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A quote from 8mm:
Dino Velvet: If there was no honor among perverts and pornographers, the whole fucking business would fall apart.
At this point I must wonder how many of the facts have been shredded by the webmaster rumor mill.
There's just so much stuff that doesn't fly....
Why shoot a 17yo when there are plenty of 18yo's out there who still look 16 or 17?
If he was a "franchise model" that could help take a company to the next level, why not wait a year for what would become such a long term commitment for both sides anyway?
If he really was 17 and they knew it, why allow him to take it this far now? Why not just meet whatever demands he has under the table instead of risking 10 years in prison if he goes public?
Why did Brent get investors for his own production studio if he was under exclusive contract with Cobra? Did they know beforehand of his prior commitments? Did they play a role in initiating these claims?
I think the most interesting pieces to this story are yet to come.
I seriously doubt that Cobra willingly and intentionally shot a 17 year old model. Even judging by the actions BrianBP has stated, I seriously doubt they'd be that stupid.
But I do think that Cobra probably at some point in the past two years figured out that Brent was most likely lying about his age. I mean, it was pretty widely known in SoCal what Brent's real age was, and it would be hard to claim total ignorance of the rumors that were floating around... all one has to do is look a the production dates on the videos and Brent's real birthdate, and do the math.
What most likely happened is Cobra suspected there might be a problem, but feigned ignorance, showered Brent with a lucrative deal and various other things given essentially as unspoken compensation for keeping things under wraps. But even if that *isn't* the case, Cobra was certainly aware that Brent was underage before Monday, when the ASACP was notified. There's evidence that will show this. Pacific Sun is the one that sent the faxes and withdrew the titles, not Cobra.
Indeed, when AVN reached Cobra, their official response was "Those are just allegations." Maybe they were caught off guard, but you'd think they could have been a little more thoughtful.
So, while Brent, if he did indeed provide fake IDs to Cobra, was a complete and total piece of shit that should be punished for his actions, Cobra's actions, at least as they appear so far, haven't been ideal either.
This is a very interesting topic and its sad to hear what is going on with such an established studio, it makes me wonder how this can happen.
I'm not taking sides or making any assumptions, WE don't know what really happen and the rumors are flying around and creating assumptions. Once we read the facts in AVN magazine or some publication that reports the truth then WE will know exactly what has happen. If its true the studio did film an underage actor/model then the truth will be told and I'm sure the Feds will be auditing the producers records and we will be certain to hear more about this situation. Currently you have two sides telling two different stories and WE don't know who is telling the truth or can seperate the facts from the fiction. It will be very interesting to see how this whole situation unfolds.
The best thing to do is not to spread rumors or assume the worse until it has been reported by a magazine like AVN or other magazine or newsgroup.
Absolutely. Thank you for your rational thoughts. I agree with you wholeheartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by allboysvideo
Popcorn, anyone?
*takes another handfull into mouth*
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Originally Posted by Squirt
I have been retained by the model to represent him and assist in the disclosure and removal of the illegal material from the market.
There i was thinking we used the innocent until proven guilty mindset in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDBionic
There are always 3 sides to every story, the victims, the perpetrators and the truth.
I doubt we'll ever hear all 3.
Regards,
Lee
Also, I am in Amsterdam at Webmaster Access so I have not gone online since Tuesday.
An attorney can only disclose certain facts publically--"no comment" seems to be the favorite phrase. Right now, I can only confirm the model's date of birth and that I represent him. If he decides to make any public statements those will come through my office.
I do not represent any investors or any other persons where I could have a conflict of interest--I only represent the model.
Sure would be great to know why the model can present himself for adult video work, and knowingly present an Id that may or may not have represented his real age.... but he himself knowing he was under 18 at the time, and now suddently has developed a conscience ( or a dispute generated conscience, whichever is appropriate ) and wants all his underage works removed from circulation because they are illegal because he was underage at the time?
Smells like a skunk.....but still a colossal failure of due dilligence on the part of the studio....
We don't know the facts but this sure smells like payback....
tombarr - we don't know it is "a colossal failure of due dilligence on the part of the studio". what else can a studio do after they have checked the drivers license and passport or other i.d.? what should they do if the guy looks 18, and if the i.d. looks legit? what if the model has his/her own phone so they can call direct (no parents answering or anything). and what if they have their own car?
how can you KNOW a model is 19 instead of 17? what due diligence can be carried out?
kids over 16 should be held accountable. maybe some community service or something would help - because these kids can do porn or sell adults drugs or have sex with adults after swearing they're over 18, but adults can go to jail.
