask that people remain respectful of each other while discussing their concerns.

If there are disputes about past business dealings, I would respectfully ask that those issues be addressed over PM or email rather than here. Squirt has raised his concerns, others have spoken their piece, so perhaps things can be resolved offline and the resolution (if any is required) posted here.

Wait a minute. I am just having a conversation about what Craig is trying to do.
03-08-2008, 04:38 AM
deanb

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Originally Posted by Squirt

You are dragging this deep down into the gutter and it has absolutely nothing to do with you. It's not your problem. It's not your experience.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll copy/paste the links I was given to his previous work by Craig, and the sob story I was given by Craig about his "friend" who needed my money and work, but at this point it's just a warning to others who might be looking for a site design or "turnkey" site by Craig aka HappySucks aka SappyHucks aka Idolnights or his friend Dru aka McNasty aka Megachops.

Nothing needs to be made more from this then it is. End of story. Just drop it. I've said my peace as has everyone else regarding this matter.

Yet you still made false statements against Craig that you KNOW are not true. If you haven't done any work with him in YEARS as you state, why would you take his word on a designer, or why were you asking him about one?

If anyone has drug this thread "deep" into the gutter it is you, you have posted nothing in this thread, except to call Craig a scammer, and you KNOW he isn't one, why don't you just man up and admit that he isn't one?

I will take up for Craig, as I know what kind of person he is, and I know that you know that too, for what reason you are trying to drag his name through the gutter, I am not sure, but I will continue to defend him.
03-08-2008, 04:42 AM
Squirt

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Originally Posted by deanb

Yet you still made false statements against Craig that you KNOW are not true.

Dean,seriously, this is not your issue and has absolutely nothing to do with you. I have never posted on a board about designer fraud EVER, until now. And the one time I share the experience online to warn others I get you jumping in to create drama.

This is not your issue. This has nothing to do with you.
03-08-2008, 04:44 AM
deanb

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Originally Posted by Squirt

Dean,seriously, this is not your issue and has absolutely nothing to do with you. I have never posted on a board about designer fraud EVER, until now. And the one time I share the experience online to warn others I get you jumping in to create drama.

This is not your issue. This has nothing to do with you.

Yet you hit me up on ICQ about it. No designer committed fraud, what do you not understand about that? You got a design? Was it one that was as nice as a top designer NO, but you didn't pay top designer prices. I don't know what you see with that being fraud, or Craig being a scammer.

You basically are calling Craig a scammer because:

a) he introduced you to the designer
b) he wasn't on icq

Do you not see how that is a bit overboard?
03-08-2008, 04:49 AM
Squirt

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanb

Yet you hit me up on ICQ about it. No designer committed fraud, what do you not understand about that? You got a design? Was it one that was as nice as a top designer NO, but you didn't pay top designer prices. I don't know what you see with that being fraud, or Craig being a scammer.

You basically are calling Craig a scammer because:

a) he introduced you to the designer
b) he wasn't on icq

Do you not see how that is a bit overboard?

Dean

This is not your issue.

This has nothing to do with you.

You did not receive threats via ICQ from Craig regarding this issue. I did.

You are speaking for Craig. Curious he can't speak for himself publicly, only on ICQ.

Drop the drama. The issue is over. I've said my peace. I am telling the truth and that's all that matters. Let it go. This is not your problem. This is not your experience. Don't be a dick and keep your nose out of other peoples business.
03-08-2008, 04:52 AM
deanb

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Originally Posted by Squirt

I am telling the truth and that's all that matters.

No you're not and you know it! You know that Craig would not scam anyone, you get a shitty design back from a designer that Craig introduced you too, and you are willing to drag his name through the mud for it. Very telling.

I have a lot of respect for you Squirt, I have even defending you in the past, when I thought people were treating you unfairly, you weren't accusing me of drama then. Just quit calling Craig a scammer on every second post of yours and I will shut up.
03-08-2008, 05:03 AM
Squirt

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanb

No you're not and you know it! You know that Craig would not scam anyone, you get a shitty design back from a designer that Craig introduced you too, and you are willing to drag his name through the mud for it. Very telling.

I have a lot of respect for you Squirt, I have even defending you in the past, when I thought people were treating you unfairly, you weren't accusing me of drama then. Just quit calling Craig a scammer on every second post of yours and I will shut up.

Dean, if you did respect me you wouldn't throw me under the bus the first chance you get and the first time I have an issue with a designer and your mate Craig. I lost money with Craig, you didn't.

This is not your issue.

This has nothing to do with you.

You did not receive threats via ICQ from Craig regarding this issue. I did.

Drop the drama. The issue is over. I've said my peace. I am telling the truth and that's all that matters. Let it go. This is not your problem. This is not your experience. Don't be a dick and keep your nose out of other peoples business.
03-08-2008, 05:07 AM
deanb

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Originally Posted by Squirt

Dean, if you did respect me you wouldn't throw me under the bus the first chance you get and the first time I have an issue with a designer and your mate Craig. I lost money with Craig, you didn't.

This is not your issue.

This has nothing to do with you.

You did not receive threats via ICQ from Craig regarding this issue. I did.

Drop the drama. The issue is over. I've said my peace. I am telling the truth and that's all that matters. Let it go. This is not your problem. This is not your experience. Don't be a dick and keep your nose out of other peoples business.

I am not throwing you under the bus, I am calling you on your bullshit, and I will keep doing it until you just leave this thread or admit that you are wrong. You know Craig isn't a scammer, admit it already, or just shut up.

If anyone created drama in this thread it was you, I just happened to be the one to call you on it, if that is drama, then so be it.
03-08-2008, 05:19 AM
deanb

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Originally Posted by Squirt

your mate Craig.

Wait, wasn't it you that I met Craig through?
03-08-2008, 10:50 AM
marcjacob

Squirt: you really need to see a psychiatrist. Your going to end up very lonely if you dont get help for you sickness soon. Just a bit of friendly advise for my old pal Squirt :crazy:

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