Are Hot Desert Knights models are getting younger (20s) and more clean cut?

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02-20-2006, 10:50 AM
basschick

you are sooooo right!

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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

If they want to expand into the Euro market, go for it, but at the very least create a new site so it's easier to sell. If you send Euro boy traffic to HDK, they'll see rough, hairy men and leave; if you send rough, hairy man traffic they'll see boys and freak.

Michael
02-20-2006, 10:58 AM
longboardjim

the best one to answer this question would be someone from HDK.

jim
02-20-2006, 05:41 PM
Xstr8guy

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Originally Posted by longboardjim

the best one to answer this question would be someone from HDK.

jim

You are so right. I'll try to contact Bill again.

Btw, let's re-focus this thread by reposting the original question. Somehow it's turned into a bear thread and that's not what this is about.

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Originally Posted by Marc

Just noticed that in some of their latest releases the guys are in their 20s and kind of college jock type buff guys.
They look more clean cut now, to me.

In their older movies the guys tended to be 40 something and rougher around the edges.

Do you think this is intentional, like that's what the market is demanding more of, or do you think thats just the models that have been coming in lately for shoots?

I'm asking because im putting together some daddy and bearish type sites but if theres way more demand for the clean cut kinds of guys then I might rethink my strategy here, lol
02-21-2006, 02:03 AM
Xstr8guy

bump for Bill
02-21-2006, 02:38 AM
hdkbill

Hi Guys,

It's Bill from HDK. Damn, I don't know where to start. First, I guess, thanks to Xst8Guy for the kind words.

When we started HDK we filmed what I liked!....Guys my age(keep in mind I'm now 57 and we started 8 years ago). My partner, John, was in his mid 30's at the time. After a year or so he wanted to try filming a "twink" film. I resisted for another year or so and finally gave in and we filmed BOYS CLUB. Well, much to my surprise, it became our biggest seller. It was obvious that there was a market for younger guys and our market wanted to see them. So, we began mixing it up, filming some films with older, more mature guys, and then filming some with younger guys and it seemed to work for us.

At some point, and I'm not sure when it happened, but it seemed that we started filming more films with younger guys and less films with older, more mature, "bear" type guys. From a financial standpoint, it worked but I do think that we started to lose some of our original customers who wanted to see more "rough around the edges" guys in the late 30's or 40's or even 50's.

We still film films that feature rougher.....older guys.....and still film fisting films such as Berlin Dungeon and Berlin Raunch that came out recently, but we haven't been filming the more bear type guys, or muscular guys.....like Steve Parker, Will West, etc.

We've been analyzing our film mix and we've decided to start getting more guys who are "rough around the edges", "bear" type, slightly older types and get back to shooting the type of films we shot originally.

We are still going to film some of the younger, twinky or Euro boys cause the market is there and we still need to pay the bills and many of our customers want to see those guys.....but in the future looks for more films featuring the other guys.

In fact, we filmed a fisting session today. One bear....very hariy all over, and one very rough looking dude. Michael and Xst8Guy, you're gonna love these guys. We also filmed two scenes yesterday with two guys...one extremely handsome latin guy and another guy in his late 30's and then a fuzzy little bear with a full beard and body hair all over and the fuzziest butt you ever saw. We filmed a fuck scene and a fisting scene, and the whole time we kept joking that Xst8Guy and Michael were gonna love this little bear. So, guys....we are thinking of you two.

Xst8Guy, so you know, you were correct, John and I did move back to the east coast. But we made the decision last December to come back to Palm Springs for 6 months of each year and become more involved with the actual filming. So, I think, you'll begin to see more of "your" type of films in the future.

The question that originally started this thread, was it intentional that HDK started filming more "jock type college" guys.....no, wasn't intentional, just kind of happened. But, there is a big market for it, more so than for bears. As for fisting films.....I love doing them and we're going to keep doing them, but frankly, regular "jock type college" guy films will outsell fisting films or bear films by 3 to 1.

Next week, we start running an ad in the Palm Springs Gay rags advertising for "daddies", "bears", "muscle guys" and "leather guys". The ad was placed a week ago, so you can expect to see more of those kind of guys coming soon at www.GayAdultPhotos.com and in our films at HDK.

Thanks for the opportunity to provide an explanation of where we've been and where we're going.