From what I was told, first of all, people around Cobra already knew when these productions were going on that the ID's were fishy....they were supposedly even joking about it......Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Secondly from what i was told by an FSC board member is that it appears the model presented multiple different ID's during the series of productions... and I'm sorry, but different ID's, and not requiring a secondary backup to validate at least one of them as being the correct one, is in my mind, a collossal failure in due dilligence on the part of the studio... This was their star for these 4 videos....when you have a star like this, I am sorry, you KNOW your model....and if he did in fact submit multiple ID's to the studio then it is a HUGE mistake on the part of the studio not to investigate that further...
You are right...the model is not innocent in this...he KNEW he was underage... he KNEW what he was doing.... he was not coerced into doing the videos..... he voluntarily signed the contract with the studio....YEAH, HELL YEAH, he should be accountable....and if he intentionally submitted anything other than legitmate ID's then he is even more wrong in this...and should definately not be treated with kid gloves....
But even so, the studio had a responsibility to investigate the authenticity of the ID's if more than one were submitted. And not to have done so was very careless at the least....but more than likely a failure of dilligence.
And if, there is any truth to people out here in CA Knowing the kid was underage, and other people around the studio knowing the same, my bet is, the studio probably knew it too....or at the very least was suspicious of it...and maybe even looked the other way saying "well I have an ID that looks legit so I'm covered" (this is all conjecture).... well then the studio is very very guilty of reckless behavior.
all of this is conjecture and third party heresay at this point, and I of course am just expressing my "if this is the case" or "what if" opinion and not in any way trying to say that anything that i have heard is the honest truth, because only those actually involved really know until it comes out in the wash....
but just based upon the experience I have in the 11 videos we have produced, and marketed for other studios..... I am sorry, but this appears to have been very negligent behavior on the part of the studio, perhaps even worse, and obviously very devious and cunning on the part of the model if he submitted false ID's knowing he was only 17, and to me....
well it smells like a skunk..... and where i am from in Georgia.....if it smells like a skunk....it's either time to take a bath ... or a skunk.
:)
Basschick I must agree with your statement regarding underage talent posing as over 18 years old. In our society today many 16, 17 year olds look over 18...heck! when I was 15/16 I looked over 18 (as you can tell back then the drinking age was 18, okay am I showing my age?) and I was able to purchase liquer and gamble at the racetrack and nobody ID'd me.
Today many 17 year olds look older..some over 18 some even over 21 years old and if this "17" year old brings his ID into an adult production studio a great looking fake ID and the producer can't tell if its "fake" cause it looks real good, I believe IMHO that the "17" year old posing as an adult should be held responsible. What if the "17" old passed the "Fake" ID to a club/bar or to drink or gamble...would the establishment be held responsible? Who takes accountability for the "17" year olds action...the parents!
In my experience in dealing with guys 19 or over, many of these guys come from broken very disfunctional homes. I can't believe the stories I here from these boys...although they are legal, the way they are treated by parents. For example we have one model that works for us, he's 20 years old. He told his parents at 19 he was gay and because they are "Catholic" they through him out of the house...he ended up dropping out of school because his parents wouldn't support him, almost became homeless, had to stay with friends...he befriended and "sugar daddy" and then decided to do porn because of the money he can make, all because his parents are "Catholic". Today many parents are not taking responsiblity of there sons and daughters. I'm 38 years old...never in my right mind at the age of 18 I would ever do porn...matter of fact back in the 80's and 90's porn was for hot musclar guys like Jeff Styker...when I was 18 I waited on tables and worked in the mall and in restuarants...today it seems that its fashionable to be in porn...so again...who should be responsible?
"who should be responsible?" THAT is the question.
i think parents who throw their kids out pre-18 should be held a lot more legally responsible than they are. my son's best friend had just come out as a lesbian, but strangely it was her smoking that made her mom throw her out at 15. 15, and had always lived at home - suddenly forced to live with others or else live on the street.
some people would argue with me, but no kid who has a really happy home life makes porn movies - and if they did, no normal protected kid knows where to get phony i.d. that would pass inspection.
i was a teenage runaway, and i was lucky. but most kids on the street - or kids living in their homes unloved and treated like criminals - aren't lucky. they have to do something for money, for survival, and to feel like they have a value in the world. porn fits in there really well - you see you have a value as a sexual entity, you even get to feel your sexual power over other people. in the meantime, you make some money and the studio might even help you out.
which still makes the parents responsible, imo.
