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11-09-2005, 07:08 PM
DonMike

I can understand where you guys are coming from. I have a deep seeded love for offbeat, strange movies. I recently came across an independant video called "A Family Finds Entertainment" which looks like someone's drug induced nighmare put onto DVD and I love it. But my friends laugh at me and act like I'm a total freak just because I love movies like this. They all groan the second I mention a movie I like and assume they are going to hate it, even though they know nothing about it. So when I like a really good movie, people tend to discount it right off the bat. You have to just take it with a grain of salt. I have other friends who like my kinds of movies so I know what to share with whom.
11-09-2005, 07:12 PM
XXXWriterDude

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Originally Posted by SLS

Madonna started out alone and broke in a tiny apartment with a couple synthesizers and drum machines. I'll always be a fan because of what she pulled off in those first few years. I understand what you mean though if you've never been a fan of her work. Socially it starts to be like Christianity on a much smaller scale. You can't escape it, you're expected to enjoy it, and there is no arguing against it.

That's an interesting point. And it's true--you really can't argue with me about Madonna, because I will always be right. LOL! My problem with this is that it seems to be more about a certain faction of "straight-acting" gay dudes who have a problem with gay men having such intense fondness for disco divas. Inevitably the argument boils down to something like "I'm not one of those queens who obsesses over Cher, Bette Midler and Madonna." It seems more gay men have a problem with her because of what they perceive her to represent among the gay community as opposed to what she does as an artist.
11-09-2005, 07:13 PM
Jasun

As you all know, since the world revolves around me, I used to write for a Heavy Metal Magazine.

Well, I heard from one of the guys today, and among other "How are you" questions he was like "So I can't wait to ask you what you think of the new Madonna single!!"

I told him I didn't like it and that I didn't know he was gay.

:thumbsup: :jasun:
11-09-2005, 07:16 PM
XXXWriterDude

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Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike

I can understand where you guys are coming from. I have a deep seeded love for offbeat, strange movies. I recently came across an independant video called "A Family Finds Entertainment" which looks like someone's drug induced nighmare put onto DVD and I love it. But my friends laugh at me and act like I'm a total freak just because I love movies like this. They all groan the second I mention a movie I like and assume they are going to hate it, even though they know nothing about it. So when I like a really good movie, people tend to discount it right off the bat. You have to just take it with a grain of salt. I have other friends who like my kinds of movies so I know what to share with whom.

Yeah, I know what you mean. The other night, I had another friend over who is not a Madonna fan AT ALL, and I unknowingly put in the new CD and skipped to one of my favorite tracks on it. We were talking, so it took him a while to actually pay attention to the music, and then he was like, "This is good. Who is it?" I smiled, and he was like, "Oh no, it's not Madonna, is it?" I smiled even bigger. Then he went, "Well, I hate it." :)
11-09-2005, 07:19 PM
Jasun

And Ken... it really has nothing to do with how irritating Madonna fans may be.

I don't like Madonna because I dont' like the music and I think she's irritating.

It's got nothing to do with internalized homophobia and it's got nothing to do with me trying to prove that I'm "Straight acting". I know it's hard for Madonna fans to understand that not everyone likes Madonna, but I really don't like Madonna. Can't stand the music and I can't stand her voice.

Nothing to do with the gaggle of fans clamouring around her.

Really.

(and I do have a Bette Midler Record, TWO Cher records and Abba's Greatest Hits volume 2. So there.)
11-09-2005, 07:55 PM
XXXWriterDude

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Originally Posted by Jasun

And Ken... it really has nothing to do with how irritating Madonna fans may be.

I don't like Madonna because I dont' like the music and I think she's irritating.

It's got nothing to do with internalized homophobia and it's got nothing to do with me trying to prove that I'm "Straight acting". I know it's hard for Madonna fans to understand that not everyone likes Madonna, but I really don't like Madonna. Can't stand the music and I can't stand her voice.

Nothing to do with the gaggle of fans clamouring around her.

Really.

(and I do have a Bette Midler Record, TWO Cher records and Abba's Greatest Hits volume 2. So there.)

Well maybe not YOU personally, but when I talk to some gay guys about her, you can hear the resentment creeping into their voices.

By the way, she has a MUCH better voice than Cher. Ack.
11-09-2005, 08:00 PM
Jasun

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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude

By the way, she has a MUCH better voice than Cher. Ack.

Hey, I didn't say she did.. they both suck.

But whatever. It gets annoying when Madonna fans assume that the only reason people don't like Madonna is becuase of some character flaw other than good taste.
11-09-2005, 08:09 PM
XXXWriterDude

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Originally Posted by Jasun

Hey, I didn't say she did.. they both suck.

But whatever. It gets annoying when Madonna fans assume that the only reason people don't like Madonna is becuase of some character flaw other than good taste.

Um, good taste? This coming from a JUDAS PRIEST fan? ;)
11-09-2005, 08:13 PM
Jasun

yup.

