What Is The Most Damaging Thing In The Industry To Date?

Max,

I know I am on your ignore list.

But please tell us how do you make sales w/o giving surfers free content.

I know you use stolen content. Or have in the past.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

abostonboy - you're buying into max's stuff again. remember what chip says to say to him instead of getting yourself all tense:

"max, you're a dumbass".

max isn't stupid but he says a lot of things that are. why does someone do this? there are SO many possible reasons, but the chances are we will never know what they are. why raise your blood pressure?

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

Max,

I know I am on your ignore list.

But please tell us how do you make sales w/o giving surfers free content.

I know you use stolen content. Or have in the past.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

Free porn sells memberships, quality content retains.

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I know...

Thx BassChick.

Just needed to get the point that our whole model is based on free porn.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Some of you guys are ridiculously out of touch with viewers, and others are more interested in bragging about the “quality” of their work as if we all just got our content from them the problem would be solved. If you are not willing to talk to viewers about this and see what they are really saying then your just blowing hot air. The FACT is that most viewers do not feel they need to pay for anything anymore, and I will say it again for the hard headed.

Everyone knows they can get better content if they pay for it, but they DO NOT NEED IT TO GET OFF. I will say it again because I am sure you still do not understand, most of your viewers do not need all these super high quality images/vides to jerk-off, people are not just offer 20-30 images from a set for free they are getting the whole sets. They can find more images and 1-2 minute videos that will get them off for free that in about any members site in the world. Try asking some of them, instead of just making up allot of self-indulgent stuff.

Really right now my sales are good, and my retention is good as well I am expanding my program to include new sites every 3-4 months, but their is a BIG Pink Elephant in the room that most of you do not want to see for one reason or another.

I really do not think I or really anyone but the Gov. and maybe the studios could start to change the trends, but even the studios are losing control now and will be much more marginalized in the future because of some really shot-sightedness. Some of you are fond of talking about the supply and demand permissible, but if their is a HUGE and ever increasing free supply how much do you then think demand for paid content will become? OMG

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OK I accept too much free content.

So what do you see as the solution?

Plus what do you do to get traffic to your sites?

Take out ALL the free content, that includes your tours, everything below the waist is forbidden until someone has paid. Do you think that's the solution?

I got news for you mate, we used to jerk off to girls in bras when I was a kid. It's all relative. So you think your target market is a guy who can get off on 20 small images and a 20 second video clip and will spend 20 minutes looking for the right one. Fine, my target market are the guys spending money.

If you're saying that after a guy has been a member of your site or sites like yours he's going to the free porn area to jerk off then where does the fault lie?

If you think removing free porn is going to make you rich, think again. If you're saying remove some of the free porn, then I think what you're really saying is remove other peoples free porn. How about you start the trend and remove all your free porn first. :develish:

Well what I would suggest is what works for me, lower quality free content and soft-core/preview galleries that entice viewers but dose not give them everything. Personally I like PG content and I think a bit of mystery is hot as long as people know if they join they will see it all. Now I am a realest I know that most people will never do this voluntarily, but if the studios or maybe even the Gov would back it, it could work. If you think low quality images, soft-core videos, and true preview images do not work then all I can assume is you have never tried.

To tell the truth I degrade my images for use in free/avs sites, if the only thing you can think of is to give viewers higher and higher quality content and more and more of it to survive then we are all domed. Where does this stop?

paul, this is a GREAT post. can you please post it on each board as another guy decides free porn is THE big evil in our industry?

i had a paysite in 1996 and it had a whopping 125 pics inside that i bought the actual slides of. i was SO happy when we discovered licensed content after paying $50 per pic :D and times have changed, as times do. it's easy to say "free porn is the problem" instead of evolving and adapting. EVERY business changes, all the time. the secret is to be flexible enough to change with it.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

OK I accept too much free content.

So what do you see as the solution?

Plus what do you do to get traffic to your sites?

Take out ALL the free content, that includes your tours, everything below the waist is forbidden until someone has paid. Do you think that's the solution?

I got news for you mate, we used to jerk off to girls in bras when I was a kid. It's all relative. So you think your target market is a guy who can get off on 20 small images and a 20 second video clip and will spend 20 minutes looking for the right one. Fine, my target market are the guys spending money.

If you're saying that after a guy has been a member of your site or sites like yours he's going to the free porn area to jerk off then where does the fault lie?

If you think removing free porn is going to make you rich, think again. If you're saying remove some of the free porn, then I think what you're really saying is remove other peoples free porn. How about you start the trend and remove all your free porn first. :develish:

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And what sites are you looking at that have 20 images or 20 second videos, not gay sites man. Come on most image sites have 50-80 high quality images “basically the whole set”, and most videos are 1-2 minutes and they provide 8-10 of them on ever page. What do you suggests to do next? Hell lets give them 5 minute videos, and 3 full set of pics per free site :goof:

movie galleries have 1 minute or 20 pics. in fact, some mgp's don't allow more than a certain amount of video time per page and most tgps don't allow more than 25 pics. also i VERY rarely - make that never - have seen 720x480 videos streaming at 1500k on a movie gallery or anywhere outside a paysite member area. also seen a lot of paysites with 200-300mb mpgs. you see a lot of those on galleries - probably not since no mgp would link to a gallery with movies that big.

and i've seen plenty of free sites with 50-60 pics but never in the full quality unless the paysite they're promoting has crappy full quality pics. generally the free site pics are between 40 and 65k each.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

And what sites are you looking at that have 20 images or 20 second videos, not gay sites man. Come on most image sites have 50-80 high quality images “basically the whole set”, and most videos are 1-2 minutes and they provide 8-10 of them on ever page. What do you suggests to do next? Hell lets give them 5 minute videos, and 3 full set of pics per free site :goof:

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Originally Posted by basschick

movie galleries have 1 minute or 20 pics. in fact, some mgp's don't allow more than a certain amount of video time per page and most tgps don't allow more than 25 pics. also i VERY rarely - make that never - have seen 720x480 videos streaming at 1500k on a movie gallery or anywhere outside a paysite member area. also seen a lot of paysites with 200-300mb mpgs. you see a lot of those on galleries - probably not since no mgp would link to a gallery with movies that big.

and i've seen plenty of free sites with 50-60 pics but never in the full quality unless the paysite they're promoting has crappy full quality pics. generally the free site pics are between 40 and 65k each.