Perhaps we're an exception. but the majority of our models are good kids -- many in college, most with good parents, and we have a lower-than-average number of drug users among our mdoels (compared with the average gay youth population.)
We do have a handful of models who've been thrown out by their parents, one of whom lived in a youth shelter from 15 to 18 (and is, btw, one of the most grounded, together, sweet kids I've ever met, now in college to be a social worker) but even there, with the exception of one or two of them, they've for the most part worked hard to get themselves stabilized.
Most of our guys seem to really enjoy the visibility and notariety they get, and are genuinely really excited when their sets go up on our site or come out on one of our videos... so I think that this generation has a very, very different view of doing adult work than the previous generation. Far from something that's degrading and shameful, I really think a lot of today's kids are proud of their work, get kudos from their friends and totally are excited about the work they do.
Now none of this excuses a kid from faking his age docs, and as I said before, when the dust settles on the Cobra matter, I think that the model will end up looking like shit and probably paying in some way for his actions.
My understanding is that he's proud of his work and doesn't really want it off the market, but also realized that it would come out sooner or later that he was underage, so he chose to just come clean, realizing that there would be fallout both for him and for Cobra.
He's being smart and -- at the advice of his attorney -- keeping quiet, while Bryan is busy digging himself in deeper, posting messages at Juicygoo and elsewhere.
For my money, while Brent is a total piece of crap for lying to Cobra in the first place, at least he's trying to do the right thing now. Cobra, on the other hand, still hasn't pulling the product (it was the distributor who did that, without any contact from Cobra), nor did Cobra make any statement as to what will be done for any of its retailers or distributors.
So while the model caused the problem in the first place, Cobra hasn't done anything to support its base of retailers and distributors, or to clarify the situation.
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Originally Posted by basschick
OMG we have a lot in common.
I never did porn as a kid, ever. It never crossed my mind. I worked 3 jobs to support myself ( 2 different KFC stores and Target )
I cannot believe that there will be no consequences for this kid who willingly lied to make a buck and now, for whatever reason, is having all this material pulled.
Chad is a good guy and he's just doing what is legally right, but I hope this kid has a strong financial reminder, or other, that will teach him not to lie to get whatever he wants. My hunch is that Chad knows something important that we don't which is making him go forward with this. I'm sure that if Chad knew these guys knew at the time that this kid was underage he'd continue full force to make them pay. That's only my guess though, and if it's correct, Chad and the kid are doing the right thing. :francais:
Assuming guilt, what do you think their motive was for not handling this behind closed doors?
There's two choices. Either meet the model's demands and pull the product, or let the model go public.
Why did they allow him to go public? If he truly was underage, it'll be a slam dunk case against Cobra. There is no way out of it. There is no damage control for this one.
These guys can't be that damn stupid. Puzzling....
This is funny because Brent Carrigan looks like he could be the father of alot of "boys" on the most popular gay tgp's.
I was in college at 17 and very aware of myself and the world around me. Maybe, technically, Brent was "underage" according to the law but what about those kids on the tgp's that look about 12. What about them ? Aren't they the ones that deserve the full protection of the law and law enforcement ?
Brent is using everything he has at his disposal to further his career. Why else would he hire an attorney ?
While we "back and forth" about Brent, there's kids being used and abused, helpless and being denied a basic human right and a decent childhood. Let's focus on those children instead of these lame "policing" efforts brought about by 2257.
By going public, they ruin the models chances of getting more work plus, they also stand the chance that the model will start posting stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Right off the bat here, Cobra has a fraud and deception lawsuit on their hands, having paid a model monies *thinking* he was 18.
That isnt even taking in to account the breach of contract suit which, if the model entered in to while under the age of 18, chances are they will lose however, if it was entered in to after the model was legally 18 years of age, chances are, they'll win hands down.
Anything else the model says in the public domain, could be used as evidence in any such additional proceedings Cobra feels are warranted.
Non of that takes in to account any criminal charges that may or may not be looming on the horizon for both Cobra and the model in question.
Regards,
Lee
Not likely. Traci Lords certainly did work after she was exposed. Unfortunately, in this industry, the same one that exposes models to possible death from HIV so they can make an extra few bucks selling bareback videos, somebody will come along to make the cash from pretty much anything that cash can be made from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Good luck enforcing an unenforceable contract made with a minor .Quote:
Right off the bat here, Cobra has a fraud and deception lawsuit on their hands, having paid a model monies *thinking* he was 18.
