Do Some Straight Guys Really Do Gay Porn ?

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Originally posted by Hammer I would never jack off in a room with another guy while watching a porn flick or for any other reason. I would not suck a man's cock or let one suck mine for any amount of money, not even a million dollars. Why? Because I'm straight.

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Interesting though that on June 16 in another thread you said, "All I can say is if I was gay, I'd be all over Jasun."

Funny how a man who doesn't believe there are varying degrees of sexuality can tell that another man is hot enough to shag were he so inclined.

To be honest, I think it's funny that a gay man or woman would argue this point with me. How the heck would you know? Oh, you mean because someone told you? :)

No actually, after I figured out that taking care of my cats wouldn't make my life complete, I went to school and learned a couple of things.

Sheez.

Why do you show up here about once every two weeks just to pull this shit?

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Dzinerbear

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Originally posted by Hammer
BDBionic... You're gay, right? Well you claim you are because you don't fall in love with women but have sex with them just for sport. I guess they appreciate that because you make it known in advance that you have no intention of forming a relationship with them but simply want to have casual sex. Nice.

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Exactly. They knew I'm gay. I'm out of the closet and open about my sexuality. Yet they wanted it nonetheless. Everyone was happy, fun was had by all, sexual orientations remained intact. Novel idea, no?

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Originally posted by Hammer
Definitions:

Homosexual - Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

Heterosexual - Sexually oriented to persons of the opposite sex.

I don't see anything in those definitions that allows for some sort of rule that it's ok to have sex with men as long as you don't fall in love with them and still call yourself a heterosexual. [/B]

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I also don't see anything in those definitions where sexual acts and sexual orientation are designated as one in the same.

First of all Dzinebear, I don't show up her every 2 weeks, I post here very regularly, but don't worry because this is my last post. I'm sick of posting here and trying to have spirited debates with overly sensitive people that would rather attack me than have a discussion. I didn't start this post, I was simply giving my answer to the question posed. You do realize that there was a question asked, right?

And yes Basschick, I do have strong opinions, just like you and everyone else that posts on this board. And if I don't feel strongly that I'm right, I dont' argue a point.

Have fun and I'll leave it up to Scorpio to show you the designs he's doing for me. Shhh.... don't tell him that I'm really a homophobe and just using him.

And to the comment that if I can tell the difference between a good looking guy and an ugly one I must be queer... I can tell the difference between good music and bad music and I can't sing for shit, but wouldn't I have to be a singer to know the difference?

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Originally posted by Hammer
I'm sick of posting here and trying to have spirited debates with overly sensitive people that would rather attack me than have a discussion.

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Hammer, i honestly think you need to take a chill pill dude ;)

From what i have seen in this thread all that has been attacked are your comments and ideas in the form of the 'spirited debates' you wanted have.

I can also see why some of us may be coming off a little more 'sensitive' than what they usually would but then, the whole topic in itself is one that for many gay men and women they do feel strongly about.

Think of it this way, if the shoe was on the other foot, and a gay webmaster went and posted on a primarily straight message board, do you think the topic would have ended up the same way that this one did but in reverse only with a lot more deflamatory remarks being made to that gay webmaster?

Regards,

Lee

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Originally posted by Lee
Think of it this way, if the shoe was on the other foot, and a gay webmaster went and posted on a primarily straight message board, do you think the topic would have ended up the same way that this one did but in reverse only with a lot more deflamatory remarks being made to that gay webmaster?

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Case in point, here are three quotes from the first few replies of threads about the gay market on some of the big straight boards..

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I don't mind gays but I admit I can't stand looking at it

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just can't do a gay crap... too sick for me

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all fags should be shot its sick

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Not one of those quotes comes from GFY either :eek:

Regards,

Lee

I didn't start this post, I was simply giving my answer to the question posed. You do realize that there was a question asked, right?

That's all well and good, but you also made blanket assertions that several people simply offered up dispute to.

For example, your definitions of gay/bi/straight, along with your attempting to say that your own personal experience dictates what can and can not be said about anyone else.

Spirited debates are well and good, but don't assume that because someone's disagreeing with you, it's an attack on you personally and not an argument with the points you made.

hehehe, I'm straight and I'd do Bea Arthur for $250k also. :D Then again, I would also give oral sex to a man for that same amount of money, and not feel weird about it at all. Hell, for a million bucks I'd suck 4 guys at the same time. LOL

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Originally posted by thetwink
Hell, for a million bucks I'd suck 4 guys at the same time. LOL

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can we start up a collection?

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Originally posted by Jasun
can we start up a collection?

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shit yeah. I could buy a house, have some working capital for a brick and mortar business... so, umm, just let me know when you guys raise the cash. :D

hammer, you don't state your opinion AS opinion - you state it as fact. when asked to back up that opinion with something, you state it again much more strongly. if i did this in my college or high school debate classes, i would have lost and failed. you have to have more than one thing to say in order for you are doing to be debate.

read any required textbook for human sexuality or psychology 101 and you will see a different opinion from yours - from many qualified and mostly straight professionals in these fields.

it seems to me your opinion on this subject is only based on what you want to believe. so far, you have failed to state one thing that might convince another person to consider your point of view - which is what debate is.

you seem like a pretty homophobic guy - and i can't figure out why you'd want to post on what is generally a very friendly GAY community board.