:jasun:
11-09-2005, 08:25 PM
XXXWriterDude

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Originally Posted by Jasun

yup.

:jasun:

I used to date a Judas Priest and Iron Maiden fanatic, and I remember him sitting me down and making me watch these horribly violent and macabre concert videos and he would jam out like crazy to them in his truck and he would pretend to play drums on my legs while he was driving, and it was all so endearing, I didn't have the heart to tell him his taste in music sucked. LOL! But he also loved Madonna, so I tried to develop an appreciation for those bands. I think I actually came to like one of their songs, but I've since forgotten which one it was.
11-09-2005, 08:51 PM
DonMike

You're making Paul mad!!!
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11-14-2005, 10:55 AM
Paco

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Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike

I can understand where you guys are coming from. I have a deep seeded love for offbeat, strange movies. I recently came across an independant video called "A Family Finds Entertainment" which looks like someone's drug induced nighmare put onto DVD and I love it.

Woo hoo, sounds like a movie I'd really like!
Thanks Mike.

I have similar likes, being 'off the beaten track' or away-from-mainstream stuff is what I look for, first. Yah, I'll still do HollyWood(HW) movies, but that is because I enjoy eye candy, but when it comes to brain candy HW offers me very little.
11-14-2005, 05:43 PM
XXXWriterDude

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Originally Posted by Paco

Woo hoo, sounds like a movie I'd really like!
Thanks Mike.

I have similar likes, being 'off the beaten track' or away-from-mainstream stuff is what I look for, first. Yah, I'll still do HollyWood(HW) movies, but that is because I enjoy eye candy, but when it comes to brain candy HW offers me very little.

I LOVE big huge Hollywood blockbusters. LOVE THEM! That is, when they are well made. I grew up loving movies, and it was, in fact, the big Hollywood movies that made me fall in love with the movies in the first place. So I have always retained a fine appreciation for big spectacles and movies with lavish production values and budgets. At the same time, I am a huge fan of indie flicks as well. But I don't differentiate between Hollywood and indie, because to me, a good movie is a good movie, no matter how big its budget.

Crash was a "big Hollywood movie." And it's fucking brilliant. Ditto The Color Purple or Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan, or... hell, there are a LOT of great grand-scale Hollywood movies.

Personally, I get really tired of people who are down on the Hollywood system, who automatically dismiss Hollywood movies because they came out of said system. Again, good entertainment is good entertainment. ;)
11-14-2005, 05:51 PM
Jasun

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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude

I used to date a Judas Priest and Iron Maiden fanatic, and I remember him sitting me down and making me watch these horribly violent and macabre concert videos and he would jam out like crazy to them in his truck and he would pretend to play drums on my legs while he was driving, and it was all so endearing, I didn't have the heart to tell him his taste in music sucked.

OK, so you used to date a Rock Dweeb. At least he wasn't one of those irritating Dancing Madonna fans who like to Vogue on the bus.

you gotta understand that 70s hair metal like that is just fun for me.. I'm mostly into bands like Soilwork, In flames, Arch Enemy and stuff like that.

I'm gonna guess you've never heard of most of them, and that's cool.. Mainstream commercial music just bores the snot out of me. I still can't tell the difference between Madonna and Britney and X-tina and all those other pop stars. There's a place for them and I can enjoy it in the same way I enjoy a popsicle, but I don't think it's fair that you lump all metal fans in with the one dork you went out with. And neither Priest or Maiden had violent or macabre concerts.. are yuou sure you weren't dating a GWAR fan?
11-14-2005, 06:33 PM
XXXWriterDude

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Originally Posted by Jasun

OK, so you used to date a Rock Dweeb. At least he wasn't one of those irritating Dancing Madonna fans who like to Vogue on the bus.

you gotta understand that 70s hair metal like that is just fun for me.. I'm mostly into bands like Soilwork, In flames, Arch Enemy and stuff like that.

I'm gonna guess you've never heard of most of them, and that's cool.. Mainstream commercial music just bores the snot out of me. I still can't tell the difference between Madonna and Britney and X-tina and all those other pop stars. There's a place for them and I can enjoy it in the same way I enjoy a popsicle, but I don't think it's fair that you lump all metal fans in with the one dork you went out with. And neither Priest or Maiden had violent or macabre concerts.. are yuou sure you weren't dating a GWAR fan?

Where did you get that I was lumping anyone in with the guy I dated? Just b/cuz I mentioned him? I brought him up just b/cuz he had something in common with you, not for any other reason.

And yes, the concert did have EXTREMELY violent imagery. I'm positive it was a Maiden concert. The singer climbed up onto a spear and impaled himself with it. It was pretty sick. Blood and everything. Trust me, I know exactly what I'm talking about. It was Maiden.

I guess the way you view pop music is the way I view metal. It all sounds the same and it's all crap. :)

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