The BDSM Niche

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Originally posted by Bell
which group uses the terms Mi Lady and Mi Lord ??

eons ago I was told it was Gor... I wasn't interested
in that aspect of roleplay - so I never studied it to verify
it...

~Bell

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It is my understanding that the so-called "Olde Guard" uses those titles, but I'm not really sure because that's not an area where I've played. Maybe Don would know better than I. :goof:


Incidentally: Between the partners in any BDSM scene, the Top can be called whatever the hell He wants. ;)

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Originally posted by Tala

Incidentally: Between the partners in any BDSM scene, the Top can be called whatever the hell He wants. ;)

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no DUH !!!!

LOL....


;) ~Bell

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Originally posted by Tala
It is my understanding that the so-called "Olde Guard" uses those titles, but I'm not really sure because that's not an area where I've played. Maybe Don would know better than I. :goof:


Incidentally: Between the partners in any BDSM scene, the Top can be called whatever the hell He wants. ;)

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That's actually good to know. I thought there were 'rules' to that as well.

Gary-Alan

OK -- so what's this Gorean and Old Guarde??

Damn loats of great info in this thread thanks everyone for the info :)

Regards,

Lee

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Originally posted by Bec
OK -- so what's this Gorean and Old Guarde??

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I couldn't really give you much on the Olde Guard, since I'm not really into that particular scene and know very little about it. I don't want to assume, because it usually comes back to kick me in the kneecaps later on.

Gorean training...Okay, let's start here: Gor is a creation of the author John Norman, who has written 25 books of Gor. It is a counter-earth where slavery is completely natural and accepted. I could go into greater depth, but the novels would give a better idea.

Now, moving this into BDSM: Those who are "gorean" in the sense of their preferences are quite strict (Dom/Dommes) or are used to being held to high standards (subs). MOST of the time, (there are always exceptions to this rule), it is found in D/s relationships, i.e., a couple (or more) who are more into the Domination and submission aspects of the BDSM scene rather than the S&M part. Very often, you'll find this kind of training being used by those who are 24/7, i.e., they live together and are always aware of their specific roles, whether it be Dominant or submissive.

All Dominant Men are called "Master" and all Dominant Women are called "Mistress" by gorean trained slaves. (These are subs who submit in a deeper sense, there's much more to it than just play for them.)

There is a "side language" all their own as well, (again, not everyone uses it, though I train subs with it), that the slaves learn very quickly. Most of the language that I use is in regard to various positions I wish to see the sub assume, though occasionally I will refer to the sub in question as either "kajira" or "kajirus", ("slavegirl" and "slaveboy" respectively).

While the training is very strict, (mindfucks are fun!), safewords are always honored, (at least by Me). It's kinda hard to really explain all of this on a message board, but I hope you get the general idea. :)

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Gor is a creation of the author John Norman, who has written 25 books of Gor.

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Ohhhhhh... think I ran across a reference to this early on when doing a lot of research, haven't read any of them yet though. Does he have a website of his stories, or does he lease them to go into Gorean style bdsm sites, or ? ..????

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Originally posted by Bec
Ohhhhhh... think I ran across a reference to this early on when doing a lot of research, haven't read any of them yet though. Does he have a website of his stories, or does he lease them to go into Gorean style bdsm sites, or ? ..????

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in case you don't get the info in conversational posts...
here's tons of stuff:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...rman%22+%2BGor



especially:
http://www.dreamstrike.com/gorintro.html


and:
http://www.worldofgor.com/gor.asp

~Bell

I can NOT believe - me - a gregarious, bottomless pit for fantasy writings has totally MISSED this writer!!!!! The initial pics on some sites put me in mind of the Edgar Rice Burroughs Mars series ... but obviously, the content of Gor books is MUCH different!

... knowing me, I'd read all 25 in one sitting -- someone hold me back! LOL

Bell <------ looking for rope

to tie Bec to a chair
and put ONE book within her reach
along with fresh ice cold ice tea with no lemon...

:)

~Bell

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Originally posted by Tala
It is my understanding that the so-called "Olde Guard" uses those titles, but I'm not really sure because that's not an area where I've played. Maybe Don would know better than I. :goof:

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You know, Tala, I think you and I should host some sort of fetish/bdsm related talk show. LOL!!!