As could anything Cobra says...Quote:
Anything else the model says in the public domain, could be used as evidence in any such additional proceedings Cobra feels are warranted.
Exactly. A studio that has inadvertently filmed and released a CP title yet knows or should have known/reasonably suspected a problem and did nothing about it is guilty of CP.Quote:
Non of that takes in to account any criminal charges that may or may not be looming on the horizon for both Cobra and the model in question.
A model that gave falsified documents when he was underage is also subject to criminal laws, but as a juvenile at the time the offense occurred, it would be handled by the juvenile court.
I'm not in any way defending or excusing the behavior of the model -- it was reprehensible, and I acknowledge that the same thing could have happened to us or any other twink studio if the model was cunning enough.
I find it interesting that when something bad happens to one of our fellow studios, many of you immediately lash at the throat and chalk off another opponent gone.
You are all just so anxious to jump to conclusions and assume that bryan, the proud owner of an extremely successful producer who has probably taken business/traffic from most of us on these boards, is a manipulative, child pornography producing sicko.
I just find it sad that instead of being concerned or even supportive for one of our own, you guys would rather make accusations and slam a friend.
I kind of agree with this statement but based on what many of us here through the grapevine about the owner of the studio plus what I have heard from some of the models and othe producers. The producer/owner is not a very kind person and I think the people on this board who is bashing the owner of the studio has first hand experience when dealing with the owner and had somekind of conflict. Although I never met the man or had any dealings I can't judge him but his reputation travels in our circle of "gay porn producers" and word travels fast.Quote:
I find it interesting that when something bad happens to one of our fellow studios, many of you immediately lash at the throat and chalk off another opponent gone.
You are all just so anxious to jump to conclusions and assume that bryan, the proud owner of an extremely successful producer who has probably taken business/traffic from most of us on these boards, is a manipulative, child pornography producing sicko.
I just find it sad that instead of being concerned or even supportive for one of our own, you guys would rather make accusations and slam a friend.
I've also heard that he films many of these boys at age 17 but doesn't pay them $$$$ until they turn 18 years old and brings in a current ID showing they are of age. So in otherwords, the filming is completed when they are 17 but not released until they are 18 years of age and he has the proper ID in hand in his records and then he states a different production date on his and there records. The footage is what they call "in the can" but not edited for a video and released until they are actually 18 and the owner has the proper ID...but again that is just rumor and hearsay and none of us really know the facts.
I've always considered Bryan a friend. He's always been extremely kind with me when I've dealt with him through video reviews and such. I'm not saying that this is all bullshit or that he's not guilty of a crime. It's very clear that none of us really know what is going on with this and we just have to wait to find out. What we should be more concerned about is how the government is going to use this incident as an excuse to start prying even further into our studios to hurt the industry even more than they've tried.
I do have a question though, even if all of this came about because the model stated he wasn't 18 until October 26th of 2004, why was "Bareboned Twinks" removed from distribution? That was produced this year so he was obviously of legal age. If Bryan was "fooled" by a model presenting a fake ID, why should he lose even more money on a video that without scrutiny was produced legally? Not trying to start a fight, was just curious.
Maybe that is one of the titles in which the DOP was not accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ethanmasters
Btw, is anyone else concerned that cobravideo.com still has these titles on their website?
Again, we don't know why? what? or when? Right now everything that is said or writtin is heresay or rumors and we don't know the facts. All we know is what the model said and what the position of the studio and both are telling different stories. To come to any conclusion and accuse the model or the producer at this point is just premature---we just don't know the whole story!
It will be interesting to read about how the government plays a role in all this and how they will handle such a situation since the government is so anti-porn right now and how this will affect other gay production studios. The question is, is the FBI involved? Or local officials looking into this claim? It will be very interesting to see how this whole thing plays out as the news/information is released to the media.