Bill
02-21-2006, 02:45 AM
hdkbill

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Originally Posted by basschick

it's a lot easier to find younger athletic models. that could be a factor. also they might want to cross some niche lines and sell to more markets. maybe they have a new director who likes a different type of guy.

Basschick,

You are absolutely correct. Younger models are everywhere. I bet I have applications for 600 right now. Older guys...bears....damn hard to find! And, exactly what is a "bear"....seems that everyone has their own definitions. To me, a "bear" is a fit, muscular hairy guy, whether he be 30 or 60. To others, it big ol, fat guys with hair....as they say; "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

Bill
02-21-2006, 02:46 AM
Xstr8guy

Wonderful! That's great news Bill! I can't wait to get a look at the new batch of daddy superstars you have in store for us. And I'm flattered that Michael and I are in your thoughts when you are filming.
02-21-2006, 02:50 AM
maxpower

Well I don’t know about Xstr8 but I pay for your feeds and would love to have as many young guys as possible. Its allot harder for me to market old guys, and to tell the truth would love a totally twink feed from you, or maybe even a father/son or what ever you want to call it, I need more really hard-core stuff. Your Fratmen feed is my favorite now that you have, hope you will keep working in that direction. :kelly:
02-21-2006, 02:51 AM
Xstr8guy

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Originally Posted by hdkbill

And, exactly what is a "bear"....seems that everyone has their own definitions. To me, a "bear" is a fit, muscular hairy guy, whether he be 30 or 60.

That's my definition too. But I'm continually told I am wrong, lol. So I've gotten used to using the terms "hairy daddy" and "muscle bear" instead.
02-21-2006, 02:52 AM
hdkbill

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Originally Posted by Gay Porn Corner

Oh I didn't say stale. But isn't variety the spice of life. It's nice when a studio changes around their models base once in a while is what I meant. I mean come on you wouldn't want to put in a DVD and sit there and just say, ok seen it before. Anyway you look at it, Youth Does Sell, and you have to supply the buyers market.

Marc

Michael and Marc both make excellent points. We've toyed with the idea of separating our site....one for the younger guys and one for the older guys...but I just haven't figured out how to do it. We've been fairly successful, at least from an economic point, with our site, and breaking it up frankly scares the hell out of me. What we've tried to do is to feature both looks on the site right on the entrance page with rotating pictures, http://www.hotdesertknights.com with both looks. Tt seems to be working judging by our membership numbers and retention....so who knows...I guess at this point I think that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Bill
02-21-2006, 02:53 AM
Marc

hdkbill thanks for that awesome post. Its helped me a lot in some of my own decisions.
Some of your videos are my favorites and I hope you guys kick ass this year.
02-21-2006, 02:57 AM
Xstr8guy

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Your Fratmen feed is my favorite now that you have, hope you will keep working in that direction. :kelly:

Fratmen is not a product of HDK. The feeds are from Pistol Media and they license the content from HDK, Fratmen and Raging Stallion.
02-21-2006, 02:59 AM
maxpower

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

Fratmen is not a product of HDK. The feeds are from Pistol Media and the license the content from HDK, Fratmen and Raging Stallion.

Well I don’t know about all of that all I did know was it all came in the same package, but thax for the info. I really don’t know to much about all this studio thing.
02-21-2006, 03:02 AM
hdkbill

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Originally Posted by tombarr

I think that it's possible that HDK has started shifting to shooting out of California and the USA because of the issue they have been going through concernng the tax status treatment of models they were using in California. A decision made against them made it very clear that models could not be 1099'd as contractors, but had to be treated as employees, and thus, all the associated paperwork, taxation, and additional contractural obligations it placed on HDK made it more attractive to outsource to other states, and countries.

Tom,

You sort of hit the nail on the head and it's something we've been going through for about two years now and has taken much of out time and a ton or money in legal fees. It has been resolved with us pretty much losing the battle with the California EDD, but at the same time, and I'm sort or surprised that no one has menioned this, but our original California based company, HOT DESERT KNIGHTS PRODUCTIONS, INC., no longer exists. We are now incorporated in Nevada and Delaware, with offices in both states and NONE in California, and our new name, that we now produce under, is HOT DESERT KNIGHTS, INC.

Since we are no longer a California Corporation we no longer fall under California EDD regs.

Bill
02-21-2006, 03:02 AM
basschick

hdkbill - thanks for satisfying our rampant curiosity. it's good to hear you're going back to your roots, 'cause i think you really know your stuff and there just isn't enough "rough men" stuff out there :)

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