I don't think Mi Lady or Mi Lord is generally used in gay BDSM circles. We tend to stick with Master, Sir, Daddy, Dom, slave, boy, sub. You may also see Top and bottom. Top usually means the sexual position of being on top of the other, but can also imply dominance. The one being on the bottom would be referred to as the "bottom", you get the picture.

Ah, the subject of Old Guard and New Guard. I'll do my best to give you the reader's digest version. The gay leather scene as we know it started to come together in the 50's with the motorcycle clubs. Men who did not fit in with the more femme underground gay culture at that time navigated towards the tougher climate of the biker bars. As things started to progress and the roles became more defined, people broke off into leather families. There were many rules, codes, and rites of passage for anyone wanting to live the lifestyle. Generations mentored the newcommers and passed on the history and tradions. This was called the "Old Guard". When the 80's hit and the tragedy of the AIDS epidemic taking so many lives, the mentorship and traditions were broken. While there were still people who were playing, a lot of the structures fell to ruin. Then in the 90's, the internet brought fourth a whole new generation of players in the leather lifestyle. People enter the lifestyle without the traditions and rites of passage that used to be required, people claim titles for themselves without earning them, and things are a lot different now. This is called the "New Guard". Not necessarily a bad thing, all things must change. Sad to say that the ways of the Old Guard are not always possible with the state of the world today, but we are trying our best to bridge the gap between the Old Guard and the New Guard, so education and mentorship can still happen.

This is a bit of history, don't know if it would really help in building an adult site, but it's information that's good to know.

Also, a really good resource for the straight side of BDSM is a series of books written by Anne Rice. The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty, Beauty's Punishment, and Beauty's Release. I have not read them, but years ago when I worked in the phone sex industry, a lot of the operators who did BDSM fantasies read these books to get a good background on the terms and activities of the Dom/sub culture. Since you like to read, I would recommend them. They are on my "to read" list also.

I hope this has been helpful. :)

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Originally posted by Bell
Bell <------ looking for rope

to tie Bec to a chair
and put ONE book within her reach
along with fresh ice cold ice tea with no lemon...

:)

~Bell

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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! Bell, you slay me. :)

One of my lesbian friends tried to get me to read the books by Anne Rice several years ago ... looks like those just went onto the active search and read list!

Thanks for the background on the Old Guard vs New ... and I think the more anyone can learn about a life style the better for building a site that deals with it. While I can't ever profess to be any kind of expert, I think those into the niche will certainly detect a total lack of comprehension fairly quickly, so I sincerely appreciate the time and in depth replies from everyone!

i used to hear renfaire people into dom/sub say mi lord and mi lady.

there are so many different layers of corporal punishment. there are people who are only into OTK, which means Over The Knee spankings. some are into spanking paddles as well - some believe in a good old-fashioned hand spanking. a lot of the OTK people are not into any kind of whippings at all.

have you read the story of O and nine and a half weeks? straight, but i consider them both worth a read. also you can shop at http://www.shadowlane.com/ which is run by someone i used to work with at the dungeon. they are passionate about punishment :-)

it's amazing how very erotic some people can make bdsm even to people who aren't into it. also i've noticed that a large part of the scifi/fantasy readers i know are into at least light dom/sub.

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Originally posted by Ounique
You know, Tala, I think you and I should host some sort of fetish/bdsm related talk show. LOL!!!

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Don't tempt me, hon. That sort of thing would be right up my alley, especially since I'm a local Mentor. :)

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Also, a really good resource for the straight side of BDSM is a series of books written by Anne Rice. The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty, Beauty's Punishment, and Beauty's Release. I have not read them, but years ago when I worked in the phone sex industry, a lot of the operators who did BDSM fantasies read these books to get a good background on the terms and activities of the Dom/sub culture. Since you like to read, I would recommend them. They are on my "to read" list also.

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Want me to bring my set of them to Florida? I'll be delighted to share them. (oh, sooooo good...)

Actually, though, they're not exactly "straight." There's a great deal of M/M and a good F/F scene, especially in the final book. The first book is mostly straight, but in the second Anne Rice starts really playing with homosexuality. (No pun intended.)