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Originally Posted by Rainbo1956
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Phew!
Well there goes another good punch line k-lined.
LOL...I just had deja vu
I think that comes from you respecting Hammer, and being in business with him. Whenever I challenge Hammer you get upset and stick up for him. Or maybe it's because I'm Gay and have straight business partners on some projects and a straight cameraman, but don't work with Hammer. Maybe it's because of this thread where you were offended by that Gay guys Gayowned.com site idea. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame0120
Part of my difficulty with Hammer is that the Gay webmaster community has to deal with his handiwork in threads like this.
I agree with what another webmaster here said regarding Hammers business "If i could make $3,000 a pop and be comfortable with myself selling paysites that i only paid $300 would i do it? Hell yes, the problem is, i wouldnt feel comfortable doing that as it is against my business ethnics."
I'm not responding to the other comments you made in the last post because you're throwing out innuendo and wont give links so it's pointless.
We're both people that say what we feel and stand up for what we believe in, like a lot of others on this board, which is more then most people do. People rub each other the wrong way, that's life. You get over it or harbor your negativity, that's on you.
I think that comes from you respecting Hammer, and being in business with him.
Personally I respect whomever I hire that follows through with a contract to the letter, as Hammer did. Too bad I can't say the same about some other vendors I've dealt with this past year.
That being said, I have no idea why you have brought up Hammer's name, other than your deep seeded dislike for him - but since you did I will comment. I bought a site and he supplied everything that was in the contract.
When I needed changes, they got done. When I took over the site to run, all the paperwork, passwords, content licenses, transfers.. everything was handed over to me. No buyer's remorse, just a smart gal, with a smarter partner, who learned how to do their own work.
Would I buy another turnkey site, nahh. Not from anyone. That was more than 7 months ago, and we know how to do it ourselves now, thank you. I may not be skilled enough to design a site that wins awards, but we learning every day and I'm pleased with our progress.
Here you were offended by that Gay guys Gayowned.com site idea. Who knows.
Yes I was! And it turned into quite the thread. Lots of lively discourse in that one. Was that the thread that got you banned?
I agree with what another webmaster here said regarding Hammers business "If i could make $3,000 a pop and be comfortable with myself selling paysites that i only paid $300 would i do it? Hell yes, the problem is, i wouldnt feel comfortable doing that as it is against my business ethnics."
Yadda yadda .. so the man knows how to market and sell. Bravo! Everyday I am generally pissed off at what I pay for every fucking thing on earth, but that's the price.. if I don't like it.. I go somewhere else, or I don’t buy it. Then there are times, I don't care that I am paying more, when the customer service is excellent, and my sales person willing to go the extra mile. LOL! I will change where I shop for clothing, just to keep a good sales person in my circle.
I'm not responding to the other comments you made in the last post because you're throwing out innuendo and wont give links so it's pointless.
Innuendo? LOL! Why would I feel the need to post links from other boards? I don't feel compelled to "backup" my posts when I am speaking on how I feel or felt, or what's on my mind. That's a bit too High Schoolish for this ole gal.
We're both people that say what we feel and stand up for what we believe in, like a lot of others on this board, which is more then most people do. People rub each other the wrong way, that's life. You get over it or harbor your negativity, that's on you
Just to be clear Squirt - since you have it in your mind that you annoy me because of Hammer - Oh and by the way that has been a source of some small amusement these past months to both roy and I. The kind of loyalty you seem to think I have for a vendor would never be earned just because he did his job. Might get him another sale though.
I can, however, pin point the moment I put you on my list of ppl that talk through their..
hats.
It was a discussion about a young girl who was refused the use of a bathroom at Old Navy. Yup, that’s the whole enchilada. All this time you were thinking I am abrasive towards you because of a vendor I used and still respect - but the long and short of it all is, he has nothing to do with my unimportant opinions of you, but your continual bashing of him does reinforce them.
So what's next Squirt? How bout we take a break, pick some new Topic to run into the ground .. and we'll have some fun. You know dear, I don't have to like you, to spar with you. I hope you feel the same.
Best Wishes,
Madame
I don't post on this board much, or any boards really. But I had to let the gay webmaster community know that I am straight.
Murderous
[QUOTE=Optional]
And this sort of thread IS a great idea imho.. "we" are not always sure how we will be taken on gay boards! I love Shelmal.. but just do not feel right posting there for some reason.. maybe it's even a bit like what Madame and Squirt are pissing about come to think. Like a feeling of being an outside parasite.
Hmmm that's not a bad question to ask for the lurkers passing this thread...
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Ok here I am minding my own business reading this thread and all of a sudden im in the middle of it.
Ok optional I love ya too but what are you talking about? My board is too gay? I go out of my way to be welcoming to the str8 webmasters as I know Lee does here. In fact I read 2 other gay boards and they also are welcoming( is that a word?) to the str8 guys. What about my board makes you feel like a parasite? Because I like to post things about gay civil rights? That makes you feel left out? I have to admit my board has many more lurkers then posters. Im always amazedto see how many people are reading some days and not posting so perhaps others feel the same way.
I think there are a few who resent str8 webmasters doing gay sites but I dont think there are many. I think some of us do resent the ones who do it and then say they hate gays. I actually just had a post about that on my board. I admit it bugs me if a straight guy makes money off of gay men then on the boards talks about how hes "sickened" by the pictures he has to look at. I know one str8 webmaster who runs a big gay site who got into a fight with a gay webmaster on a board and called him a fruit and a bunch of other names. Now that I resent. However personally I have no problem with str8 webmasters doing gay as long as they are not homophobes.Quote:
Do many gay webmasters feel resentful about straight people targetting the market? Do many gay webmasters feel resentful about straight people targetting the market?