Im taking Rocky's role from Beachboi and sitting down with by bag of popcorn, Rocky can you pass me the butter? :cool:
My understanding is that the scene involving Brent was shot before 10/31/04, so Brent was under 18 at the time it was shot, making it CP. Of course, all of this is subject to documented proof provided to (someone). Guess when Chad is back from Amsterdam, there will probably be more to tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by ethanmasters
This is just the ammunition the government needs to say SEE we need 2257, even though, from what we know, the 2257 laws were followed regarding ID.Quote:
Originally Posted by allboysvideo
I hope you went to the authorities when you first heard of this stuff happening. I'd hate to think people have known about companies doing this kind of stuff and never doing anything about it. Pretty sick if it's true, pretty pathetic if it's rumors being spread to destroy someones name.Quote:
Originally Posted by allboysvideo
This kind of practice is STUPID as there are PLENTY of age guys in our industry who want to do the work, don't have to be manipulated or lied to, and are the picture of youth.
This whole situation is messed up for everyone involved AND our industry. On the Gay side of the industry we pride ourselves on keeping things neat and clean. This is definitely a dirty mark for all of us as a whole.
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Originally Posted by boyfunk
Yep. There is more to tell.
I spent 4 years as an elected prosecutor. There is dirt on me that I am not ashamed to disclose--2 months after taking office I was arrested for drunk driving [2nd offense]. I checked myself into treatment and got sober--I have been sober since February 22, 1999. I plead guilty to the charge as filed and resigned my office. I spent time in jail for my offense, paid thousands in fines and lost my drivers license for 1 year [and no work permit either]. I ran for re-election 10 days later and I won in a landslide --I won every precinct and 70% of the popular vote. The voters had faith in me. I didnt have a drivers license but I had a license to practice law. The reason I got re-elected was because I came clean, told the truth about being an alcoholic and did something about it--I got treatment and stayed sober. [and politely decline when offered a drink at EVERY convention ;-) ] I took a bad thing, I told the truth, came clean and came out ahead gaining respect for being honest. I went on to have one of the highest conviction rates of all prosecutors in my state, but I also knew that each and every conviction was done properly--I never ever prosecuted someone that I was not sure the evidence showed beyond reasonable doubt the guilt of the accused. We have all seen the lawyer TV shows where an accused takes a plea bargain for something they are not really guilty because the prosecutor is threatening a long sentence on something that is a shaky charge. I never did that. I take clients that I believe are good, honest business people. And the clients I do have will tell you that I am certainly not doing it for the money--my rates are probably the lowest in the industry. I could make more but I really enjoy my work and the people I work with. I don't take on shaky clients or shaky cases--there are plenty of other lawyers for that.
A model's age is easy to verify--just obtain a copy of the birth certificate from the county where the model was born. The production date of a video is not so cut and dried--it was mentioned in this thread that a producer could shoot a video of a 17 year old and then release it after the model turns 18. That is still CP but harder to verify. However, if the birth certificate shows a model turned 18 on January 1, 2000 and the release date of the video is September 1999 then that is pretty cut and dried that the video is CP.
Teen sites and twink sites really need to go an extra mile to verify the model's age. To do otherwise is an unnecessary risk.
I have heard rumor that my fees are being paid by a third party. That is entirely untrue. No third party is involved in any way.
More to come!
Model goes to attorney that is known to be familiar with the gay adult community to discuss ways to nullify a contract he feels is overly cumbersome, or unfair. Attorney starts asking him questions to get the back story..."what is your name?" , "how old are you?" etc....
model reports that he is 18 years old. Attorney asks him to prove it and gets an ID showing he is 18 today. Model tells story of being in adult videos for a video company, 1 or 2 years ago and signing a contract to be in those videos.... Attorney says, "wait, you said you are 18 now!" What is your actual age? Attorney makes efforts to obtain Birth Certificate from county records in place of model's birth.
Model says to Attorney he really doesn't want to get the studio in trouble, he just wants out of the contract...Attorney tells him he has to report what he knows....because legally what the model and the studio produced was CP. Convinces model that the best thing for him to do is come clean, take the punches that come with it, and then he has the best chance at moving forward and salvaging his career and reputation.
Studio doesn't want to admit publicly that it made a huge mistake in not positively IDing this model, so remains silent and turns it over to his Attorney.....while at the same time taking out some of his anger on other boards through some very interesting posts...
and the rest is history, and a big ole popcorn eating session for all of us... :)
Rocky, you want butter with your popcorn? LOL :joker:
Just my idea of how this may have come about....
Geez.
Give Chad more credit that that.
Why is everyone so bent on Brent using this as an excuse to get out of a contract that Brent admitted on another board was signed *this summer* when he was 18?