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Well I do except that I know its true, and I know they are not getting the highest quality of videos for the most part now, “really not sure about a certain time allowed other than I know some make sure the vids are 1mb at the smallest” but I really think we are in a arms race or a pissing content which ever you prefer with all this. I can not see any end to it if the only idea anyone has it to just keep providing more and more free content and offering better and better stuff. I do remember when we had 20 second videos now they are 60-90 seconds hell allot of the clips in my members site are 2-3 minuets that I am uploading now, granted they are in a verity of sizes, but still. For me a perfect feeder site is one that makes your members site look good, in fact would love to make PG feeder sites that feed to a really hard-core members site. I think if things where really set-up like this we would all make more money, I know some people think they can not work with soft-core stuff but I really think you can do allot more than most think I guess with this. I know its not very popular with some with out any imagination but the best thing for all of us would be a law against unpassword protected XXX content of any kind. Only PG R and X “soft-core” stuff. Hell I could make non nude feeder sites all day long that would still be hot, of all people you shoud see how that would work

Again I know its not popular but I do think we need some limits on all this before it really get out of hand, and that really only the Gov can save us from ourselves. :max:

oh, bullshit.

we're doing fine, and maturing as an industry pretty normally, just like many other industries.

maybe ultimately very few people will convert at 1:80 anymore, but maybe they're not supposed to. why are so many people so sure it's supposed to be so easy? maybe it's just the way it's supposed to be.

the smart, the experienced and the ones with good planning behind them are the ones that will thrive. and that's normal whether you are a lawyer, own a small grocery store, cut lawns, type up medical reports or are a webmaster.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Again I know its not popular but I do think we need some limits on all this before it really get out of hand, and that really only the Gov can save us from ourselves. :max:

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

OK I accept too much free content.

So what do you see as the solution?

Plus what do you do to get traffic to your sites?

Take out ALL the free content, that includes your tours, everything below the waist is forbidden until someone has paid. Do you think that's the solution?

I got news for you mate, we used to jerk off to girls in bras when I was a kid. It's all relative. So you think your target market is a guy who can get off on 20 small images and a 20 second video clip and will spend 20 minutes looking for the right one. Fine, my target market are the guys spending money.

If you're saying that after a guy has been a member of your site or sites like yours he's going to the free porn area to jerk off then where does the fault lie?

If you think removing free porn is going to make you rich, think again. If you're saying remove some of the free porn, then I think what you're really saying is remove other peoples free porn. How about you start the trend and remove all your free porn first. :develish:

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Paul,

This really is a great post. A really, really, good post.

And IF webmasters are as smart as Max and can generate sales without free porn then they shoul start the trend or removing their own and share how they do it without giving away free porn.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Again I know its not popular but I do think we need some limits on all this before it really get out of hand, and that really only the Gov can save us from ourselves. :max:

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Only the Gov can save us from ourselves? What country are you living in? The same one I am that has North Korea testing long range nuclear missiles at us on the 4th of July?

If Bush had his was you couldn't have anal sex.

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Originally Posted by basschick

paul, this is a GREAT post. can you please post it on each board as another guy decides free porn is THE big evil in our industry?

i had a paysite in 1996 and it had a whopping 125 pics inside that i bought the actual slides of. i was SO happy when we discovered licensed content after paying $50 per pic :D and times have changed, as times do. it's easy to say "free porn is the problem" instead of evolving and adapting. EVERY business changes, all the time. the secret is to be flexible enough to change with it.

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Thanks Basschick and abostonboy for the compliment. But to me it's all common sense and a belief in "Those who think they are beaten usually lose"

I use to be a sales manager and one salesman would come back and tell me no one is buying and the other would come back with a fist full of orders.

If Bush had his way you would be sending him half your income. Never think this guy is a moralist, he's in it for the money pure and simple. The liberals will not vote for him so who does he appeal to? His wish is power and wealth and probably not in that order.

What you are calling "free porn" is actually giving important information to the customer so they will buy. Any time you buy anything, you get information about it - what the product is, the price, etc. If you went to a music store wanting to buy something, you might go and look at four or five different CDs before making your ultimate selection.

You might first listen to some songs. (which on this thread would be deemed free listening *gasp*)

An interesting thing about selling porn is the kinds of information consumers want before purchasing. I remember back in the 1980s, if I wanted to see a porn movie, I'd have to trudge to my skanky arcade store, look at the videos on the wall, and make my entire selection pretty much based on the boxcover.

So actually all the producers had to do was grind out a movie and make a pretty boxcover - and they had their sales. In fact, Vivid Video did this for a long time, getting a lot of my college money.

Porn consumers today are so much better off. They can get on the internet, and in many cases avail themselves of lots of images and clips of the products before buying.

If you think you have to give away the store in order to sell something, then reassess the information you are giving the customer for their buying decision.

I sell movies and website memberships on my website all day long, and in all those cases I might have just four or five smallish jpg photos from the movie. And in almost all cases I don't use free filmclips.

Think different.

Steve