If so, how much of that is based on the webmaster being str8? (as opposed to them just being an ignorant/obnoxious person generally)
Wow I think thats my longest post in monmths..lol
Heh heh, you know me too well. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Ahem sorry to say we ALL know you too well..lol :goseek:Quote:
Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike
You got the wrong end of that stick Shelmal!! My point was that there IS a gay board I already WANT to post on and don't. You don't do anything bad or "wrong" imho!! Why wouldn't I be for gay civil rights???? Not sure where that came from. :boo:Quote:
Originally Posted by shelmal
But you seem to want an example.. so how would an uncertain str8 WM take this whiney little bitch thread do you think? Homophobes making gay money...
the point is valid and if your board is all Gay readers the context is fine too. But bitching str8 webmasters don't post, when we are OBVIOUSLY not considered as even reading many posts is just wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
So as not be totally negative... What I wanted to do when you first showed me your board was use it to host a Submission Questions thread for people declined from 1 Gay Porn.. I still want to do that it in fact.. and the only reason I haven't is it felt like I had "No Right". Not because of anything You do or don't do... becasue it didn't feel like the right thing to do.
perhaps you are a gay webmaster if you promote gay sites, rather than if you are gay. i mean, i know guys who tell me they are "teen webmasters" and they are 40 - they're talking about their content.
just a thought...
I think that comes to the core if this issue. Talking about Gay civil rights on another board got me banned. No insulting anyone, no cussing, no personal attacks. This is the thread. A very interesting read that shows the ignorance, and blatent disrespect, that a lot of people have towards us and our community.Quote:
What about my board makes you feel like a parasite? Because I like to post things about gay civil rights? That makes you feel left out?
That being said, I think the focus here is on what makes us different. We are all more alike then we are different. Sure there are a few variations of color, size and sexuality but every human being on earth has over 99% the same genetic makeup.. yet less then 1% of who we are causes us all so much pain.
I think if the 80% of the worlds population that is straight would focus less on how Gay people are different, and more on how we're the same, maybe we'd be "allowed" the joy of marriage, raising a family and being accepted instead of the current state of affairs.
People that come to this site want to learn about Gay porn sites, improve business to make money, and hopefully be a part of a community. Whatever your sexuality, if that's what you're here to do, you are welcome. It takes time out of my day to make posts here, give and receive input, and it pisses me off when people lurk and don't contribute. Thanks to you guys that have posted, and those that haven't, please contribute to this community.
DUH@me! I just realised Gay Civil Rights is really just codewords for Gay Marriage..Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Such a shame extremists on both sides of that argument have allowed it to escalate to the point it is used to turn normally tolerate people into gay haters :(
Those threads definitely don't turn me off Shelmal... I don't read them as I find them more frustrating to watch than even pre-election Kerry/Bush threads on Oprano!! They seem so pointless when half the people are passionate based on their beleif in the bible, the other half is just as passionate, and argues based on a belief in the constitution.. and nether side wants grant an inch of tolerance to the other. :rolleyes:
People who argue against the rights of others based on the bible don't deserve tolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optional
But whatever, getting back to one of the many points here, I think it's entirely possible to be gay and promote straight sites, and the other way around.. if you care about your product, it will be good, if you don't, it will suck.
fair enough?
Nah Civil Rights isn't a codeword for Gay marriage. Gay marriage is just an example. Take a moment to think about it from a Gay persons perspective... I can't fight for my country because I'm Gay, I can legally be refused treatment from nursing staff because I'm Gay, The way I have sex is illegal in many states, I can't adopt children, I can't marry, I have no tax benefits for being in a committed relationship, no medical benefits, the list goes on. If I don’t do with my dick what you do, I’m punished. You see a trend here? Bible thumpers are not suffering because of the way things are, we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optional
I've never heard of someone being fired because of their religion, or refused medical treatement. I've never heard the government say "don't ask don't tell" about religion. People of all religions are allowed to adopt, recieve medical benefits, marry, have sex legally, etc. etc. etc.
Civil rights means that Gays, blacks, handicaps, heterosexuals, we ALL have EQUAL rights for the pursuit of happiness in this country NOT just heterosexual white men.
This is part of the core problem that a lot of straight people just don't get. We want to be treated like anyone else. Not special, not different, the same.
A good point however, would you not also agree that quite often, those right-wing groups who are publicly rallying for support of 'gay causes' are also doing some damage in the long term too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Specifically, the gay marriage issue, we have seen how one approach at tackling this issue has taken its course, do you think that perhaps, if the right-wing, pro-gay groups had handled themselves better we may have had an 'actual' victory on the issue?
One thing we all need to remember to is often, not all the time, but often, those demanding equality, often put a lot of the barriers up themselves because they quite simply dont look towards the long-term effects in their methodology.
Whilst i cant and dont speak for everyone, a peice of paper telling me that i am legally 'married' isnt going to have any bearing on how i feel towards that person, ill feel the same way after getting that peice of paper as i will before it, im not concerned that i dont get tax breaks, if that is someones ony argument as to why gay marriage should or shouldnt be legalized then they are debating the issue for the wrong reasons, in my eyes.
But back to the main topic at hand, who else is straight on the GWW community?
Regards,
Lee