Chad is an ethical guy. I don't see him trashing a video studio as a flimsy excuse to get a model out of a contract. I think the point he was making in the first paragraph is that when you fuck up, you stand up and admit it, take your rap, and move on.
Cobra was certainly aware of the situation at
some point in advance of it being made public, yet it was Cobra's distributor, not Cobra, who initiated the recall, and the distributor's information came from a third party, not from Cobra.
Cobra has been totally silent on the issue except to say "These are just allegations." And nothing more has been forthcoming. That certainly doesn't look good.
Noone is saying Chad is not a stand up guy...i know he is. And I certainly am in no way saying Chad did this to trash the studio intentionally.. Read my comments carefully. The meaning was that the model came to the Attorney, talked about the situation, and Chad, being the dilligent Attorney asked the right questions of the model that included information about his age, and Chad would then of course in the course of obtaining more information, find out that the videos were shot before the model was 18....and as such find out that CP was produced.. He is then ethically bound to report the CP.....and the consequences that go with that both for the model and the studio are impossible to escape. Nowhere at all am i suggesting that Chad is doing anything to intentionally trash anyone. It's just the consequence of the infromation that was brought to him.... (and once again, all just conjecture on my part) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by boyfunk
most unfortunate for pacific sun entertainment. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMark
jim
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Chad Belville, Esq is a great attorney!
This gossip / rumor mill stuff is getting old real quick.
The FACTS are an under age model is on film.
With a model giving us two forms of ID, they could be fake, this could happen to anyone.
I think that having to get a birth certificate from the models county is a LOT to ask because I just checked and the only people authorized to get a birth certificate are:
The registrant or a parent or legal guardian of the registrant
A party entitled to receive the record as a result of a court order, or an attorney or a licensed adoption agency seeking the birth record in order to comply with the requirements of Section 3140 or 7603 of the Family Code
A member of a law enforcement agency or a representative of another
governmental agency, as provided by law, who is conducting official business
A child, grandparent, grandchild, sibling, spouse or domestic partner of the registrant
An attorney representing the registrant or the registrant's estate, or any person or agency empowered by statute or appointed by a court to act on behalf of the registrant or the registrant estate.
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Not only that, you have to know the models parents maiden names.
Now anyone can get a non certified copy of a birth certificate but Vital Check states that the uncertified copies cannot be used for identification purposes.
And since fake ID could be used isn't it still a risk that you're getting a birth certificate for someone else who is of age, not the actual model?
This is a difficult situation. Our government agencies are scammed for billions of dollars every year with people using fake ID's for government programs etc. If the government gets duped, then how can we really make sure we aren't getting duped?
Squirt, i love your brain. Something about rational thinking that is just uplifting to me.
The fact of the matter is, this very easily could have happened to any of us. I started off in this industry as a model, before migrating over to the production side. Models are evil little creatures full of drama and boy juice. There are definitely good ones out there, but some that will fuck you over in a heart beat if they can make a few bucks off of it.
Unfortunately, with most scenarios like this, no matter how it pans out, i fear that this is pretty much the end for Cobra Videos and Brett Carrigan regardless as far as their names, careers, etc. The entire scenario has left a retched taste on the industry, and as stated before, a huge dark mark on the gay side of the industry.
Tom and Chip and Squirt and all of you who have touted my work and ethics, thank you!
If you have been to a conference where I have been on a panel you have probably heard my code of ethics [I repeat it at every session]
Don't lie, don't cheat, and don't steal. It sounds easy but for some in this industry they just dont get it.
My work in the adult industry has been entirely by referral. I have never sponsored an event. I have never bought advertising anywhere. I don't tell people the sky is falling so they get scared into my office.
I will continue to work this way! I think there is nothing wrong with being a pornographer and that there is money to be made in this business--ethically and legally. Plus we can have fun and be ourselves doing it.
2 more days in Amsterdam!!
I like that about you. You're honest, upfront, and ethical.Quote:
Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
If people want to play the "screw anyone over to make a buck" game, I'm glad you're there to sort those folks out. It's about time there's an attorney out there for the everyday webmaster that's just trying to make a buck by following the law and providing a legal service.
Damn I should get my lazy ass out to Amsterdam! But.. unfortunately... this amateur webmaster is just to busy filming HOT Australian guys that like being in front of the camera.. oh well :high:
SquirtQuote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
One could hardly call being busy filming HOT Australian guys that like being in front of the camera........lazy! Industrious....enterprising.....salacious.. maybe..but hardly lazy. :)