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Originally posted by Jasun
can we start up a collection?

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I'm willing to pitch in!!!!


... unless... it's the money part that you're taking volunteers for...

I to would be willing to 'pitch' in so to speak body wise for this charitable cause ;)

Regards,

Lee

that's two stunt cocks. do we have two more volunteers? i'd volunteer, but - er - i'm not really equipped for the job ;)

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Originally posted by basschick
it seems to me your opinion on this subject is only based on what you want to believe. so far, you have failed to state one thing that might convince another person to consider your point of view - which is what debate is.

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Patti, in all honesty i dont htink this is just something that applies to Hammer, generalizing a lot (i know, i know lol) many of the straight webmasters who dont actively promote the gay market think along the same lines as what has been mentioned above.

Of course thankfully a few of these webmasters are learning that this isnt always the case and they are becoming more 'accepting' on what is and isnt possible not only from the profit potential of the gay marketplace but also that whilst many of them assumed looking at 'gay' content would in fact make them gay just doesnt happen lol

Regards,

Lee

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Originally posted by basschick
that's two stunt cocks. do we have two more volunteers? i'd volunteer, but - er - i'm not really equipped for the job ;)

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Im sure we could get XXXX Press Toys to donate a strap on for the cause hon ;)

Regards,

Lee

Lee - what i said above may apply to many people, but Hammer is the only one here. he is the one that is trying to use that one opinion over and over to beat our opinions into submission.

also those straight webmasters don't come to this board and browbeat us.

lol

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Originally posted by thetwink
lol

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Oh hey nobody asked..

Can we haggle the price a little ;)

Regards,

Lee

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Originally posted by basschick
also those straight webmasters don't come to this board and browbeat us.

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OK, I lied when I said that would be my last post, because this one is.

US? Who the heck is 'us' Basschick? Are you a gay man? I guess the 'chick' part threw me off.

I work in the gay side of this business and thought it made sense to post on a gay board, but I have no desire to make everyone feel uncomfortable. However, I have no desire to change who I am either, so I'll just leave you to your little cloistered clique and move on. Go read my posts on any of the other boards and you'll realize this is who I am and has nothing to do with any of you or gays at all.

I never see any of you posting on any other boards (except for Lee) because you'd rather find a little safe haven to huddle in instead of grabbing your balls and heading out into the real world. (Yeah, I know Basschick, you don't have any balls, hence my confusion at the 'us' comment.)

Same as the conventions. I always see you in your little groups and going to your own parties instead of acting like you're part of a big group. In my experience, adult webmasters are much more tolerant than the general public.

As for the ridiculous homophobe comment... OMG you crack me up. You base your opinion of me on comments I make to stir up some discussion and obviously don't know a thing about me.

1. I work closely with the folks at Badpuppy and design and market gay pay sites that are built in association with them. Ask Lisa or Bill if they think I'm a homphobe.

2. The cohost on my radio show The Porn Professors is Tony D and he's gay. Ask him if he thinks I'm a homophobe.

3. I am a strong proponent of gay marriage and gay rights.

I like to fuck with people and push their buttons to get reactions. I don't care if I win or lose an argument as long as the people that listen to or read the discussion learn something, and apparently to your dismay, I go about bringing awareness to an issue in a different way than most. I believe that controvercy is a good thing and the best way to change people's opinions is to kick the shit out of it until someone gets it.

I dont' have a thing in the world against gays and have stated many times that I don't think of people in terms of gay or straight (or bi), black or white, pretty or ugly, skinny or fat, Christian or Jew, I think of people as people. If I dislike someone it has nothing to do with their religion, their politics, their skin color or their looks. When I post on this board or any other, I'm talking as one human to other humans. The problem with many of you is that you are so used to being persecuted by straight men that you automatically assume that when a straight man comes here and speaks his mind that he's bashing you.

The fact of the matter is that if you go back and read any of the things I've said on this board and imagine Don Ounique or AndyMike saying them, you would see the sarcasm and the humor and laugh or think. Instead, you see read them as coming from a straight homophobe and miss the whole point. I'd say the problems any of you have with my posts lie within yourselves and not me.

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Originally posted by thetwink
hehehe, I'm straight and I'd do Bea Arthur for $250k also. :D Then again, I would also give oral sex to a man for that same amount of money, and not feel weird about it at all. Hell, for a million bucks I'd suck 4 guys at the same time. LOL

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Bwah ah ah ah ah ha.

That is PRICELESS !

I'd do bukkake with 6 blokes, 2 trannies, Bea Arthur, 3 cats, 2 dogs, a donkey and a horse for a million bucks personally.

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Actaully, I post on a lot of other boards.

I stopped posting on YNOT because I got personally attacked a couple of times, once by Hammer (when I was joking about why it's better to live in Canada than America... so apparently, we're not the only ones who can't understand the humor of others.)

I also find it funny that when he gets accused of showing up for the sake of stirring up shit, he acts like a little wounded bird, but then admits to enjoying "fucking with people and pressing their buttons to get reactions".

That's pretty much the dictionary definition of "stirring shit up". Duh.

And try as I may, I could never imagine Don or Andy saying that gay people have to get dogs as a subsitute for children to make thier illegal marraiges complete.

Ok, ya know what, enough of this. It’s a stupid thing. Basschick might not be a ‘gay man’, but you know, she’s right here in the trenches with us ‘gay men’. Working her ass off, and giving advice. Not throwing it around when it fits their business model.

Darling my balls are just as big as your, and I and a few of the people here post on other boards. We may actually say something, if every time we do, we get hit with some “gay people are sick shit”. WFT I’m here to make cash money. I don’t give a fuck who the model is how big his dick is, if he fucks men, women, cats, dogs, or chickens. Really now, do we at all really give a shit? I don’t. As long as they are on my site, fuckin and sucking. I don’t give a damn if they think they are str8, or the pope of the Catholic Church. Hell, they could be Alf for all I care.

Now about that show. Granted some radio shows are worth while, but I bet Hitler thought his broadcasts where great too. Go figure….. I thank you for the gay marriage thing, it’s nice to hear. We support you straight folks to marry also. Granted some of you should not, for the sake of the world. (Looking at my step brother)

The fact of the matter is that if you where here joking, talking, and getting to know us, we might not be so defensive to you. Ya know, like you point out that Don and I do. We’re allowed to do that because where here daily, doing business, making friends, and on a good day, I might even suck a cock. However, we don’t just blow in once every so often, make a post thinking that we’re being “cute”. As for the sarcasm and the humor and laugh, again this goes back to the fact that we know these people, they are our friends. We do not do that to perfect strangers. Str8 or gay. It’s called business, if you have some advice to give someone great, we welcome it. You’re a smart person, and seem to have a good thing going. Why not drop this stupid thing and make some $? Instead of sitting here making all these reasons why you said it? You don’t agree, you made your case, people don’t agree. So be it. People like twinks, I think they suck ass. However, my feeds are now full of them. Do I made dumb posts about them for 12 hours? Nope, I sell my feeds, make my cash, and laugh all day long while I do it.

Hammer, i post atawi, gfy, avsfriendly and a large number of other boards.

i took human sexuality and several years of psychology. i based most of what i said on that and experience of people i know. it seems you aren't interested in that, or what other human beings on this thread have to say. that being the case, i'll move on.

andymike - thanks. i didn't expresss that as well as you did!

Jasun - you are SO right. don and andy never say things at other people's expense (nor do most people here) which is one of the reasons i found this board so wonderful :-)

I post on about 15 boards regularly as many of you would know.

This is one of the best in respect to open and frank discussion and being taken seriously, WHATEVER you point of view.

Having led a "colorful" life, I have seen and done way TOO much in my life, and I suppose that leads to my blaise attitude to many things, including sexuality.

I am straight, I live with my girlfriend and 2 children, but even she says to me often "I so think you must be gay".

Gay friends of mine call me often the most homosexual heterosexual they have ever met.

Does that bother me?

Not at all.

I know me and I know my sexuality.

I probably hug and kiss more men than women.

I **hate** being called homophobic as much as I **hate** being called gay-friendly.

I am just me.

I respect the right of ANYONE to do or say ANYTHING, whether I agree or not, but ONLY if THEY are prepared to respect MY right to do the same.

Don't make this your last posts or thread here Hammer, you are a big part of what makes this board what it is.

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You are so very welcome my dear. I'm all for people voicing their options, however, do not attach people that try their best, and do what they can to help others freely.

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Originally posted by basschick
andymike - thanks. i didn't expresss that as well as you did!

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Originally posted by Hammer

I like to fuck with people and push their buttons to get reactions.

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I'm curious, then, why you seem to act so surprised when you do indeed get reactions and somehow act like those reactions are uncalled for, unexpected, unwarranted or not at all what you were seeking out.

If you want to throw a little controversy out there, that's all well and good. But don't go crying like a baby when you provoke the hostile reactions you yourself attempt to claim you sought out in the first place.

And then tossing out generalizations and accusations at entire groups of people without basis or merit and acting surprised when people point out how your firmly held blanket generalizations don't apply to them. We all only post on this board. We all only talk to one another. We all only socialize and do business with one another. We all have no idea about anything at all involving straight guys. So on so forth.

Who cares if you're a homophobe or not. You just seem like a dumbass to me. That's the only conclusion I'm drawing here. We're all more than happy to interact and converse with ya and be proven otherwise, but you state yourself it's reactions you're so often after so it hardly seems unlikely people will get an unfair impression of you, if it is indeed unfair. Chill out, make for some pleasant convo, and don't go out of your way to "get those reactions" you then treat as unfairly gotten and you might actually do your business a favor.

I was actually working on sites last night... I'm soooo sorry I missed the action.:egg: